Micro 867: Pick your Partner - Game Over

[TTTT]

And yes. If you claim mason you 100% get forced into outing your partner here. Because they're probably going to be found pretty quickly based on associations anyway.

I'm not sure I understand
why does the likelihood of associations outing a partner require both masons claim?
and why the assumption that mason associations are that obvious?

[Jingle]

Jingle
what's this about?

I was under the mistaken belief that the 17 hour thing was an actual deadline and any lynch>good lynch.

And, y'know, I'm not particularly opposed to lynching Yahmose.

[Jingle]

why does the likelihood of associations outing a partner require both masons claim?
and why the assumption that mason associations are that obvious?

If scummy player claims mason, that player then has to claim mason buddy. If they fail to produce mason buddy, then I press x to doubt and lynch anyway.

If scummy player claims mason buddy and mason buddy says, "Nah man, that guy full of the shits." I Press X to Doubt and lynch anyway.

If the scummy player claims mason buddy and mason buddy says, "Oh shit yeah, I'm terrible at this game and we're totally masons" then someone else goes, nuh the fuck uh, we have a town autowin. (Or at least a guaranteed scum lynch if the CC partner says "Nah man, that guy full of the shits.")

If a mason outs by themselves, scum knows the other mason is in a pool of 5 peeps. That pool of five peeps also has varying degrees of mason likelihood. That pool of 5 peeps presumably also contains people who pushed the original mason to the point of needing to claim. Odds are, if the scum team doesn't immediately know who the 2nd mason is, they can guess on N3. And the masons are p much useless, even if the living mason CAN confirm their mason status through the arcane method of obscure reference sharing. So having a single mason out is dumb, because its a netgain for scum.

[singletonking]

Vote Count 1.9

TTTT (4): Yahmose, Prince of Renais, Skygazer, Jingle
Yahmose (3): TTTT, Miss Kobayashi Maru, Firebringer
Skygazer (1): Voted

Not Voting (1): Ankamius

With 9 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch. It will take 5 to lynch in (expired on 2019-05-05 09:00:00).

The deadline is 9 May 9am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-09 09:00:00)

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[Ankamius]

VOTE: Yahmose

[TTTT]

@Jingle
thanks that helps
I'm not sure I'm with you on requiring a mason claim to name a partner
one unCC'd mason claim should be enough to avoid a lynch
if it's a fakeclaim it's worth sacrificing a single mason to CC
and then we choose who to lynch and work from the flip
and I think we should trust the masons to play in a way that isn't obviously tying them together
especially if they are a likely pair via the mechanics

[TTTT]

Odds are, if the scum team doesn't immediately know who the 2nd mason is, they can guess on N3. And the masons are p much useless, even if the living mason CAN confirm their mason status through the arcane method of obscure reference sharing. So having a single mason out is dumb, because its a netgain for scum.

but a single mason could also be conftown for a day phase
based on a partner's flip
so keeping them secret could be a net gain

[Jingle]

A single uncorroborated mason claim (any mason claim made post mason death) is not trustworthy in LYLO. A single, uncorroborated mason claim pre LYLO is pretty meh. If a player is run up and then claims mason, we've already agreed they're scummy enough to be untrustworthy. If a player is run up to the point they've claimed mason 5 of the 8 other players are purty much NOTMASONS.

Really doesn't matter a ton, but yeah, I 100% lynch anyone who claims mason and won't out their partner in this setup.

[RadiantCowbells]

note that tttt has done nothing besides mechanical talk in the last few pages

yahmose is lurking but that's not a scumtell for her.

[TTTT]

note that tttt has done nothing besides mechanical talk in the last few pages

that's a lie

[TTTT]

A single uncorroborated mason claim (any mason claim made post mason death) is not trustworthy in LYLO. A single, uncorroborated mason claim pre LYLO is pretty meh.

there are ways for the remaining mason to corroborate w/o 1st mason outing them
I've been mason twice recently and successfully left proof for my partner

[Miss Kobayashi Maru]

Yahmoose, Voted, Miss Kobayahsi. Anything I can do to help get u more involved?

get my boss to not give me a bunch of late shifts in a row tbh

I'm being a big baby about it though, my effort's just been very disappointing thus far in general

[Miss Kobayashi Maru]

hey voted any reason ur voting me or uh

Indeed. I have a reason. If I were foggy about the reason, would you see it as scummy behaviour?

I'd like to hear the reason even if it's foggy tbh

[Miss Kobayashi Maru]

Part of why I'm struggling is that I'm sort of townleaning everyone rn bar RC, Yahmose and Jingle, but I feel like there's this huge chance I'm missing something and it's making me reread obsessively until my brain is mush

actually participating in the game is probably the answer

[Miss Kobayashi Maru]

I'll be around today

[Ankamius]

This doesn't feel like catart!TTTT

And I was actively scumreading him the entire time we were both in the game

[Voted]

I declare intento to hammer Yahmose.

TTTT tries to make people post alignment indicative things. I don't support lynching this kind of people day 1. I read him as town.

Any comments? Anyone wishing to prevent Yahmose from claiming?

[Yahmose]

VT.

[singletonking]

The voting threshold has dropped to 5

[RadiantCowbells]

i wish i could stop people from making shitty mislynches.

[Prince of Renais]

i wish i could stop people from making shitty mislynches.

[Voted]

i wish i could stop people from making shitty mislynches.

And you can't?

[Ankamius]

That's how I view TTTT atm

[Prince of Renais]

That's how I view TTTT atm

that's also how you viewed both of the correct scum lynches i tried to push in d1 of the brigitte game.

[Skygazer]

also a yahm flip gives me very little to work with in terms of associations because of their 0 posting and my PoE combined with the table makes me think they're town

this is possibly the worst lynch rn because its likely town and doesnt give us much info to work with tomorrow

and like yahm's behavior (don't really know their meta) is more likely to come from town about to be lynched than scum being lynched

tttt's behavior (trying to effort post to save themselves, talking way more about mechanics than scumhunting) is more likely ti come from scum