Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

[rosterfoster]

Dann do I die if I drink the tea?

Pedit: Oh wow.

[Dannflor]

Uh I would hope not

I didn't know drinking it was an option tbh

[Shining Dreamers]

Also,
6: No I don't have any scumreads anymore.
7: Which is half the reason I say...fuck this game.
8: I don't really even have townreads anymore, so again:
9: Fuck this game.
10: I don't even want to try to get scumreads or for that matter even townreads anymore. I do have an open offer; ask me about a player and I will explain my thoughts on them, I'll point out what makes them town and what makes them scum, I'll give you my reasons and whatnot but what it amounts to is exactly what I said; no townreads, no scumreads. So to drive it home once more...
11: Fuck this game.

[Dannflor]

the_worst did you give your tea to someone?

[Dannflor]

oh drinking it is an option I just can't read my role pm correctly

I don't know what drinking does, if anything

[Shining Dreamers]

Shining Dreamers, why did you crumb that you'd received Reasonably Clever's message?

Uh because when someone specifically messages you, you let them know that you received the message?

And when that message pertains to nightkills/strongmen, there's a damn fucking good reason to share this knowledge, subtly, with the entire thread without revealing the source?

Like.

Why the fuck.
WOULDN'T you 'crumb receiving the message.
Is the better question to ask.

[Dannflor]

I would agree that I'd like a mass claim today. Which I think is just roster and chemist who haven't claimed?

[Dannflor]

no wait roster and the_worst

chemist claimed alien

[Shining Dreamers]

We're massclaiming today.
Since we've fucked up twice (or rather, *I* have fucked up twice and Yume didn't stop me ), we'll go first.

We're an echo flower.

We were setting up for a fakeclaim of delayed-action nexus, where actions targeting us one night would take effect on targets of our choice the next, with us knowing all the details of each action making it a functional souped-up self-voyeur as well.
We were also, as part of that fakeclaim, planning to claim that we could redirect nightkills including the scum's nightkill...but with the tradeoff of after having done so, permanently disabling our role.
Our item restriction claim was an extension of that--there was a lie present, but not about the restriction.
Yesterday, I genuinely thought at daystart that being given the tea disabled our role. RC, however,

corrected

me on this and said it did not. I neglected to correct this erroneous assumption because if people thought our role was disabled, I figured there'd be a chance scum would think it'd be a good chance to target us.

No such luck.

Our ACTUAL role isn't actually that far off from our planned fakeclaim; it functions a bit like an ascetic, but with a twist that we really

can

use the actions we're targeted with...sort-of.

Because our ACTUAL role is an ability-absorber. We're immune to non-killing actions, and learn all non-killing actions that target us.
For those paying attention,

this is how we know scum targeting will have fakeclaim flavor

.
Because if they didn't, then literally everyone with a non-killing targeting action could target us N1, and from knowing what those actions were, we'd be able to tell which were town actions and which were scum actions. A hilariously broken thing...which is why we knew it wasn't true.

There IS a caveat to this--our ability absorbsion doesn't work when we have an item to hold.
We don't have an item to hold right now; tea apparently didn't count as one.

There's a second aspect to our role:
Ability repeating; twice, we can use ANY ability that we have previously absorbed. It's 2x, not unlimited, butstill.
That's why our planned fakeclaim of delayed-action nexus wasn't far from the truth; because we really could use actions targeting us.

N1, nobody targeted us.
D2, we were targeted by Reasonably Clever's power, and RC clarified that in spite of our role saying ACTIONS, not

night

actions...our role only absorbs NIGHT actions.
N2, we received tea. We were told we could drink it or give it to another player.
We were informed after I asked that either of these--drinking or giving--counts as a night action.
However, for whatever reason, it didn't trigger our role.
And N3, we also were not targeted by any actions.

So basically the whole fucking game.
The role that needs to be targeted by fucking night actions to be of any use of all.
Hasn't been targeted by any real night actions since even the tea apparently didn't count as a night action for the purpose of our role.

Requoting this because it's important.

We are massclaiming today.
No ifs, no ands, no buts. Today is THE day to do it.
Not partial.
Not fake.
Not held back.
Full claim, of everything, all cards on the table.

[Shining Dreamers]

Also because we're a triple-busser:
VOTE: Chemist

[Chemist1422]

Yo I was really busy over the weekend and didn't get a chance to work on this game at all

I've claimed everything but exactly what my mercy restriction is, should I claim that too?

[Chemist1422]

Also because we're a triple-busser:
VOTE: Chemist

Trying to spew me scum no matter your alignment I see

Won't work though

Let me put on some music and I'll get started ISO diving

[rosterfoster]

NAPSTABLOOK22

I’m a tree stump. I was half-considering fake-claiming here but I don’t think scum ever kill me anyway after being on every mislynch.

This is why I wasn’t objecting so much to being lynched D1, and explains the lynchproof stuff.

[Dannflor]

Trying to spew me scum no matter your alignment I see

what

[Dannflor]

and yes claim your mercy restriction

I'm a 2-shot tea vendor, so I didn't give any tea last night. I would like to know what the_worst did with his tea however.

I'm also mercy-immune, which means any non-killing abilities that target me that are dependent on the current level of Mercy will fail

So it's like ascetic but only for non-killing abilities tied to the Mercy bar

[Pink Ball]

NAPSTABLOOK22

I’m a tree stump. I was half-considering fake-claiming here but I don’t think scum ever kill me anyway after being on every mislynch.

This is why I wasn’t objecting so much to being lynched D1, and explains the lynchproof stuff.

Can we test that? If that's true, then we're at MyLo right now

[rosterfoster]

Tree stump on death.

I can still vote and stuff right now.

[Shining Dreamers]

I don’t think scum ever kill me anyway after being on every mislynch.

Actually behind Brown Eyes you're one of the top two nightkills in the game, the other being Dannflor.

There's reasons for both of you to be scum, but the reasons for either of you being town are, compared to every other player, disproportionately strong.

I don't really have townreads but you two are the closest things I've got to them.

[Chemist1422]

1) Shining Dreamers
9) The Worst
11) Dannflor
10) Pink Ball
14) Papyrus
15) Rosterfoster
^ players I need to sort

Random early thoughts:
SD feels genuine in their defense kind of
Roster's been kinda under the radar to me but I don't disbelieve their claim
TW I remember thinking was kinda villagy but don't remember why
Papyrus I don't remember having anything clearing on
PB had a couple things in neighbor chat that felt like they were talking to me from a scum perspective, but their claim soft confirms them. if we wanna go into flavor arguments I don't know why Alphys+Goner Kid would have a neighborhood chat but I don't think that's a solid road to go down
Dann I don't really know

[Shining Dreamers]

NAPSTABLOOK22

I’m a tree stump. I was half-considering fake-claiming here but I don’t think scum ever kill me anyway after being on every mislynch.

This is why I wasn’t objecting so much to being lynched D1, and explains the lynchproof stuff.

Can we test that? If that's true, then we're at MyLo right now

For the record.
Low-key think that Pink Ball might mechanically be required to be scum, and that this would be a bit of a scumslip if so.

Why?

Because of his own role--he can disappear for a full day phase.
If he disappears, then mylo becomes lylo; lylo becomes an instant town loss if he were town.

He should ALREADY be thinking it's mylo if his role triggers; he should think that roster triggering his role would put us in pseudo-lylo.

But I don't put much stock in that mechanical theory because while I thought of the possibility of it, it's definitely not something I'd call a probability. Not quite sure if it's best described as 'plausible' or 'possible', tho. If just 'possible', then the idea should be discarded; if actually 'plausible', should be kept in mind, and I'm not really able to tell which of the two it is right now.

[Chemist1422]

Mercy restriction is less than 7

[Chemist1422]

Mercy restriction is less than 7

*7 or less.

[Shining Dreamers]

NAPSTABLOOK22

I’m a tree stump. I was half-considering fake-claiming here but I don’t think scum ever kill me anyway after being on every mislynch.

This is why I wasn’t objecting so much to being lynched D1, and explains the lynchproof stuff.

Can we test that? If that's true, then we're at MyLo right now

For the record.
Low-key think that Pink Ball might mechanically be required to be scum, and that this would be a bit of a scumslip if so.

Why?

Because of his own role--he can disappear for a full day phase.
If he disappears, then mylo becomes lylo; lylo becomes an instant town loss if he were town.

He should ALREADY be thinking it's mylo if his role triggers; he should think that roster triggering his role would put us in pseudo-lylo.

But I don't put much stock in that mechanical theory because while I thought of the possibility of it, it's definitely not something I'd call a probability. Not quite sure if it's best described as 'plausible' or 'possible', tho. If just 'possible', then the idea should be discarded; if actually 'plausible', should be kept in mind, and I'm not really able to tell which of the two it is right now.

Basically.
We have seven alive now.
We have two scum alive now.
If we mislynch, and there's a scum nightkill, tomorrow we have five alive NORMALLY...
...But if at the end of the day, Pink Ball were removed, instead of five alive tomorrow, we'd have FOUR alive--and if that's two scum, it's instant game over town.

Pink Ball, as town, should know this.
So he should already be treating today as pseudo-mylo/lylo.
Which is where the possible-scumslip comes from.

[Chemist1422]

The factional numbers will be at least 12/4. The final player may be either Mercy, Genocide, or third party.

HOLD IT!

How do you know it's not LyLo right now? The OP never directly confirms there's four scum.

[Shining Dreamers]

The factional numbers will be at least 12/4. The final player may be either Mercy, Genocide, or third party.

HOLD IT! How do you know it's not LyLo right now? The OP never directly confirms there's four scum.

Because given the RELATIVELY-underpowered nature of the town roles seen thusfar (our tracker was gated to require a visit; our roleblocker if given gold could be blocked; Something_Smart's friendly neighbor was 1x and heavily gated; our watcher required us to have town die), combined with ~20 players being the ballpark minimum for five scum and this game having a full three less than that, there simply isn't a way for scum to have five members and have it be balanced.