large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, @wagamama, you got it wrong

The gambit for me was to get people to vote against me so that I could take over control of the main wagon.

It is not so much a gambit against TheWizard... I will eat my hat if TheWizard is town, I'm just not buying it at all given set up. That is not a gambit, that is me inferring based on relative balance.

[Wagonomics]

scum would need some insane firepower in order for a town roleblocker to even start making the least bit of sense.

I mean it's a schadd game... setup spec day 1 is weak af

[Wagonomics]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

[NotAnAxehole]

Eh, what I know about this game balances it at 3 vs 10...

This is 3 vs 12.

We have a claimed IC and claimed Roleblocker... You want to claim your role too? Add to the pile of broken town roles we have?

Unless scum is fully decked out, I don't see it, I will not consider it. Our best odds today are shooting in the claims.

[Wagonomics]

Still catching up from the massive explosion in the past several hours for posts...

Why does scum claim roleblocker though?

Part of me has started wondering if it's because there are 2 anti-town teams, which is allowed in normal games. As in there could be 2 scum teams (maybe 2 scum, and 2 scum) or 1 scum team (like 3 scum) with 1 sk. So, thewiz claiming town rb could be serial killer rb or scum 1-shot rb or some crazy thing. But I think there are better candidates than thewiz today because if we lynch that and he DOES turn out to be town rb, that would be awful.

Quality wifom if this isn't a legit townslip

[Wagonomics]

Friendly neighbor is weaker than IC and my role is not so strong that it would preclude a town roleblocker. Also friendly neighbor has negative synnergy with town roleblocker.

Still not saying wiz is town, just think setup spec is weak

[NotAnAxehole]

Let's kill TheWizard, then we can kill me if I'm lying.

[Performer]

Most likely, Axe is scum and there's a scum roleblocker. He likely inferred (incorrectly) that there wouldn't be a town roleblocker. Since (in his view) I was a fake claiming townie, I would be an easy lynch.

That is why he doesn't believe my claim, and why he is pushing me.

What are your reads?

Me, roster, bob, kid. The rest are probably all scum or at least 3 of them are.

This I actually partly agree with - in terms of roster/kid. I don't know why you're still scumreading me.

[nomnomnom]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

Well apparently not everyone did given the current discussion soooo

[NotAnAxehole]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

Well apparently not everyone did given the current discussion soooo

I did not

[NotAnAxehole]

@Perf @Waga wagon this Wizard.

[Wagonomics]

Tbh I'm not opposed to one of you going today and I think I would rather see wiz go than you at the moment.

I think Performer maybe town... maybe need to decide on if that's a legit townslip.

Someone convince me bob and ela are town and I think my lynchpool is small enough for day 1 to end

[Wagonomics]

Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

[NotAnAxehole]

Who is ela?

[NotAnAxehole]

Who is ela?

Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

Kid is definitely in the PoE, I think TheWizard kill will help us sort him because of the Skygazer wagon vs TheWizard wagon reactions.

[Wagonomics]

EeveeLution Army = ELA

[NotAnAxehole]

EeveeLution Army = ELA

I think ELA can be confirmed tomorrow by Skygazer and TheWizard flips similar to kid, both of these players should he confirmed tomorrow and we can infer a lot based on who they voted for and who they didn't vote for.

[NotAnAxehole]

Bob is a bit of a mystery. If both Skygazer and TheWizard confirm town tomorrow (lynch me), but I think Bob is definitely scum if that the flips.

[NotAnAxehole]

If TheWizard flips scum, we just need to determine if Bob's vote was a forced bus or not.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't love Bob's distance from both wagons, yet still supported both wagons with his vote. But for now I'm leaning more null/town)

[Performer]

Axe vs wizard still stinks to high heaven. I do not get why axe as scum goes for such lhf thru a mech attack tho. Doesn't mean axe is town, just means if he's scum I don't get his strat yet

axe as scum doesn't make sense to me either.

Performer don't town frequently tunnel you cause you're so often scummy?

How strong you feel on buj?

I feel like the way he went about voting sky, later saying "oh hey, I KNEW it, I told you guys sky was town," then me asking about that and the way he handled that, was just not right. She's a claimed pr now.

The vanity vote from rui is awfully scummy as well but I feel worse about buj. Rui is a very close 2nd and I'd welcome a lynch on that as well. Her focus has been largely on me + she barely says anything else about the game. I don't even remember who her other scumreads are.

You can't deny you've been kinda low impact this game. Usually I would have a decent townread on you by now I think... well except in extra but iirc there were some hydra things there messing with my read

I don't think a high impact playstyle is who I am anyway?...also I've been busier this year irl

[Performer]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

ugh my memory is terrible
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You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

I take it back, go back to the mediocre economics jokes

we're here for Forum Mafia, not Economics Wonderland...

[NotAnAxehole]

The only issue I have with switching the wagon to another player is that we lose the confirmation on Skygazer who only really played "town" when pushed to L-1... Which is pretty suspect. That is because TheWizard is probably a scum roleblocker.

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