Mini 2072: Timeshift Mafia IV [GAME OVER]

[rosterfoster]

Exactly. Which is why TR’ing Mastina based on that is BS.

[Latrodectus]

mastina not shooting n1 is hilarious

in what universe does she ever do that?

[Latrodectus]

alright roster

do you think it's possible that a kill was submitted on this slot and that it failed?

[rosterfoster]

But I think you probably didn’t connect the dots that your reasoning was fundamentally flawed which is ridiculously townie.

Pedit: There are many reasons she might have shot you and failed. If Yamoose is town then for whatever reason there was no scum kill no? I don’t feel like Yamoose lies about these things from what I have seen so something must have interfered.

Why is it more likely to be stopped on someone other than you?

[rosterfoster]

And I mean I don’t really see why scum shoots LG, which makes me think Yamoose might be town for that claim.

[Latrodectus]

what?

[rosterfoster]

Do you think Yamoose is scum?

If not do you believe their claim?

If you do then for some reason there was no scum NK.

I don’t see how that means that it was/wasn’t you, so doesn’t clear Mastina even in your warped meta reasoning.

[Latrodectus]

it's almost certain that a scumteam with mastina in it shoots us
there was no scumkill resolved n1 because scum shooting light is lolbad
we aren't a good doc target because we had very low presence and as stated before, fuscosco replaced into a spewed town slot
we aren't bulletproof
not shooting n1 is dumb as hell

what exactly is wrong with my reasoning that makes it 'fundamentally flawed'

[Latrodectus]

no yahmose is town like I've been saying for the last however many pages?

[rosterfoster]

Your whole reason for TR’ing Mastina is that you’re still alive.

I really don’t see how you still being alive validates this because there is no evidence on whether they shot you or not.

Pedit: Those questions were to try to work through the logic with you.

[Firebringer]

i just realized something in this game.

if yahmose is town vigi.
that means this game has a 3 shot cop, a back up cop, and a vigi.

What the hell is this kind of power doing in this game?

[Latrodectus]

the evidence that we weren't shot is that we're still alive?

your reasoning is literally just as much a stretch because you're not taking into account how the game has progressed and how specific things would have to happen in order for the scenario you're proposing to even be possible in the first place, which is a lot less likely than just "mastina is not scum and we weren't targeted for a kill"

like yeah it doesn't 100% clear her but it's a stronger argument than just about anything else atm

[Firebringer]

not to mention whatever stopped a scum night kill night 1?

[Latrodectus]

i just realized something in this game.

if yahmose is town vigi.
that means this game has a 3 shot cop, a back up cop, and a vigi.

What the hell is this kind of power doing in this game?

the cop was also timeshifted, which is a pretty big nerf

[Firebringer]

not that much given its 3 shot.
unless its delayed by 2-3 days.

Which frankly shouldn't we have a full role pm to know when the results would have been given?

The mod hasn't even told me when I am supposed to get results for my back up shots now.

[rosterfoster]

But no-one else was shot.

It doesn’t condemn her but I just don’t see why your read makes sense. It’s literally not even an argument at all because there’s nothing to suggest that they targeted someone else beyond the probability, which would be the same with a kill anyway.

Fire I don’t see how that’s a lot of power? My setup spec is hopeless though.

Yeah the time shifted cop is a big nerf.

[Latrodectus]

Game-Specific Rules – Timeshift Mafia IV
A. Actions will, by default, not be resolved until the next Night phase due to the Timeshift.

[Latrodectus]

oh wait

that might apply to factional abilities

[rosterfoster]

Oh so maybe your read on Mastina is fundamentally flawed?

[Firebringer]

Why isn't yahmoose action not timeshifted btw? Shouldn't most abilities in this game be time-shifted and why isn't her vig a timeshift?

[Latrodectus]

no, that just means we can't actually confirm anything until tomorrow

[rosterfoster]

Yeah so for now even with your warped meta reasoning there is no reason for you to TR Mastina today.

Glad we agree.

[Latrodectus]

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mastina is sortable through other methods, but in general I think that slot is probably town anyways thanks to her overall approach to the game; I don't feel like she's been trying to set things up and I haven't had enough of a presence to where she would feel the need to react around me either

read my posts

[Firebringer]

btw my back up role doesn't apply to cop. it applies to any timeshift roles that are town and have shots remaining.
So there are more timeshift roles in this game.

I don't know if i believe that non timeshift vig role exists when theres probably at least 2-3 more timeshift roles in this game.

[rosterfoster]

But why would mafia kill LG? I suppose it’s possible there was a soft somewhere.