Large Normal 220: Jazz Mafia [Game Over!]

[Firebringer]

I am not actively trying to read people yet. So no one. I have made a few simple reads early in the game to get a footing but they are pretty surface level in nature.

Do u still scumread me?

Should I not be?

[skitter30]

VOTE: bujaber

[skitter30]

I am not actively trying to read people yet. So no one. I have made a few simple reads early in the game to get a footing but they are pretty surface level in nature.

Do u still scumread me?

Should I not be?

Idk. I'm more asking cuz this post makes it sound like ur reads are kinda ephemereal so i was wondering if that was still a thing

[Firebringer]

they are but nothing u posted tells me town rn.

[skitter30]

Fair enough

[Firebringer]

like ur read on bujaber seems to be bad posts/bad logic = scum ; which doesn't indicate scum. Just things you disagree with.

[skitter30]

It's more than that, the things he's pushing are reachy. Like he's posting things that sound good logically but like i don'r know if scum or town actually approach the game in the way he's suggesting

Give me a sec

[skitter30]

Then you shouldn't have mentioned me at all.
It was baseless shading on something not AI for me from people who know me well enough.

The townie move would have been to wait for me to post more.

Like this post is shading ofrhz and invalidating ofrhz's gutread on him by saying that ofrhz was wrong to share a gutping since townies should have waited for buj to post more instead of using his rvs post to try to sort him.

And my problems with this are:

A) of course people can form reads on rvs posts. Not off of every rvs post, but it is indeed possible to start forming reads off of that part of the game. And by writing this post, buj is invalidating the whole notion of rvs and that people can form reads there (and thus discrediting the scumreads people had on him)

B) even if we start with the assumption that townies should have waited for buj to post more .... does not doing so mean that someone is scummy? Townies do this all the time, even if buj may think it's suboptimal or the wrong way to play. Why is this something to scumread people over if people do this ... all the time

[LucianRoy]

His logic is bad, but how confident are you he's scum for it?

[skitter30]

It's not just the illogic, it's that he's using the illogic to shade scumreads on him

Idk how confident i am, i think it's worth pushing

[LucianRoy]

I'm not sure I agree with you here on him being scum because of this. He's had other hiccups of bad logic elsewhere, like claiming you and FL were distancing was pretty out-there.
He seems pretty wrapped up in metagame surrounding his slot as well considering his push on you. His standards seem pretty high for his expectations on how people should read him.

[LucianRoy]

And I'm in pretty dire need of better adverbs

[Saudade]

Skitter is a scary beast

[NerfedBuJ]

Then you shouldn't have mentioned me at all.
It was baseless shading on something not AI for me from people who know me well enough.

The townie move would have been to wait for me to post more.

Like this post is shading ofrhz and invalidating ofrhz's gutread on him by saying that ofrhz was wrong to share a gutping since townies should have waited for buj to post more instead of using his rvs post to try to sort him.

And my problems with this are:

A) of course people can form reads on rvs posts. Not off of every rvs post, but it is indeed possible to start forming reads off of that part of the game. And by writing this post, buj is invalidating the whole notion of rvs and that people can form reads there (and thus discrediting the scumreads people had on him)

B) even if we start with the assumption that townies should have waited for buj to post more .... does not doing so mean that someone is scummy? Townies do this all the time, even if buj may think it's suboptimal or the wrong way to play. Why is this something to scumread people over if people do this ... all the time

This is absolutely horrible of you to say.
You know I absolutely adore RVS and day 1 is my favorite day. I will worship people who catch scum in RVS with me.

That was definitely not the point I was making or else I wouldn't have formed my own reads.

The point was when he (and you btw) throw out a shade like that one someone who has votes on them when you don't even join that wagon you are just encouraging more votes on me from people who know me less.

And this is even worse when it is done to someone like me, who you are halfway decent at reading ONCE YOU SEE ENOUGH POSTS FROM ME.

And so what that action did was basically encourage a wagon based on a single post despite me being a player who gets sorted with time, and not only that but you and ofrhz didn't have the courage to join the wagon itself and push me.

Like the game is all about sorting people and pushing scum. And if you had the intention of doing either when you thought I was scum, ie either pressure me to see my reaction or lynch me when you think I'm scum, you would have actually placed a vote instead of passively signing some noncommital hypothetical petition to lynch me.

You want to accuse me of dismissing RVS how about you actually read a few of my latest games. Like the game where I caught 1 scum in RVS. Never let it go, caught his partner for defending him, and town ended up losing the game for not listening to me.

I am the first person to admit I may suck at talking and making my points but I am literally the last person on this site to belittle RVS. I would be insulting my self if I did that because so many games I've had correct scumreads in RVS or day 1 and if I didn't believe in it I would only conclude that I got lucky and I refuse to believe that my correct reads are just pure luck.

I thought my point was pretty clear and you're spinning this is really horrible from you. You not only want to defend not committing to a wagon on one of you're scumreads (which is a very basic common scumtell everyone knows about) but you actually want to spin it like I'm saying something unorthodox??!

Like hell lynch me if you want it so bad I'd rather die than have my respect for the game questioned.

[NerfedBuJ]

And since my entry post is apparently so scummy how about a little context. I had no interest in joining this game. I didn't even know it was in signups. Sky invited me and specifically called the playerlist lit. So I joined because I thought it would be fun. Then I made that post.

[Firebringer]

it was lit till i joined it.

[Firebringer]

And I'm in pretty dire need of better adverbs

u need proverbs not adverbs.

why would you want an ad as a verb. ads are annoying already.

[skitter30]

@bujaber

Ok

A) i think that reaction was kinda townie actually
VOTE: lucien

B) not trying to insult u or upset u, i apoligize if i did. I didnt view what i said as horrible or disrespecting ur view of the game, but i apoligize if it came off that way, i did not mean to do that

C) I actually do/did not know how u view rvs and day1 (i don't know if i've ever played tvt with u, if ur town here, and i don't always remember details like this from when i'm scum). Am i forgetting a game where we were tvt? Or even a game where i've been town against scum!you besides ofrhz's stack the deck? Was there one more recent than that? (I've been scum to town!you a bunch of times, i think)

D) i dont really view saying 'this rvs post is gutpinging me' to be shade inciting a wagon. I say that sort of thing when i want to make a note that a post feels weird but not scummy enough to vote over, ehich is exactly what ur rvs post felt like. I don't really view that as 'lacking courage' to vote u so much as wanting more time and more posts before making a determination on ur alignment. You're expecting me to take more time to sort u. To me, noting posts that feel weird but not commiting to a vote yet (because i dont know if i think ur scum yet) is doing just that. And this interaction, for me, was pressuring u to see ur reaction

E) i think there's scum in people voting me. Any thoughts on who that might be?

[Skygazer]

VC 1.09

LucianRoy (5): Tet, The Last Knight, ofrhz, Krazy, skitter30
skitter30 (4): Flavor Leaf, Firebringer, LucianRoy, NerfedBuJ
BoomBoom (3): Saudade, Airick10, Vorkuta
NerfedBuJ (2): Baezu, Enigma
Airick10 (1): BrightEyedFish
Saudade (1): BoomBoom

Not Voting (1): Lil Uzi Vert

With 17 alive, it take 9 to lynch. Day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-05-20 09:30:00).

Mod notes: Duke Ellington is on this track too <333

[Saudade]

Since boomboom dont post nor scumhunt ive to actively remind yall to lynch him

[NerfedBuJ]

@skitter - Just so you know I don't let normal interactions in games affect me outside of the game as long as it doesn't cross the irl insult line and even then I understand it can get heated I don't fault you for anything definitely wouldn't want you to think you upset me personally. It was a moment and it passed and other moments will come and they'll pass.

Tbh I regret not composing myself better my reaction may have been harsh.

It's not going to make me not scumread you. But I'll try to reassess with more objectivity

[Saudade]

Insulting people for scumreading you is such a great privilege thougb

[Firebringer]

i call everyone scumreading me stupid and fat. is that acceptable?

[Vorkuta]

Dammit I townread firebringer.... I missed out on ^

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think Bu's ATE comes from town. He doesn't seem to be using it in avoid answering logical problems and questions, or as a shield to defend themselves and bash someone else because they can't do it any other way. I also think he isn't that bold to parade around with that level of a superiority complex as scum.