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[insomnia]

VOTE: bambi jay

Speed lynch go fast SPAM CAPS

[insomnia]

VOTE: bambi jay

Speed lynch go fast SPAM CAPS

nice to see you again?

what alignment do you think that I think you are right now?

Lock town

[insomnia]

It’s nice seeing you again knowing that I don’t have to get rid of you, unless you’re scum

[insomnia]

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH

[insomnia]

Bambi’s frozen, that’s one scum down

P-edit : fuck

[insomnia]

This town doesn’t want to lynch scum smh

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

You’re scum

[insomnia]

I genuinely believe bambi’s scum here, change my mind

[insomnia]

VOTE: Skygazer

Let’s do this instead.

Aaaaand that’s gg, all scum pinned

[insomnia]

Why’s bambi not lynched yet?

[insomnia]

I genuinely believe bambi’s scum here, change my mind

better idea, tell us why

Because you’re scum with her and you unvoted for no reason, you just messed up my waganomics man

[insomnia]

Urap what’s your read on me?

[insomnia]

K yeah this can die, urap reads me like a book and I should be conftown from his PoV

VOTE: urap2

Sayonara

[insomnia]

Putting anyone at L-1 in a Normal game is cause for alarm. Leave that shit for Micros and Newbie games.

Quoting this after you flip scum

[insomnia]

Urap’s caught, it’s urap and bambi lul

[insomnia]

K yeah this can die, urap reads me like a book and I should be conftown from his PoV

VOTE: urap2

Sayonara

you know this for a fact not to be true and a check of our interlocked meta will show that my accuracy on you is like just over 50% when I don't have a cop check on you before you replace into the game =P

That’s false

[insomnia]

unvote looked vaguely lamist

well, it was definitely pro-town if that's what you mean

Unless bambi is scum, which we don’t know

[insomnia]

Why was it likely that you were going to get wagoned if you unvoted? It seems like a shit wifom case

[insomnia]

Frankly Urap doesn't seem the kind of guy to jump on and off his scum partner's wagon immediately. I don't know how your justifying making him a scumread for it.

How do you know that?

[insomnia]

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

[insomnia]

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

I know what you said, and Jay can answer for himself.

I want to know if you disagree with him. Answer, please.

If he can answer for himself, let him answer then.

[insomnia]

It was a trolly RVS wagon. I'd expect scum to pile on something low-info for town like that, not jump off. Don't see how that's suspicious or would get you targetted.

well, it did get me targeted, so you might want to reconsider your assumptions.

Yeah but you wouldn’t have any idea on what might’ve happened, you can’t predict the future. You’re saying “I knew I was going to get wagonned” when that’s a faulty assumption. You’re using that as a defence.

[insomnia]

Insomnia wants me to answer questions but he goes for URAP instead for interrogation. Fun times.

I’m using a hit and run scum hunting tactic, I can multi task, you want my utmost attention? You aren’t going to get it and you’ll still have to answer my question, oopsie

[insomnia]

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

I know what you said, and Jay can answer for himself.

I want to know if you disagree with him. Answer, please.

If he can answer for himself, let him answer then.

I am letting him answer. That's why I didn't answer. I simply asked if you disagreed. If you're interested in his answer, push him to answer.

I'm pushing you to answer my question. Do you disagree?

I’ve never played with scum you, guess I’ll have an answer to your question post flip

[insomnia]

here's a TMI read:

insomnia locktownish

This is what urap’s read should’ve been

Time’s up bud

[insomnia]

Guess I can ignore Insomnia until he focuses only on me then.

Rain, which game of mine did you read? That heavily influences which way I'm reading you ATM.

I’m gonna power lynch you today

[insomnia]

I’m actually more coherent as scum, so that’s another bad read on urap. My town tell is my big balls push that’s giving my alignment away, not coherence. Weird that urap failed to use that as a reasoning for town reading me

[insomnia]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Get to talking

[insomnia]

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

[insomnia]

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

(expired on 2019-05-08 23:03:07)

[insomnia]

Shoot : Bambi Jay

After votes reset, we push urap

[insomnia]

Shoot : Bambi Jay

After votes reset, we push urap

Do you expect anyone to believe a Dayvig is in a 10p btw?

Yeah it’s really balanced

[insomnia]

Guess we’ll have to wait for a bit

[insomnia]

You can eat the noose today, i’m chill

[insomnia]

If you can go on and not focus me if town that would be great Insom. Or keep doing it as scum. Works for me either way.

You’ll slip up. And I’ll be here when that happens. If you nk me, you’ll choke on my dust.

[insomnia]

VOTE: rosterfoster

Page 10 and you do a rvs vote smh

[insomnia]

roster never catches scum :O

[insomnia]

VOTE: Bambi

[insomnia]

I've never seen town roster being so active before. rubs me the wrong way.

[insomnia]

Tell me something I don't know, Roster. Like why Insomnia is being a psychopath.

i'm sk

[insomnia]

Bambi jay is so under the radar right now.

[insomnia]

How the fuck did Bambi Jay escape the line of questioning? Swerved the fucking thread and left you towns to fuck yourselves over.

[insomnia]

I can tell montosh flips town just from that disgusting wagon.

[insomnia]

I can tell montosh flips town just from that disgusting wagon.

lynch pool

[mon, lil uzi vert,

bambi,

alch, roster]

more or less in that lynch order

so why are you voting with bambi

[insomnia]

I'm too lazy to read the mon case if there's one, I just know he flips town, the wagon composition is disgusting as hell

[insomnia]

I'm too lazy to read the mon case if there's one, I just know he flips town, the wagon composition is disgusting as hell

I'm wondering if you've evolved to using reverse psychology to stay off mislynches as scum rn

because this def isn't an effective way to push a town read

I wonder how much you'll struggle to get me at a null read from a town read.

I also wonder when you'll vote actual scum.

[insomnia]

I'm too lazy to read the mon case if there's one, I just know he flips town, the wagon composition is disgusting as hell

I'm wondering if you've evolved to using reverse psychology to stay off mislynches as scum rn

because this def isn't an effective way to push a town read

how do you know it's a mislynch prior to the flip though?

[insomnia]

Let me do an iso check

[insomnia]

I caught

Elsa

Bambi scum before and I'll do it again.

Elsa

Bambi is scum this game.

[insomnia]

Aren’t you the same person?

[insomnia]

Meh, you’re still scummy as shit

[insomnia]

Last time Elsa didn’t want to answer to any questions turns out she was posting fluff in RVS, was really active and then her activity levels dropped considerably. Notice a pattern?

[insomnia]

And she was scum

[insomnia]

Well, get used to it.

[insomnia]

You can get suspicious all you want, the fact that you’re taking someone’s side given that they refuse to answer to questions is stupid.

[insomnia]

Let me do an iso check

Am I ever going to get this?

Probably not

[insomnia]

Lmao

[insomnia]

I have asked him a question and then he said “I’m only going to answer if you say Please mistress bambi” or some shit like that

[insomnia]

Fucking unbelievable

[insomnia]

I’m not going to do any ISOs unless you say “Please daddy insomnia”

[insomnia]

Nor am I answering any questions

[insomnia]

I’m not going to do any ISOs unless you say “Please daddy insomnia”

In that case we're lynching you because I think you're simply trying to copy your "town meta" because Urap2 is here

So if I don’t oblige I get lynched.

If Bambi doesn’t oblige it’s pro-town behavior.

Kek this lobby

[insomnia]

*cough* it’s “please daddy insomnia”

[insomnia]

Frankly Urap doesn't seem the kind of guy to jump on and off his scum partner's wagon immediately. I don't know how your justifying making him a scumread for it.

How do you know that?

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

I know what you said, and Jay can answer for himself.

I want to know if you disagree with him. Answer, please.

If he can answer for himself, let him answer then.

Insomnia wants me to answer questions but he goes for URAP instead for interrogation. Fun times.

I’m using a hit and run scum hunting tactic, I can multi task, you want my utmost attention? You aren’t going to get it and you’ll still have to answer my question, oopsie

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Get to talking

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

(expired on 2019-05-08 23:03:07)

[insomnia]

Frankly Urap doesn't seem the kind of guy to jump on and off his scum partner's wagon immediately. I don't know how your justifying making him a scumread for it.

How do you know that?

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

That’s not what I said, I want to know why she said that. Do you guys have experience from other games or did you have some time to get well-acquainted prior to the start of the game?

I know what you said, and Jay can answer for himself.

I want to know if you disagree with him. Answer, please.

If he can answer for himself, let him answer then.

Insomnia wants me to answer questions but he goes for URAP instead for interrogation. Fun times.

I’m using a hit and run scum hunting tactic, I can multi task, you want my utmost attention? You aren’t going to get it and you’ll still have to answer my question, oopsie

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Get to talking

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

Bambi jay you have 5 minutes to answer or I’m shooting you.

Town case yourself idgaf

(expired on 2019-05-08 23:03:07)

NeVeR aTtEmPtEd

[insomnia]

If you are town, you will answer a question without being asked 10 times because you have nothing to hide and you want to help town yourself.

Good luck with that wagon on me

[insomnia]

I'm at L-1???

[insomnia]

I'm at L-1???

Soon you will be L-dead.

did you even do any sort of solving while I was gone? precisely my point boyos, under the radar.

[insomnia]

It's fun catching scum while having a one track mind.

[insomnia]

Well it sure did you a fat load of good going after me all this time and not even entertaining another scenario.

same

[insomnia]

Fine, I'll read everything. Quite frankly I didn't really give much of a shit about this game. Being tunneled makes it worse. Give me a fucking minute.

[insomnia]

Why was it likely that you were going to get wagoned if you unvoted? It seems like a shit wifom case

because this game is wagon heavy, and it was going to be the most obvious action in the thread to look at after dismantling jay's wagon? like, this should be fucking obvious mate

It was a trolly RVS wagon. I'd expect scum to pile on something low-info for town like that, not jump off. Don't see how that's suspicious or would get you targetted.

I remember liking this post, shared the same thought process.

Elsa and Urap asking questions as to why did we vote that as a reason to make us say "Damn, we really didn't have a reason" is kind of dumb and manipulative. There is no reason. Why are you questioning it? That's why I liked Moon's post. It sounded like scum wanting to hear a justification for making this huge ass wagon, like they demanded an explanation for it.

[insomnia]

alch i feel like i'd be a very easy push for scum you to do here tbh which worries me

I could have either stayed on Jay or pushed Rain if I wanted an easy push.

I kind of don't like this post. You didn't really try to stop the Jay wagon, and wifom as to "I could've done this as well" isn't necessary. I don't look at Rain as an easy push, which is why I think you kind of fell into the blunder of making your scum read target town read you and validate your push, which is quite...weird, and scummy.

[insomnia]

I thought being worried early was scummy?

going for a player just because they made an L-1 vote (esp when that player doesn't like having attention drawn to them as scum) is concerning, no? seems like a very easy push to make without getting any blowback and that's what I remember from alch's scum MO from sneks and noodles

Why did you put the wagon to L-1 in the first place? Were you not worried about a derp/lol hammer?

Town are more reckless and are not really worried, that's why sky's thought process on urap making a lamist post and unvoting so fast makes sense.

[insomnia]

I thought being worried early was scummy?

going for a player just because they made an L-1 vote (esp when that player doesn't like having attention drawn to them as scum) is concerning, no? seems like a very easy push to make without getting any blowback and that's what I remember from alch's scum MO from sneks and noodles

I'm failing to see the connection, but it sounds like you have a better handle on Alch as a player than I do

alch i feel like i'd be a very easy push for scum you to do here tbh which worries me

I could have either stayed on Jay or pushed Rain if I wanted an easy push.

don't see how Jay was anything more than a meme push so i disagree with you there

why do you think Rain would be an easy push?

Very vocal about pushing the quicklynch for no reason and the rest of their posting

wasn’t contributing anything

. That sort of player is easy to push and could be claimed as a “cut the crap” wagon.

Also you have seen my scumgame before so you’re the last person I’d want to push based on that. Calling yourself an easy push isn’t really a good defense of yourself either because you’re not doing anything to refute the actual scumread on you, you’re just trying to play the victim.

What do you expect someone to contribute with on the first page?

Scum vibes on this dude here.

[insomnia]

poe

so you're TRing me??? why??

do you want me to change my mind?

i've already weakened a lot my good feelings on you with this post

a lot.

why?

since I'm a stream of consciousness poster, I'll leave this here and get back to it in case urap decides to vote skygazer, in which case it is scummy as fuck.

[insomnia]

Very vocal about pushing the quicklynch for no reason and the rest of their posting wasn’t contributing anything. That sort of player is easy to push and could be claimed as a “cut the crap” wagon.

Also you have seen my scumgame before so you’re the last person I’d want to push based on that. Calling yourself an easy push isn’t really a good defense of yourself either because you’re not doing anything to refute the actual scumread on you, you’re just trying to play the victim.

oh shit you might be town

not really defending myself tho? just saying that i could def see scum you make that push

Why does this make you townread Alch?

Another good post from Mon, I think he's one of my town reads, I'll look into his shit wagon later on. Looks like I was about right with my tr on him, oh well.

[insomnia]

poe

so you're TRing me??? why??

do you want me to change my mind?

i've already weakened a lot my good feelings on you with this post

a lot.

I see my play more likely to be scumread than townread here so it struck me as odd

So WHY, prey tell, me and Alch voting you for self admitted scummy behavior is bad then?

this post is bullshit, you voted Skygazer on page 3, this is page 8, this argument makes no sense. I don't know the specific term for this if someone can help me out.

[insomnia]

Who is this elsa person and why does she keep getting mentioned?

Page 8, no contribution to the game state, had a bad argument as a filler to say "Oh look I'm posting" with that skygazer thing. And you question my reads. Wtf is this town player list.

[insomnia]

VOTE: montosh

A lot of reasons in this iso why other people's opinions are bad, and very little opinion outside of that. I'll figure out how to put it into words better later, but I think this is scum

this is fucking bad, urap.

[insomnia]

Anyone see some empty posts from Insomnia? Wonder what he tried to post.

I'm loling because you are the one to point this out

[insomnia]

btw it's not impossible that insomnia is purposely trying to play around urap by acting this way

but later we'll see

i'm fine with my poe right now

Insomnia and URAP having vastly different takes on how URAP should be reading him is odd. Maybe not playing around him per se but definitely worth keeping an eye on.

Not related to this post, but I have something to say regarding alch.

So, Sky said he was aggressive and whatnot. I don't believe that is the case. I genuinely believe he had no reason to vote you, his early arguments were weird, like I pointed out. Sky mentions the aggressiveness later on when Alch was starting to cooperate with Skygazer and talk casually with her, almost becoming passive and going under the radar.

I feel like he wanted to park his vote based on the arguments I've given. Started off as a scum read without any sort of reasoning, then went to a casual conversation and he disappeared, I bet this is what happens. What a parking slot fam

[insomnia]

If you can go on and not focus me if town that would be great Insom. Or keep doing it as scum. Works for me either way.

Have been away for a considerable amount of time and you haven't done anything. You're using it way too much as an excuse to defend yourself for not posting game relevant content. Grow balls.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

I'd still like to know where you get this read on urap from? Do you have some meta for that. I see no reason for scum not to be wishy-washy like that.

I'm kinda wishy-washy by default but okay. He took the game serious first and seems more then ready to get association tells one way or another. Good for town.

But how does taking the game seriously preclude him from jumping on and off a wagon? I don't see the connection.

Good post, this had no answer from Bambi.

[insomnia]

Wtf is this game?

Yeah, called it.

VOTE: Alchemist

moving on.

[insomnia]

we have at maximum 3 lynches so

roster > mon > lil uzi vet

let's go?

this list is worrying me. fos on alch and proposes this lynch list. yikes.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Montosh

Until Sky can be more scummy, Unfortantely I'll have to settle in following Rain instead, Alchy boy. Perhaps if you join us we can actually do something here and gather clues better. Everyone decided focusing me page 1 was a valid strategy for some reason.

Nice game solving, voting your counter wagon when you're top, OwO

[insomnia]

Insomnia are you willing to vote Skygazer?

This is scum. Engaging with new players, asking them to sheep alch so he doesn't get suspected by me. I feel like locking alch as scum.

[insomnia]

Well usually I'd shitpost more but when people gang up on me I gotta take the game more serious. That and and having a Lyncher is draining on me.

Yeah, I remember it being draining in Donner Party where I owned your ass. You were scum that game as well. You were active in RVS as well. You were shitposting as well.

I have yet to see the almighty Jay that everyone's talking about.

[insomnia]

Alright then.

VOTE: Insomnia

I want this more than Sky now.

You never wanted sky, but it's okay.

[insomnia]

Skygazer are you willing to vote Insomnia?

Since when do you ask your alleged scum reads to sheep you on another player? kappa

[insomnia]

I’m not going to do any ISOs unless you say “Please daddy insomnia”

In that case we're lynching you because I think you're simply trying to copy your "town meta" because Urap2 is here

So if I don’t oblige I get lynched.

If Bambi doesn’t oblige it’s pro-town behavior.

Kek this lobby

If it makes you feel better the Bambi stuff isn’t really why I’m scumreading you and I get that Jay is annoying to most people.

Rise and shine sweetie, you'll have to put up a big ass case, because I've been super town in my posts.

It feels like you're clinging on every single town consensus scum read.

Sky wasn't engaging with you which made it easy for you to park your vote. Your aggression went to a 0 on sky and you went afk. When I join the thread, you ask me to sheep you so that my first idea is you are scum reading sky when in reality you just parked your vote on someone without a reason.

now, present your big boi case.

[insomnia]

If it makes you feel better the Bambi stuff isn’t really why I’m scumreading you and I get that Jay is annoying to most people.

Why are you wolf reading him in that case?

A good part of it is how he’s treated URAP and the more they interact the more I lean scum. But my reachout asking him to vote Sky was the deciding factor. They had no mention of Sky in their ISO so I asked them to vote with me to see if they would or wouldn’t. The “I’ll have to ISO them” followed by a refusal to do just that reads like they don’t want any kind of interaction with that slot and I’m suspecting they are a scumteam.

Sky willing to vote Insomnia makes me question them being a team but I think she’s smart enough to have already realized what I was doing so she won’t get as many Town points on an Insomnia red flip as Insomnia would have had if he voted Sky and she flipped red.

Woah chill megamind, no need to raise the number of brain cells to a higher one than 50, if you do that, people will start scum reading you and they won't vote me anymore

[insomnia]

If you are town, you will answer a question without being asked 10 times because you have nothing to hide and you want to help town yourself.

Good luck with that wagon on me

Insomnia was lynched day 1. He was a

Mafia 1 Shot Strongman.

Ok, now I'll be the babysitter/mediator even though I was playing purposely trying to avoid this:

Bambi, the question is, why did you say that Urap2 didn't seem the kind of player to hop off his wolf buddy that early?

I answered it before tho. I said something along the lines of "just a hunch". If he wanted clarification I wish he would've asked, but he never did.

Still shit posting. meh.

[insomnia]

Alch and Bambi Jay is the scum team, now get off my dick please and thanks. I can't sustain all of you.

[insomnia]

are you kidding me?

[insomnia]

You make me waste 30 minutes on catching up and you place me at L-1 when I'm doing an effort for this sorry town?

[insomnia]

IF YOU HAMMER ME YOU'RE GETTING INSTA-LYNCHED TOMORROW, FUCKING WAIT

[insomnia]

no

Make a case or get insta lynched tomorrow after my flip you jackass

[insomnia]

because if you read my games like you claim you have, you'd see that I focus more on scum hunting rather than town hunting.

[insomnia]

your montosh town read has exactly 0 sense and i expected way better from you

You suck at this game. honestly.

[insomnia]

Rain I think ya hammered him already.

This is page 23, post 591 and this person didn't do a single effort for town and I'm getting hammered. I hope you lose.

Scum, keep rain alive as he'll lynch every town for you lmao

[insomnia]

i don't give a crap anymore, I hard claim VT, lynch me and then lynch alchemist.

People who have no experience with me have the balls to assert how my meta works. They use meta to build a case rather than assist it.

This is why meta-divers are bad players. Fucking read posts and see a thought process behind it, search for motives. There are so many scum hunting tools you can use and you rely to meta...Lame af.

[insomnia]

Push Alchemist tomorrow. Bambi Jay is a lynch 100% of the time as well.

[insomnia]

Rain is dumb town. Mon is town. roster probs town.

[insomnia]

I've never been mislynched day one, damn. feelsbadman

[insomnia]

sky is town.

[insomnia]

scum poe, in order from strongest to weakest: alch > bambi > urap

[insomnia]

roster, the fact that you think i would hammer as wolf here is bad

The fact that you would place a vote without checking if it's a hammer is bad.

If Elsa doesn't push Rain tomorrow, Elsa's scum by her own admission. "Hammering so fast is scummy" blah blah

[insomnia]

You didn’t deserve to get lynched today Insomnia.

Pedit: I have some things I am confident on. Thanks for setting me up as your next mislynch though! <3

push alch tomorrow.

[insomnia]

REMOVE YOUR VOTE RIGHT NOW BEFORE I GET MISLYNCHED DAY ONE AND MY STATS ARE FUCKED

[insomnia]

I'm Bambi, Insom. Get it through your head.

You aren't the same person?

[insomnia]

I will.

But why is Rainn town?

meh, good question.

alch is locked scum tho

[insomnia]

VOTE: Insomnia again

lmao you'll get instalynched

[insomnia]

it's like you want to die.

[insomnia]

Bambi, you're not the same person as Elsa?

[insomnia]

I didn’t really read your posts. Can you tell me why in one sentence?

wrt alch?

just read man wtf. i've read 20 pages, you can't read one? that's lazy.

[insomnia]

the post-hammer thing was genuine but meh

he's been basically rude as fuck and i wasn't expecting that from him

Talking about meta and knowing my meta and you don't know that I'm a toxic dude is bad.

[insomnia]

that's lazy.

Indeed. But good cases can always be summarised in one sentence.

Alchemist placed a vote on Skygazer without any reason when the Bambi wagon gained traction.

Skygazer called him out on his vote and he goes "I could've voted either one of Rainn or stay on Elsa".

He did stay on elsa and someone unvoted, he didn't defend Elsa at all ( ELSA )

He said he can vote Rainn because he provided no content. Alch said that about Rainn basically on page 2, what content can he contribute with on page 2 when he was advocating a troll wagon on someone??? So that tells me it was a wifom debate to make him look town in the face of skygazer so his read was validated and he could easily park his vote.

It's a thing scum do. They want to go full out on someone, he's done so probably to park his vote and then he was confronted about it. He displayed aggression at first and then he went under the radar and even made Sky town read him while he didn't do anything at all and still had his vote on Sky.

The moment I enter the thread, he says "wanna sheep me on sky" as to appear like his case on sky is real and he genuinely wants a push. When he saw his wagon wasn't gaining traction and he could've been suspected for it, he switched to me and started asking me questions instead and commenting on some things.

Here's your

sentence.

[insomnia]

What if we do day 1 lynch him tho. He taunted us with stats and everything.

I'll snipe all of your games and power lynch you.

[insomnia]

Yes, sheep me.

[insomnia]

i don't find much in insomnia's cases compelling, but he's obviously town. One of us is having a bad game - obviously I think it's him~

VOTE: montosh

no u

[insomnia]

i don't find much in insomnia's cases compelling, but he's obviously town. One of us is having a bad game - obviously I think it's him~

VOTE: montosh

Montosh is town 100% let's put a bet on it.

Alch's scum this game.

[insomnia]

Insomnia’a case on me is absolutely terrible. I’m pretty sure the only reason he’s making all these posts attacking me is because he doesn’t think he can actually defend himself otherwise. Part of his case is trying to say I vote parked on Sky and another part is complaining that I moved off Sky. It can’t be both ways. And if my vote on Sky was so scummy why does he wait until I’m voting him to say something? He actually quoted the post where I explained my vote and why I appealed to both him and sky but instead of realizing that line of thinking comes from Town he just uses it to attack my intelligence. He’s most likely scum who knows he’s caught and is just trying to shout the rest of the thread into submission.

You have all the answers to your questions in my post, but you saw yourself at L-2, you panicked and you rushed to say something. Read again.

That line of thinking is shallow and associations don’t work like that. You’re basing it off of Sky gazer being scum, her being able to read the whole thread’s mind prior to anyone expressing any scum read on me or willingness to push me, etc. So it’s faulty.

[insomnia]

i mean alch

you can argue about the reaction being fake

you can't argue that he is "caught" and "desperate" though

his wagon disappeared

Yeah it disappeared because people read his rage as Towny, which I don’t see.

And by caught I mean the fact that I’m scumreading him.

You sure have a high opinion of yourself to think that I’d wet my pants when you put me at one vote as opposed to being at L-2

[insomnia]

That line of thinking is shallow and associations don’t work like that. You’re basing it off of Sky gazer being scum, her being able to read the whole thread’s mind prior to anyone expressing any scum read on me or willingness to push me, etc. So it’s faulty.

Your refusal to engage me on Sky at all was scummy regardless of Sky’s alignment.

Nah i’m just lazy and I’m not pushing inexistent cases. You saying “Can you iso sky” is like “Yo, can you find a good reason to support my wagon so it looks town cuz I kind of like laying low”

You voted sky on page 2 when there was nothing to base your vote off. Me scum reading sky for her later actions has nothing to do with the premise of YOUR push.

[insomnia]

If you want people to sheep you, you give cases.

You don’t make the people that you want to vote with you make your homework for you.

[insomnia]

Btw I reread and I still couldn’t see a mon case

[insomnia]

Nah, he has the same thoughts like I have. And I’m not saying that because I got my thoughts after reading his posts, I legit have some thoughts and I could see them afterwards expressed in his own posts

[insomnia]

In all my years on this site nobody has attacked my intelligence or accused me of having a big ego. And in just one game you’ve done both. That’s actually kind of impressive.

I was actually talking about the other players that were voting me

Oh

[insomnia]

In all my years on this site nobody has attacked my intelligence or accused me of having a big ego. And in just one game you’ve done both. That’s actually kind of impressive.

I was actually talking about the other players that were voting me

Oh

No you weren’t. Idk how you can even try to deny it.

Well, you are saying that I’m really pressured that you gave me a vote. Why do you think i’d be scared of you? Should I?

Especially when you don’t have a case, you’re voting just because I didn’t do your homework, it’s kind of like I’m the nerd in gymnasium and you’re the bully and you make me do your homework or else you beat me. Translation : I don’t make sky to look scummier based on her latest posts, you push me

[insomnia]

it would also make insomnia calm down if he flips town, so we can insta-lynch mon tomorrow

Insomnia will probably just go back to yelling at Bambi after I flip.

I wonder where he is, huh

[insomnia]

I won my first scum newbie game with my scum bud being lynched on day one and me being off-wagon voting for no-lynch. Town had a PoE of 2 people, me and someone else. Xtoxm called me scum based on pre-flip association. Flavor Leaf was a cop in that game.

The entire lobby had me as a scum read on day two. I still pulled the dub.

So I wouldn’t be so eager with the labels.

[insomnia]

alch - ceejay, insomnia, sky, roster, rainn

real l-1.

Towniest wagon if you ask me

[insomnia]

You know that wasn’t a hammer right?

It’s like you’re asking for it

[insomnia]

Legend has it Bambi’s lurking

Alch, why the defense on Bambi?

Why didn’t you ask him to express his read on Sky? He didn’t do anything this game.

[insomnia]

Legend has it Bambi’s lurking

Alch, why the defense on Bambi?

Why didn’t you ask him to express his read on Sky? He didn’t do anything this game.

I’ve seen Jay as scum 3 times and my secret meta tell is that they try to make false associations and force a lot of WIFOM into the thread. I don’t see any of that in this game.

And you’re relying on experience in a game with someone that says “I change my play style according to the player list”

[insomnia]

Scum’s in ceejay / roster

[insomnia]

Actually, Bambi isn’t ruled out yet.

[insomnia]

Scum’s in ceejay / roster

Why Ceejay over Sky?

What happened to your scumread on me?

If you want a vote, have it

VOTE: Alchemist

[insomnia]

Town Even-Night Multitasking Fruit Vendor

I imagine there’s a role cop I’m a miller to.

Insomnia/Skygazer/Roster

Scum’s in those 3. I’m pretty sure it’s Insomnia. Yesterday he didn’t push me until I got a wagon on him, was still voting me at EOD, but then suddenly he just dropped the read. I don’t buy that his read just disappeared into thin air. And then when I call him on it instead of explaining it he just votes me. Y’all lynch him tomorrow.

When does town ever make that statement

[insomnia]

It reeks of implementing ideas that aren’t real and it comes off as manipulative. It’s something that you use an alibi that might not even be real.

[insomnia]

I’m not good with roles.

[insomnia]

Shit, I’d claim something crazy if my scum bud died as well.

[insomnia]

If I caught scum on day one it will only boost my ego.

[insomnia]

And with Town!Alch?

That’s in another game I think ?

[insomnia]

I still think this flips scum.

[insomnia]

Alch don’t mess with the town’s minds, just openwolf, it’s done, it’s over.

[insomnia]

There won’t be a tomorrow.

[insomnia]

Jan?

[insomnia]

Alch’s still scum.

[insomnia]

One of the neighbours is scum then.

[insomnia]

Glgl lylo

[insomnia]

Well, you better plan in advance as I am not mafia here. By the game play that roster adopted it kind of looks to me like his Fire and Ice mafia where he was scum by the way. Do what you will with that information.

[insomnia]

I think it’s Insomnia. Backup is that Ceejay is a mafia neighbouriser.

Mechanically speaking I am more suspect than a neighbouriser that rolls like 80% of the time scum?

[insomnia]

You want us to go after Insomnia tomorrow yeah?

Do solving of your own. Alch is apparently not the player that urap is praising so much, as he’s wrong on me.

[insomnia]

With the shitty meta on this website that scum always bus their teammate for whatever reason you still go for the one off wagon. Maybe you should look back and see who parked his vote on montosh then left the thread or didn’t try to solve anything after placing a vote. Or even better, their vote came out of nowhere / had no progression to it. But I mean...

[insomnia]

If I was scum I try to make sure Montosh isn’t lynched.

There isn’t really a meta to bus your team-mates D1.

There is one where you bus no matter the day phase.

[insomnia]

If I was scum I try to make sure

Montosh isn’t lynched.

There isn’t really a meta to bus your team-mates D1.

I said that it was your or Alch yesterday without Alch I think.

It’s probably one off the wagon.

Hold up, wait a minute.

[insomnia]

Looks like I don’t even have to look back lmao

[insomnia]

How the fuck do you even VCA?

[insomnia]

When was the last time ceejay was town and he lurked the whole game by the way?

[insomnia]

I think it’s Alch. Neither me nor Bambi are scum simply because we don’t put the dagger in when there’s (almost certainly) only 2 scum.

VOTE: Alch

I think it’s unlikely there’s any scum on that wagon, so if Alch is town probably Insomnia (Hey Vig).

Yeah here it is.

The only VCA tbh is that I think Montosh was all town and Alch was not.

And when will you snap back to reality and descend from your utopic land?

[insomnia]

Montosh had good posts, I still don’t know what the reasoning for his lynch was

[insomnia]

I changed my meta so I don’t get scum read based on activity when I roll scum. If you can’t read my thought process then that’s your problem. If you say scum are off-wagon when it was clear montosh was the dedicated lynch for the day, you need to seriously ask yourself if I would’ve pushed alchemist who had like 0 votes and not push through with the bambi lynch.

[insomnia]

@CJ So now, kindly, explain why Mon is town

I think I'm sold.

I didn't townread mon earlier. I was heavily concerned with how I wasn't seeing a why he is scum post at all and everyone was cool with it and going there.

Thanks for taking the time to explain tho.

VOTE: Montosh

Smells that urap will push cj after monto is lynched, drops his read when urap just talked about scum undercutting reads, why didn’t he stick with the read? And why did you not defend your read and just voted him because urap told you to do so? I mean, he didn’t, but he was pressuring you so you release it by following him.

[insomnia]

If you didn’t town read Mon, why’d you not vote and you’re only voting when you’re forced by someone else to do so?

[insomnia]

Did you actually pick the quote that strengthened your PoV despite me saying in the next fucking line that he didn’t do it?

VOTE: ceejay

Also hops on when I’m mentioning him. Sayonara

[insomnia]

Explain how the role works. I have arguments why but I want to hear an explanation as to how this role breaks down.

[insomnia]

Because you could kill them tonight.

Marking this as a shift of roster from me to ceejay. I won’t tunnel.

[insomnia]

That shift happened several posts ago but OK.

It happened too fast and for no reason.

[insomnia]

Alright then. Explain why I would neighborize and clear bambi as scum.

This is a smart way to play it if you were arguing with an idiot. I won’t get into proposing a scenario that you would later on tear apart using wifom. You are setting yourself to look dominant in our conversations, this isn’t how you defend yourself. So how about you explain why you neighbourized Bambi from your PoV?

[insomnia]

Ceejay is town. We're looking for a VT claim that is covering for a scum rolecop.

That's the only thing that makes sense in this setup. There has to be a reason for the multitask modifier on a town pr, and the only reason I can figure is so that scum can hit them with a check, see that they are multitasking, call them out on being multitasking and get them lynched, confirming their rolecop status and maybe keeping them alive.

I really don't believe that the setup would have that modifier on alch's role UNLESS there were some role that interacted with it. We mass claimed and nobody claimed a role that interacts with it, so someone is lying.

CJ can't be BOTH neighborizer and rolecop because it wouldn't be normal.

CJ is town. get your votes off him

hard disagree w this for reasons i can get into later when im not busy

Still waiting.

[insomnia]

VOTE: skygazer

Don’t do stuff that you promise you’ll do that you never end up doing.

I buy ceejay’s defense.

[insomnia]

@sky where do you want to lynch today?

This was ignored.

[insomnia]

oh right, now i remember

wolf!mon > [lil uzi vet, bambi, roster]

roster suddenly jumped on mon wagon when it got more heated but always tried to take it somewhere else

i don't think it's that likely, and would flip both lil uzi vet or bambi before going to him if mon is wolf, but anyway, there is that.

Do I trust? :thonk:

[insomnia]

Why is Urap not dead if he caught scum tbh

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

[insomnia]

Not lynching ceejay makes sense for scum urap, he lynches sky today, kills me and lets roster and ceejay 1v1 in the end because they are already displaying tunnely behaviour.

[insomnia]

I don't really believe in scum insomnia

I did promise Alch tho, and he's probably a better player than I am by a fair margin anyway, so that's where I'm going to vote

The only reason I haven't voted is in case someone has had a flash of brilliance and has legit solved the game.

When have you ever listened to someone else

[insomnia]

The fact that I’m not being pushed yet by urap is iffy. Talks with Alchemist that “If you are town then insomnia is scum” yesterday, and now he says “I think insomnia is town but I promised alch I would lynch” to then saying “I think Sky is scum”. There’s definitely an agenda behind this. And it comes down to who the final 3 players are going to be.

[insomnia]

I just said if you're town, insomnia is likely scum, and I've been saying it all day, so that comment feels like you're just trying to present as not being survivalistic

[insomnia]

Hard to keep track of your thoughts when you have so many mislynches available to you, right?

[insomnia]

Why do you bring up the fact that alch’s a great player and if he thinks that I’m scum, then I probably am as a reason to make me look suspicious but then say you town read me anyway

[insomnia]

But you’d still lynch me

[insomnia]

Urap, make a scum case on someone that you want to lynch today.

[insomnia]

I’m not going to do any ISOs unless you say “Please daddy insomnia”

Nor am I answering any questions

VOTE: insomnia

not interested in entertaining this for even a moment.

It seems like that Montosh solid accusation fell for two posts of mine. UwU. Oh, and he never "put it in words" as to why mon is scum by the way. only after he gained more info on him. not at post 100 or whatever it was. i'll probably do a proper text wall.

[insomnia]

Page 20, Mon enters the thread and urap just straight up ignored him after voting for him based on "scum hunting"

[insomnia]

Progression from urap:

1) votes mon at post 100 something because he hit on something. said he'll put it better in words when he can.

2) mon ignores him. also, he suspected bambi over urap because bambi defended urap's scummy actions lmao

3) mon leaves the thread

4) urap doesn't ask his scum read about anything, doesn't sort him at all, instead he asks stupid questions that don't reflect any thought process, just asking questions for the gist of it, and when he got his answer, he never really addressed the person's answer / straight up ignored him

5) mon joins the thread once again. posts a bit, urap straight up ignores him despite having a vote on him.

6) urap votes me based on 2 posts, seems like he forgot his scum read. Usually, when you have a scum read on someone and they're a lurker, you kind of...ask them questions when they join the thread once in like 2 days. At least that's what townies do if they truly want to sort someone. oh well.

7) villa wagons grow once again and he places his vote once again on montosh because it was a safe spot to park for spew.

8) he starts saying : "vote mon" despite not having any case on him

9) only when mon reaches L-2, urap makes the holy case on him to finally get that spicy town cred. not to mention 4 of his posts on that case were after he originally placed his vote on montosh, which was at post 100.

10) spicy town cred, lynch acquired.

And now he just has to push VT claims without sorting / presenting scum cases on any of them. It feels lazy as fuck. This whole game, for urap, it esentially was "Ask questions that are unrelated to the events in the game, park vote on mon, ask more dumb questions, get mon to L-2 and only then present a case, stop being useful to town and hunt between the VT claims without sorting them". This is not town urap. And the frustration that comes from his 1167 reads to me more like a 'Yeah, I'm scum, but your reasons are stupid and this is why watch me defend myself and do nothing else' type of frustration rather than a townie frustration, such as: 'I'm town, why the fuck are you being so dumb' .

[insomnia]

Like, if you'd put yourself in Montosh's shoes and somebody places a vote on you without saying anything about any case and says it's a genuine read, don't you confront him about the case? Especially in RVS where there isn't much info to make an accusation on? It's the easiest place to defend yourself, instead he just targets other people.

[insomnia]

This is not the town urap I know, he always asks questions and gets you into a tunnel. He is always trying to sort. With montosh he just placed a vote and he completely ignored him whenever he popped in the thread and when he gets at L-2 it is only then where he makes his case against Mon. Even now, he's not sorting anything, he's just going purely based on setup spec and claiming scum are hiding behind VT claims although he isn't presenting any case on anyone.

[insomnia]

further, if you go through Montosh's game, he used the same tone and scummy questioning with every slot except alch and insomnia

this should make him sus me out. this + alch calling me out, that is.

[insomnia]

VOTE COUNT 1.1
skygazer (2) ~

alchemist21

,

bambi jay

u r a person 2 (2) ~ skygazer, insomnia

rainn

(2) ~

montosh

, u r a person 2
bambi jay (1) ~

rainn

not voting (3) ~ ceejaynova, rosterfoster,

lil uzi vert

VOTE COUNT 1.2
skygazer (2) ~

alchemist21

,

bambi jay

rainn

(2) ~

montosh

, u r a person 2
bambi jay (2) ~

rainn

,

insomnia

u r a person 2 (1) ~ skygazer
not voting (3) ~ ceejaynova, rosterfoster,

lil uzi vert

VOTE COUNT 1.3
bambi jay (3) ~

rainn

,

insomnia

,

montosh

skygazer (2) ~

alchemist21, bambi jay

montosh

(1) ~ u r a person 2
not voting (4) ~ ceejaynova, rosterfoster,

lil uzi vert

, skygazer

VOTE COUNT 1.4
skygazer (2) ~

alchemist21, bambi jay

rosterfoster (2) ~

insomnia

,

rainn

montosh

(1) ~ u r a person 2
ceejayvinoya (1) ~ rosterfoster

alchemist21

(1) ~ ceejayvinoya

bambi jay

(1) ~

montosh

not voting (2) ~

lil uzi vert

, skygazer

VOTE COUNT 1.5
bambi jay (3) ~

montosh

,

lil uzi vert

,

insomnia

insomnia

(3) ~

alchemist21

, skygazer, u r a person 2

montosh

(2) ~

bambi jay

,

rainn

ceejayvinoya (1) ~ rosterfoster

alchemist21

(1) ~ ceejayvinoya

VOTE COUNT 1.6

montosh

(3) ~ u r a person 2,

rainn

, skygazer

bambi jay

(2) ~

montosh

,

lil uzi vert

insomnia

(2) ~

alchemist21, bambi jay

alchemist21

(2) ~ ceejayvinoya,

insomnia

ceejayvinoya (1) ~ rosterfoster

VOTE COUNT 1.FINAL

montosh

(6) ~ u r a person 2, skygazer, ceejayvinoya,

rainn

, rosterfoster,

bambi jay

bambi jay

(2) ~

montosh

,

lil uzi vert

insomnia

(1) ~

alchemist21

alchemist21

(1) ~

insomnia

[insomnia]

I'll listen to alch and not fuck up the town based on my reads because I've been having a series of trash games with the exception of one game. I will probably end up lynching sky. But if she doesn't flip scum, you guys have to lynch urap.

[insomnia]

Although every cell in my body tells me urap is scum here.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Skygazer

[insomnia]

Very vocal about pushing the quicklynch for no reason and the rest of their posting wasn’t contributing anything. That sort of player is easy to push and could be claimed as a “cut the crap” wagon.

Also you have seen my scumgame before so you’re the last person I’d want to push based on that. Calling yourself an easy push isn’t really a good defense of yourself either because you’re not doing anything to refute the actual scumread on you, you’re just trying to play the victim.

oh shit you might be town

not really defending myself tho? just saying that i could def see scum you make that push

This is suspicious as fuck, basically agreeing with Alch’s reasoning for pushing her lmao. Not a town mindset. Poor handling of pressure.

[insomnia]

why is skygazer scum? the case on me i understand from you. im not sure i get the switch to sky

The both of you flip flopped on either me or mon, roster didn’t have an agenda, he was voting whoever he seemed to scum read the most. His drop in activity level is questionable. Sky didn’t do much that I can recall on day one, I liked her opening and her defence in regards to your accusation, as in you had a shit reasoning to accuse her, but that doesn’t automatically rule out her being scum.

That and I’ll follow alch as he has experience with her.

+ her saying she will do stuff that she doesn’t do

+ her saying like 5 times “I’m juggling with blah blah blah” on day one as a reason to avoid giving reads. I’ll look back to see if she did this while mon was being a consensus lynch / he was getting heat.

Ceejay I think is town, his defense was good. Sky tried to rule out the possibility of him being a scum by making a big ass case that never got to see the surface.

My scum case on you was sort of like a reaction test to see who’d bite the bait and it seemed like roster wanted to take it, which I don’t know how I should feel about it.

Your reaction to my case was bad and it fits the wolf mentality.

I’m most likely lynching you F3 if game doesn’t end with Sky’s lynch.

[insomnia]

Roster unvoting is townie though. He had no reason to do it as you (urap) didn’t express any interest in lynching someone else, so that proves he doesn’t have a scum agenda. Neither has skygazer said anything about lynching me, so I slightly read roster’s unvote as townie.

[insomnia]

If I rule out that terrible push on mon coming from you, urap, then by courtesy of PoE, Sky should be scum here.