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[u r a person 2]

I think rainn is saying that you as scum don't defend scum!mon like that

and my understanding is that they are leaving the door open for you to either be town with a correct read or scum white knighting

That's where i'm at anyway

Yes this is what I can understand. What I'm pissed at is that I'm bwing confined to this read.

I'm sorry, you're pissed that people are trying to read you based upon your posts and interactions with other players?

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: montosh

A lot of reasons in this iso why other people's opinions are bad, and very little opinion outside of that. I'll figure out how to put it into words better later, but I think this is scum

he spent the first part of the day pushing against reads, which in my experience comes more often from scum

Like, it didn't feel like he was pushing against reads to further his own reads. It felt like he just wanted to inhibit game solving

[ceejayvinoya]

I think rainn is saying that you as scum don't defend scum!mon like that

and my understanding is that they are leaving the door open for you to either be town with a correct read or scum white knighting

That's where i'm at anyway

Yes this is what I can understand. What I'm pissed at is that I'm bwing confined to this read.

I'm sorry, you're pissed that people are trying to read you based upon your posts and interactions with other players?

It's the town!mon = scum!me stuff that drives me nuts.

[u r a person 2]

You were a pretty amazing scum that game Elsa. Hence why you should be lynched!

Too dangerous to leave alive...

If RC had been in this game, this would have set off a 30 page tunnel and for good reason.

It's pure shade

[u r a person 2]

Why was this worth a vote?

too cool for school, i don't care how many games they read

thus, lynch all liars

How do you know Rainn is lying? Like they're actually an alt?

Question posed to undercut a read

[u r a person 2]

i'm not a new player

i've one year of mafia experience in my home site

i'm an honorary shitposter as well and used to shitpost through all the forum boards

Why'd you come here then?

asked a question that was already asked and answered
and had no relevance to the game

[ceejayvinoya]

See this is the stuff I wanted to see earlier that would get me to sus Mon.

[u r a person 2]

Why was it likely that you were going to get wagoned if you unvoted? It seems like a shit wifom case

because this game is wagon heavy, and it was going to be the most obvious action in the thread to look at after dismantling jay's wagon? like, this should be fucking obvious mate

It was a trolly RVS wagon. I'd expect scum to pile on something low-info for town like that, not jump off. Don't see how that's suspicious or would get you targetted.

undercuts a read, but isn't pushing a town read on me

[u r a person 2]

It was a trolly RVS wagon. I'd expect scum to pile on something low-info for town like that, not jump off. Don't see how that's suspicious or would get you targetted.

well, it did get me targeted, so you might want to reconsider your assumptions.

Yeah but you wouldn’t have any idea on what might’ve happened, you can’t predict the future. You’re saying “I knew I was going to get wagonned” when that’s a faulty assumption. You’re using that as a defence.

This basically. Also, there're like two people asking you questions. You're not being targetted. That seems a big stretch.

more undercutting

[u r a person 2]

Very vocal about pushing the quicklynch for no reason and the rest of their posting wasn’t contributing anything. That sort of player is easy to push and could be claimed as a “cut the crap” wagon.

Also you have seen my scumgame before so you’re the last person I’d want to push based on that. Calling yourself an easy push isn’t really a good defense of yourself either because you’re not doing anything to refute the actual scumread on you, you’re just trying to play the victim.

oh shit you might be town

not really defending myself tho? just saying that i could def see scum you make that push

Why does this make you townread Alch?

question posed to undercut a read

[u r a person 2]

Very vocal about pushing the quicklynch for no reason and the rest of their posting wasn’t contributing anything. That sort of player is easy to push and could be claimed as a “cut the crap” wagon.

Also you have seen my scumgame before so you’re the last person I’d want to push based on that. Calling yourself an easy push isn’t really a good defense of yourself either because you’re not doing anything to refute the actual scumread on you, you’re just trying to play the victim.

oh shit you might be town

not really defending myself tho? just saying that i could def see scum you make that push

Why does this make you townread Alch?

aggressiveness seems genuine because it was relatively quick

Some scum are very aggressive. I don't see why that makes a townread.

undercuts yet another read

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

I'd still like to know where you get this read on urap from? Do you have some meta for that. I see no reason for scum not to be wishy-washy like that.

Frankly Urap doesn't seem the kind of guy to jump on and off his scum partner's wagon immediately. I don't know how your justifying making him a scumread for it.

more undercutting reads

[ceejayvinoya]

Can you define undercutting a read for me? Is it about making a read cheaper and seem less significant?

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

I'd still like to know where you get this read on urap from? Do you have some meta for that. I see no reason for scum not to be wishy-washy like that.

I'm kinda wishy-washy by default but okay. He took the game serious first and seems more then ready to get association tells one way or another. Good for town.

But how does taking the game seriously preclude him from jumping on and off a wagon? I don't see the connection.

i can do this all day

well, at least til the end of his iso

[u r a person 2]

It's the town!mon = scum!me stuff that drives me nuts.

right, and this is a thing we both just agreed isn't happening, which makes your anger confusing

[u r a person 2]

Can you define undercutting a read for me? Is it about making a read cheaper and seem less significant?

yes, in the eyes of other players

and also potentially instilling doubt in the person making the read

[u r a person 2]

Well then since this was an exciting 12 hours it's time for me to go to dreamland. Catch ya folks later.

And I think I'll follow you there now.

this is true of both of these slots

In my experience, feeling the need to tell people when you're leaving the thread is a scum trait

they don't want to be seen as hiding from the thread sometimes

[u r a person 2]

Spoiler: spoiled for long-form undercutting

insomnia, sky, ceejay, urap

i want you to interact with me until you town read me because i want this to be the town block in the game that i'll work with

if there is a wolf between the above players it's prob only one and later we can reevaluate

sure, why is cj town?

i don't want to say the exact reason because wolves are simply going to begin to do what i say i town read/wolf read (

note that mon only starts to "gamesolve" when you call her out

).

but in a more vague way, i would say his entire ISO doesn't seem like wolf!ceejay. not even a single post i would expect him to do as wolf was done.

to be honest i know i said for you to engage me but i'm still trying to figure out how to deal with this, because i'm someone that likes to hold their cards close to their hands until i want to go full steam, but i know i need to create a kind of townblock to make our job easier here. i don't to take hundreds of pages to get a single lynch/flip.

Him. And frankly that had more to do with keeping up with the speed of the game then anything else but okay.

I think it's kinda ridiculous not to explain at least a little why you townread someone. You say that scum'll just start to emulate that but if you already have your "townbloc" why would that matter? I'd like to know why you townread any of these people and why you're not scum trying to buddy them?

And what's all this saying scum!CJ won't do this or that? If you're a new player to this site like you claim then you shouldn't have this kind of meta here. I don't care who you're an alt of but if you are please tell us you are because it's affecting how I read you.

[u r a person 2]

@CJ So now, kindly, explain why Mon is town

[Alchemist21]

Idk URAP. That could just be their playstyle to just ask questions. I used to be the same way.

[u r a person 2]

I purposefully avoid checking people's meta because a) I wasn't there and b) it's way more work than I can do while still having fun

but if you want to research and make a meta read, I'll listen to it.

[u r a person 2]

it's more than asking questions tho. We all disagree with reads sometimes, and we all put those disagreements into posts. It's the ratio of questions that hinder game solving to posts pushing their own reads and thoughts that I find scummy

[u r a person 2]

ratio of questions/comments, not just questions

[u r a person 2]

like, they're not all questions. some are just "no, that's wrong" basically

[Alchemist21]

I’m too lazy too, I’m just giving benefit of the doubt because it’s not something I see as inherently scummy.