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[schadd_]

Vote count 2.2

Sickofit1138 (3):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer

bob3141 (2):

rosterfoster, Sickofit1138

NotAnAxehole (2):

NerfedBuJ, Nero Cain

Skygazer (1):

bob3141

not voting (5):

KidAmn, Performer, RuiRui, EeveeLution Army, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 2 ends may 22nd at 10:40 central US time; in (expired on 2019-05-22 10:40:00)

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[KidAmn]

*insert usual disclaimer about how this is a literal stream of consciousness compiled as I read through - if you don't care about the thought process skip to the end but like maybe egosearch yourself to see if I asked you a thing*

Spoiler: wall of catchup

Oh ✓ BuJ claim please.

Also, I'd like a full claim from Flavor Leaf no bullshit, because I will know. I called the BS correctly from TheWizard.

Well that escalated quickly. BTW, what happened to

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

Still not sure what the NK means for game state. like 99% sure someone on scumteam decided to off Wagonomics in the hope they could parlay that into some WIFOM bs wagon on me. it's what I'd do to me.

NerfedBuJ, KidAmn, TheWizard, RuiRui, bob3141, Sickofit1138, ELA

With bob and ela contenders for town.

Leaves me with 3 scum in 5 names. I kinda don't like rui for scum but I haven't analyzed him deeply enough to rebut performer atm.

That being said wiz would not be my first pick in those remaining 5 names but it seems like not a lot are on board with a kid lynch

I think if we bracketed off axe and his tunnel I'd say today's lynch should be in sick and buj.

But I'm not actually sure which of the two is scum, maybe sick, I just kinda feel like there's a scum in those two. Maybe sick. Hmmm

.

I don't feel strongly enough to stop a wiz lynch tho. Meh.

Let's not make any more

blatant mistakes

like that, yeah?

d1 final vote count

TheWizard (8): NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ,

nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army, bob3141, Sickofit1138, Skygazer

We are going to our doom like this, we need claims.

This insistence on claiming at the start of D2 is sketch af, esp. since presumably PRs ain't gonna be lining up to claim after Wiz. I don't see where a massclaim helps other than letting scum narrow down who they want to go on, esp since there are enough dumbfucks like me who ain't done shit this game for them to glide on by

We are going to our doom like this, we need claims.

Why though, it's more fun with less info. Also schadd knows his stuff, claims could cause hurt more than help, like I doubt a massclaim is game breaking in a schadd setup.

Oh look BuJ already said it with better words

Disloyal friendly neighbor is such a gd weird claim. I'm honestly at the point of just ignoring it and reading the slot based on play (spoilers I don't like the slot)

i mean

why would i set myself up to get

mislynched d2 as scum

i wouldnt

but at the time staying alive to get at least one result was most important, if i had retracted and claimed VT i would've been instalynched and we'd lose that one result

VOTE: sky

mostly bc of shit like this, the minute their claim is questioned it's reee self vote hands in the air, also bolded is a real weird phrasing

VOTE: bob

I changed my mind.

VOTE: bob

VOTE: bob

Speedwagon gogogo.

VOTE: Bob

Don't like a skygazer lynch at all today.

Nom is definitely obv town to me today as well
VOTE: Bob

Bob being semi-functional at the time 100% does not warrant this and there is 100% a scum in 1 of these votes, Bob might be a moron but his train of thought is logical (well, logical for bob)

Performer Im getting scum vibes from wizard but just keep getting the nagging feeling he is like Rui. Who doesnt respond to questioning and only posts often enough to not get replaced. So to me he is either scum or just a very bad townie

Im not liking Axes badgering. Cant tell if its just how he goes about it., when he think he is got his man or scum leading is in a merry dance. As I . But tommorrow we will no doubt get to hear the actual evidance axe has that wizard is lying about being town roleblcoker and that he couldnt possibly be town. As He is proceding with a level of certainity that woudl require him to have some sort of conclusive evidance. But I feel on balance he is just townie that is without convinced that wizard is scum and thus thinks anyone who doesnt agree with him must be scum

Nero is coming arcoss as town to me as he has been consistent with his scum hunting. With me not being able to find any fault with his reasoning. If he is chasing scummy townies or scum is another question. But most of his points have certainly been valid points of discussion. So i think he is town

Im not to confident that eve is town as although he is voting for the same person as me. His vote does look like . With his reason being little more than he wants a lynch and not taht he thinks wizard is the best candidate. In fact i cant find anywhere were he puts is reasoning for thinking wizard is scum. All i can find is eve saying wizard is scummier than axe and pointing out some of wizards counter calims against axe do not automatically mean axe is scum. Not sure if it is town sheeping or scum sheeping.

P.s lol i keep almost doing silly typo, were i miss an s in a certain word


I feel day 2 sky is scum unless some can vouch for him. As if no one does that means he must be lying about his roleclaim.

mm Sky you say your a disloyal freindly neigbour rather than a loyal one. If you didnt want to say you were disloyal becuase it would make the role useless. Then why didnt you just say you were simply a freindly neigbour and miss out the disployal/loyal bit. And simply target some you think is scum. Without them knowing the disloyal/loyal part.



Since no one can confirm you and at worst we will get bjue as a confirmed townie.

VOTE: Sky

@Skygazer,

After review, I don't think you're the best lynch for today. But uhm... If you are in fact fake claiming, please come clean, because that does impact our reads quite a lot I'm afraid.

i'm not fakeclaiming

i would never hard-inno a slot like BuJ as VT

buj help me TR you please

It sure seemed like you wanted to tho

The more bob posts (we're at P52 for people actually reading all this [holy shit why are you doing this to yourself my dude]) the more convinced I am they're just not super hot on this Mafia thing yet and getting scapegoated out the wazoo for it

1287 - Axe "spewed himself as town for aggressively misunderstanding my claim" but Bob "feels opportunistic especially with his nonsensical explanation for itVOTE: " - this feels like a really weird, even...

nonsensical

disconnect in reads for 2 people basically doing the same thing

Is Bob's play all that different than yesterday when he jumped on me for not explaining nom vote, even though I did? Are Bob and Axe scum since Axe disliked my Bob push?

Oh look Nero said it with better words too

Is Bob's play all that different than yesterday when he jumped on me for not explaining nom vote, even though I did? Are Bob and Axe scum since Axe disliked my Bob push?

I don't think it is, but here Bob's play is blatantly anti-town.

p. sure I said it before but here it is again louder for those in the cheap seats:

anti-town is a weasel word for "not scummy but I want to lynch them anyway"

@Skygazer I wanna go back again here right quick - 1234 you stated you used your role (w/e it is I don't even care any more) on BuJ bc. he was a Wagonomics SR - why not sickofit who was also a Wago SR? Why the guy you'd professed to wanting to TR earlier in the game instead of the guy with sweet F.A. content apart from a bunch of opportunistic wagon hoppin'?

Anyone who knows me well against me just trollin’ it out until it’s time for deep solves?

Anyone who knows me well against me just trollin’ it out until it’s time for deep solves?

but what if you die?!? lead us Boon!

Anyone who knows me well against me just trollin’ it out until it’s time for deep solves?

but what if you die?!? lead us Boon!

Hmm. Fair. I am being rather town read despite me not putting much effort here.

I never make that Wagonomics kill here, Axehole is townie, but is he scum projecting townieness, or just town.

His early comments this day phase his me to that projecting side.

Performer’s town because that’s an anti scum agenda he’s pushing out.

I want to say skygazer is town, but I’m not locked into that. I could see her reads list being entirely political.

If Nero’ scum, I’m going to get pocketed, so I’m town reading Nero, but he will fall through the cracks for me.

Yo this is impressive, we got WIFOM, fencesitting, and that final sentence that makes about as much sense as an episode of WWE Raw

s/o to 1316 for reminding me how little actual content/attempts to gamesolve Eevee has posted today (pot kettle yada yada I know)

then why call him anti-town and not scummy?

Same thing, scum do anti-town things. I think he's scum.

Town do anti-town things too. The difference is sorting the intent behind it. You don't seem to have much interest in doing that.

Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

It’s probably Kid.

See comments at start of this wall re: lining up a wagon on me out of Wagonomics' death

Roster, Nomnom, Eevee, Bob, sickofit

I believe have 2 scum, possibly all 3.

If not all 3, 1 is in Performer/Nero/Rui/Kid, probably the ladder half.

I guess gotta just narrow down now.

What are some reasons to town read any of those players of the 5

im pretty sure nom is town tbh. personally uh i think bob might be the best one of the five lemme check smth

GIMME AN O! GIMME A P! GIMME ANOTHER P! GI-fuck it I can't be bothered OPPORTUNISTIC AS FUCK

End of P54 marks the beginning of Axe/Nero tsundere bullshit I'm not here for it just kiss already

sky doesn't seem all that scummy to me but her "I'm going to target krazy's biggest scum read!" and doesn't target the guy he's voting for kinda makes me worry about like a sky/rui rui/kid team

Like... same, but without me in it?

I'm gonna be real w/ y'all here I am super checked out of this Nero/Axe bullshit to the point that I could almost believe the ironic scum theatre joke isn't ironic

either axe is scum or a very specific role that i think he might be

More hot garbage, must be a Flareon (seriously, this post contributes actual 0 of any use)

So, town in my alternate Universe: Performer, nomnomnom, BuJ, RuiRui, KidAmn and Eevee. Probably bob too by voting.

It's weird right?

I also think that Rosterfoster might be town, but I honestly did not pay attention to him on the re-read.

minus Nom & Eevee and I'm p. much here rn

@skygazer @kidamn @bob @ruirui @performer @rosterfoster @BuJ

I think this game is solved, we lynch Sickofit today.

Reasonable but disagree for now

I don’t think Kid and Rui Rui are both scum

I mean I know at least one of us ain't

What are these two possibilities?

I don't like talking about hypothetical worlds. How about you claim your role?

more rolefishing bullshit following a claim to know what Nero is, except we've gone from the Axe approach of "he's either scum or this one precise thing I thought of" to just straight up "Nero tell me what you are pls"

how about you stop rolefishing.

You claimed a guilty for someone, I have a good reason to ask you to claim your role.

I HAVE A GUILTY ON AXE!

I'm choosing to believe this is intentional bullshit to try and 1/1000000000 shot get a claim because nobody can physically be this dumb and still be able to operate a keyboard well enough to sign up for a game

catch up 2nite

are we really doing sick over bob

w/e

VOTE: sick

wow, that was quick. 15 minutes from "are we really doing this" to "I'm doing this"

if he flips scum, we lynch his associated partner tomorrow

if he flips town will you stop leading town into bad lynches?

I am willing to bet on this one same as I was on wizard not being roleblocker.

Everyone in this game can see that TheWizard is the clear best lynch, some people are hesitant because there's no resistance to the wagon, other because they are scum partners. Well, look there is now resistance to the wagon. Let's lynch him, I get proven right. If he flips town, lynch me day 2.

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

Does that include the no-balls retraction and running away the day after again, ooooor...?

Softclaim & full claims as VT are just counter productive.

Aight I'm done, there's like 3/4 pages of Nero Axe BS I don't wanna wade through at 1am but suffice to say that shit ain't TvT

I like Axe/Nom/Eevee/Sick as todays lynchpool, getting strong "bus the teammate who ain't doing shit for us" vibes on Sick's associatives w/ the rest of that group
Sky's claim is still sus af and I legit could not tell you why but I have a gut "off" feeling on Flavor Leaf, consider those null
Everyone else can be town for now

Floor is open to questions

[nomnomnom]

Here's my question:

Where's your vote

[KidAmn]

Shit you got me fam I spent an hour and a half reading up p. much all of day 2 but forgot to vote

VOTE: eeveelutionarmy

[NotAnAxehole]

Shit you got me fam I spent an hour and a half reading up p. much all of day 2 but forgot to vote

VOTE: eeveelutionarmy

I actually agree with a lot of your analysis, despite the few unfortunate points. I accept the conclusion you've come to that I might be scum because Nero and me aren't TvT.

I think one tiny bit of setup information will align us 100% based on this post, I won't get into it now, but it's been softed quite a lot and it relates to the roleblocker situation as well.

If you could take a leap of faith, we're actually almost there.

[NotAnAxehole]

I actually thought we were going to lose, but this last post from KidAmn inspires a lot of hope.

[KidAmn]

Shit you got me fam I spent an hour and a half reading up p. much all of day 2 but forgot to vote

VOTE: eeveelutionarmy

I actually agree with a lot of your analysis, despite the few unfortunate points. I accept the conclusion you've come to that I might be scum because Nero and me aren't TvT.

I think one tiny bit of setup information will align us 100% based on this post, I won't get into it now, but it's been softed quite a lot and it relates to the roleblocker situation as well.

If you could take a leap of faith, we're actually almost there.

yeah see there's a problem here

sort of

the problem

which is that i don't want to take a leap of faith or a ride through the love tunnel or indeed any kind of fairground ride with you rn

[NotAnAxehole]

Shit you got me fam I spent an hour and a half reading up p. much all of day 2 but forgot to vote

VOTE: eeveelutionarmy

I actually agree with a lot of your analysis, despite the few unfortunate points. I accept the conclusion you've come to that I might be scum because Nero and me aren't TvT.

I think one tiny bit of setup information will align us 100% based on this post, I won't get into it now, but it's been softed quite a lot and it relates to the roleblocker situation as well.

If you could take a leap of faith, we're actually almost there.

yeah see there's a problem here

sort of

the problem

which is that i don't want to take a leap of faith or a ride through the love tunnel or indeed any kind of fairground ride with you rn

It's ok, we will come together before the end of the day I think, whether through claim or wagon strength.

Our reads are identical minus the couple role related differences.

[Nero Cain]

Axe's tone shift is odd and scummy. I guess one of his team got on and yelled at him in the PT.

[KidAmn]

if he flips scum, we lynch his associated partner tomorrow

if he flips town will you stop leading town into bad lynches?

I am willing to bet on this one same as I was on wizard not being roleblocker.

Everyone in this game can see that TheWizard is the clear best lynch, some people are hesitant because there's no resistance to the wagon, other because they are scum partners. Well, look there is now resistance to the wagon. Let's lynch him, I get proven right. If he flips town, lynch me day 2.

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

Does that include the no-balls retraction and running away the day after again, ooooor...?

Softclaim & full claims as VT are just counter productive.

[/spoiler]

Also you didn't actually answer what changed to make you go from "if he's town wagon the shit out of me also I'll claim 1st thing D2" to "well no i was right he wasn't town RB oops look at the time it's more bad lynches o'clock" and suddenly y'all are real buddy buddy

you got something you wanna share with the class fam-a-lam?

[Performer]

Why does everyone get so fucking defensive all the time?

I didn't get the defensive tone from nerfed but I got it from notanaxe vs nero instead.

Why is performer town? Seems to be a popular opinion.

popular how? you and nero keep bringing up "why am I town" as a constant topic. I don't even remember why you guys scumread me anymore.

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe's tone shift is odd and scummy. I guess one of his team got on and yelled at him in the PT.

No, it's just how I treat townies

[Performer]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

Turbo this.
VOTE: Rui

[EeveeLution Army]

Shit you got me fam I spent an hour and a half reading up p. much all of day 2 but forgot to vote

VOTE: eeveelutionarmy

Idm claiming if you want. My role probably wont be much benefit anymore anyway.

[NotAnAxehole]

if he flips scum, we lynch his associated partner tomorrow

if he flips town will you stop leading town into bad lynches?

I am willing to bet on this one same as I was on wizard not being roleblocker.

Everyone in this game can see that TheWizard is the clear best lynch, some people are hesitant because there's no resistance to the wagon, other because they are scum partners. Well, look there is now resistance to the wagon. Let's lynch him, I get proven right. If he flips town, lynch me day 2.

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

Does that include the no-balls retraction and running away the day after again, ooooor...?

Softclaim & full claims as VT are just counter productive.

[/spoiler]

Also you didn't actually answer what changed to make you go from "if he's town wagon the shit out of me also I'll claim 1st thing D2" to "well no i was right he wasn't town RB oops look at the time it's more bad lynches o'clock" and suddenly y'all are real buddy buddy

you got something you wanna share with the class fam-a-lam?

Not at the moment, but just know we have common ground on our reads, it'll be made clear throughout the day I think.

Honestly, I didn't claim anything today because I felt the non-roleblocker flip meant automatically that I was some form of informed Towny, therefore claiming was a bit pointless.

[Nero Cain]

you and nero keep bringing up "why am I town" as a constant topic.

actually, no? Yes I was/am scumreading you but I don't think I've ever asked anyone why they are tow reading you.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

Turbo this.
VOTE: Rui

Can we not?

[Performer]

I mean maybe Flavor Leafs whole one of Rui Rui/Kid is scum is just scum that knows one of you is his buddy but I also don't like performer and I'm full of myself and 1365 makes sense to me and would be a perforemer/rui rui/kid team.

The way I see the vcs was that 1 or 2 were likely on thewiz wagon, and 1 or 2 were off it. Really doubt all 3 were on thewiz.
wagonom/fl/I/nero were not on that wagon because we played right, but people like rui/kidam who were not on the wagon and the way they went about d1 (voting me and wagonomics) raised alarm bells

[Nero Cain]

that I was some form of informed Towny,

you ARE informed. Just not town.

[NotAnAxehole]

that I was some form of informed Towny,

you ARE informed. Just not town.

Stop it, like... How would scum even know theres no roleblocker unless they were all goons?

[Performer]

But i appreciate the Night Kill protection.

+1

Bob’s town

Bob, answer my question please.

VOTE: rui
VOTE: sickofit

[EeveeLution Army]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

Stop it, were not lynching performer. If Sickofit is scum, which I am very confident, this game is auto

What do you mean by auto?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not saying that I'm saying that scum is naturally informed and thus you aren't lying about being informed.

I don't think Sick flips scum here. I expect Axe to push me tomorrow and claim that I'm scum that knew he was town and then on the chance that I'm wrong he'll push me as a buddy that defended him.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

Stop it, were not lynching performer. If Sickofit is scum, which I am very confident, this game is auto

What do you mean by auto?

I mean, I there is an associative tell and additional set up information that will make it very easy to identify scum, possibly not so easy to lynch scum... But who knows... Depends how résiliant Town is.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not saying that I'm saying that scum is naturally informed and thus you aren't lying about being informed.

I don't think Sick flips scum here. I expect Axe to push me tomorrow and claim that I'm scum that knew he was town and then on the chance that I'm wrong he'll push me as a buddy that defended him.

I don't know that I ever push you tomorrow. You can settle down now.