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[LucianRoy]

Our reads are like the exact opposite with him towning the B's.
Also if this is true

err ofrhz and me started a scum!skitter wagon d1 and lynched in a game that just finished so i like to think i can read her

Then why wasn't this brought up/bragged about earlier?
Like I would expect there to be more interaction between the 2 if that was the case and that's not a thing so....

Seems like a wild goose chase to me, but suit yourself.

How

good

do you think your reads on the B pool are?
Honestly, the same question could go to @ofrhz.

Buj: #1072 feels like he's trying to stir stuff up for the sake of stirring things up as opposed to actually "solving" and is making AtEs that I don't buy

Spoiler:

And since my entry post is apparently so scummy how about a little context. I had no interest in joining this game

In fact I would expect at least one paranoid townie thinking me v. Skitter was theater also but that didn't happen. Instead I get called out for 'bad logic'

Why am I wrong in misreading such theatrics as SvS distancing?

His slot struck me as inherently aggro. By arguing these posts are trying to sew discord in the town and distract away from his own scumhunting, I think you're taking them out of context in regards to the tone he's set for the entirety of the game so far.

What didn't you like about his AtE with skitter, (besides the melodramatic overreaction obv)? And do you disagree entirely with LUV's reasoning in 749

BEF: APPARENTLY has a "naturally" scumy posting/playstyle even as town (played with in Autumn'sfarewell and was fed this meta over there), but the "laziness" the "semi-troll" ISO and his "D1 BEF wagon = scumtell" nonsense still ping me even when filtered through the meta lens. Also I REALLY don't like

Spoiler:

I have been passive maybe semi-intentionally

No comment since I have no stake in their meta. Their play didn't seem that troll to me honestly. I thought the jokes in their posts were pretty obvious, but I'll revisit this if it turns out I was supposed to take them more seriously, and they have no ulterior reasoning.

BoomBoom: uh..... have you ISO'd him recently? If he doesn't step up then....

Boom is the lowest hanging fruit imaginable. I think it's safe to say anyone here could come up with ten reasons why boom is scummy, and they'd all be good reasons, but does that make him scum? Time will tell, but atm I think context is indicating otherwise.

[LucianRoy]

I'm 3 for 3, on a roll here.

[Vorkuta]

The specific reason why I can’t actually talk about right now

ah yes *redacted* reasons.
I'll buy it

[skitter30]

yeah we can talk about that later if we want

[LucianRoy]

@skitter, since you said you were trying to appear scummy, could you go back and clarify some things? Notably your 719 naked town read on ofrz, and your inexplicable gutping for LUV being scum in 818. I liked a couple of Luv's takes so far this game, and some of their analysis seemed very town!mindset to me.

Those are my reads on both of them; i wasnt trying to be scummy in either of those posts

Can u point to some of luv's takes that u liked and explain why?

Firstly, I agree with their take on Buj's response to your push on him earlier in 749.

In addition to that, it was probably an overreaction, but I kinda like just how confrontational it is in some ways. In other words, luv's analysis makes sense and doesn't seem faked to me. I also liked the way they tried to dissect my attempt to analyze TLK's iso in 401 in their 708 by comparing it to their own. It was non-conclusive, but I can easily see it being town motivated.

Also, speaking of TLK I really like his push on Vork, and don't really feel the doubt I had about his slot anymore. He's town for that, and other things in hindsight.

i had a very similar take - i also called bujaber town for this reaction. why is this a reason to townread luv even tho you kept your vote on me after i called bujaber town?

Because I can scumread you despite who you're townreading?
I don't really want to argue this for obvious reasons, but luv did it better imo. More articulate. Your 743 didn't exactly say why.

[Vorkuta]

How good do you think your reads on the B pool are?

I mean look it's D1, and I in my grand total of.... 10~15(?) games on this site, I don't think I've had a STRONG/SOLID correct D1 scum read, however that doesn't mean I'm going to completely roll over and give up on trying.
I see things that ping me, and I say that stuff.

With regards to the "tone" that Buj is setting- I only received gut pings and other people's cases against him made sense. Ofc I'm going to say it was "more-or-less independent" of my read on him but... yeah.
town!buj would feel like the type of player who wouldn't have to resort to such measures and would've responded more "levelheadedly...?" (if that's a thing)

I don't see a difference between a Baezu wagon and a BoomBoom wagon. Literally (to me) the only difference between the 2 slots is that Baezu jumped on Skitter while Boom was afk/offline/

lurking

while that exchange took place.
Seeing as we can't get anything out of Baezu (V/LA) in the forseeable future, let's Boom.

[skitter30]

Because I can scumread you despite who you're townreading?
I don't really want to argue this for obvious reasons, but luv did it better imo. More articulate. Your 743 didn't exactly say why.

i mean i kinda want to argue this, because while you don't need to sort me, i need to sort *you*

a) why exactly were you scumreading me earlier?

b) why is luv's explanation being more articulate a reason to townread him there?

[Vorkuta]

I'm 3 for 3, on a roll here.

What mean by this?
reads..?

[ofrhz]

How good do you think your reads on the B pool are?
Honestly, the same question could go to @ofrhz.

I'm pretty comfortable with calling BEF town

Less sure with Buj

Even less sure with Boom

Why?

[LucianRoy]

Because I can scumread you despite who you're townreading?
I don't really want to argue this for obvious reasons, but luv did it better imo. More articulate. Your 743 didn't exactly say why.

i mean i kinda want to argue this, because while you don't need to sort me, i need to sort *you*

a) why exactly were you scumreading me earlier?

b) why is luv's explanation being more articulate a reason to townread him there?

A) Well if you go back all the way to my original vote, it's because I didn't like your TLK tr, but my mind changed on that over time, and I find tlk's disposition pretty townie atm. And you pinged me by casting some doubt on FL's and Fire's abilities to read you. I also didn't like your push on Buj even prior to his reaction.

B) Because I can see his thought process better, and thus judge his demonstrated game solving intent more likely to be coming from town.

[LucianRoy]

I'm 3 for 3, on a roll here.

What mean by this?
reads..?

pagetops
or inconsequential shitposting

[LucianRoy]

With regards to the "tone" that Buj is setting- I only received gut pings and other people's cases against him made sense. Ofc I'm going to say it was "more-or-less independent" of my read on him but... yeah.
town!buj would feel like the type of player who wouldn't have to resort to such measures and would've responded more "levelheadedly...?" (if that's a thing)

Are you saying this based off meta? Or based off sizing them up as a player?

[LucianRoy]

How good do you think your reads on the B pool are?
Honestly, the same question could go to @ofrhz.

I'm pretty comfortable with calling BEF town

Less sure with Buj

Even less sure with Boom

Why?

I wanted to know if you thought they were weaker reads or not. Why is BEF the best of the three here?

[ofrhz]

I've played with scum BEF, and he didn't really do anything there. He feels more comfortable and engaged here.

[Vorkuta]

pagetops

*grrrrr*

Are you saying this based off meta? Or based off sizing them up as a player?

Sizing him up as a player. I don't have a completed game with him yet.

[LucianRoy]

Sizing him up as a player. I don't have a completed game with him yet.

MMmmm, from what I've seen I'd argue otherwise, but I'd rather let him and his actions speak for himself.

[LucianRoy]

I've played with scum BEF, and he didn't really do anything there. He feels more comfortable and engaged here.

Ahh, meta, gotcha.

[skitter30]

lucian what's your read on krazy/ank?

[LucianRoy]

I don't know Krazy well enough to say the rep in and of itself is AI, so I'm considering it NAI for all intents and purposes. Prior to that, their posts seemed kinda neutral at times, and their shift onto me is so bs. "I iso'd Lucian, and I have nothing to show for it --> vote"

Ank seems oddly reticent to me, like they shifted their stances post read-through and never really explained why. That said, they never really explained their earlier reads in the first place soooo... yeah. Gun to my head, I'd be perfectly fine lynching there toDay. Their vote on Creature isn't that great b/c... they never really addressed him about anything when they said they wanted to sort him? Only voted? Nor did they point out why they thought Creature was scummy to justify said vote?
Even after considering all this, I sort of agree with FL when he says he's uncertain if Ank would be this blantant, (moreso in my case b/c unfamiliarity), but at the same time it's at that degree where I wouldn't invest the effort to second guess myself, and just do it.

I also like Sau for town, so I'd be fine voting with him.

[LucianRoy]

Yeah, considering both Krazy and Ank were interested in Vork, that makes it doubly intriguing.

Plus it's possible town!Vork's scumreads are just plain bad given his bad reasoning.

[LucianRoy]

VOTE: Ankamius

[BrightEyedFish]

Btw I had no intention of following through on a skitter lynch- I voted based on FL's suggestion and would've unvoted (have proven track record of doing this) on intent to hammer.
The wagon progression was to help people scum hunt.

You guys have seen my readlist in #445 right?
Please tell me all of you have seen this before throwing out accusations

I am pushing Buj independently- he's just not responding to me

Why would you vote anyone if you are not willing to lynch there. I get reads can change but RVS is long over. I believe you were looking to hop in on a mislynch...

[LucianRoy]

@BEF how about your take on Ank?

[BrightEyedFish]

Feels kinda bad I haven't done any meaningful read, not even a skim. Though I think Lucian is town.

Lucian is also my strongest TR atm

[BrightEyedFish]

Do you like Isoing? How about Vork's, any thoughts on his?

@BEF how about your take on Ank?

I am null leaning town on Krazy but I'm leaning even more town since Ank replaced in. I don't like his push on Bae though. I think vork is the way to go today.