Large Normal 220: Jazz Mafia [Game Over!]

[Enigma]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

[Enigma]

I know Elsa has potential to claim weird shit as town. But I only know town!Elsa.

elsa's also fake claims shit as scum and takes stupid gambits

Elsa would do this as town too, fwiw.

yah acknowledge that, hence the word also
and then the 2nd part of the quote

don't want to deal with guessing elsas gambit

[BrightEyedFish]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

Do you think scum!EJ would make fake vig threats to anyone who hammers when she knew scum!a50 was about to get lynched?

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

[Creature]

Yeh, I'm getting cold feet about this lynch.

[Enigma]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

Do you think scum!EJ would make fake vig threats to anyone who hammers when she knew scum!a50 was about to get lynched?

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

there was a good possibility that the a50 lynch would not happen considering the deadline
all they had to do was delay, and sell a no lynch as the best option

and yes i do think scum!EJ would do that, i mean EJ would do that generally so it is nai

[BrightEyedFish]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

Do you think scum!EJ would make fake vig threats to anyone who hammers when she knew scum!a50 was about to get lynched?

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

there was a good possibility that the a50 lynch would not happen considering the deadline
all they had to do was delay, and sell a no lynch as the best option

and yes i do think scum!EJ would do that, i mean EJ would do that generally so it is nai

Today, I don't think there is anything that would make me choose to lynch EJ over saudade. Now we can go back and forth on these two cases or we can go in another direction...

Baezu. Was the buzzer beater hammer a scum bussing action, I think it highly likely. The A50 slot was already SR before he repped in with his scum claim entrance. That A50 lynch could have very well been orchestrated by scum.

SO right now my D2 lynching order is Saudade -> Baezu

[Enigma]

tbh baezu could have just as easily avoided the thread if she wanted to save her scum buddy, maybe she would get lynched for it - but at any case the scum team would still be up one compared to now

[Elsa Jay]

They couldn't avoid the thread when you specifically called them out for being online though.

[Baezu]

I mean it's just annoying either way

I just want to know who he shot and why he thinks it failed before we move on

Yeah, that’s good info to know.

We learn that, then we discuss, then we kill Saudade. Sounds like a solid plan to me. Good idea, Something.

Similar thoughts.

Agreed

[Baezu]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

Do you think scum!EJ would make fake vig threats to anyone who hammers when she knew scum!a50 was about to get lynched?

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

I agree saudade flip is the best info we got

[NerfedBuJ]

I feel like people are missing the point.

Elsa claimed vig but there was only 1 night kill.
She was either lying or she killed skitter and scum shot was blocked somehoe.

I don't understand why people have started questioning mafia basics and making up all sorts of convoluted reasons not to lynch someone scummy.

[Saudade]

ya but then why did you say: elsa isnt shooting anyone tonight

It was obvious. Do you really think EJ would listen to Saudade about who his target should be and actually follow through with it? I wouldn't have listened to Saudade if I was vig or any other targeting role.

but it wasnt just saudade saying it, there were several of us saying it
not to mention his threat about shooting whoever hammered a50

Do you think scum!EJ would make fake vig threats to anyone who hammers when she knew scum!a50 was about to get lynched?

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

I agree saudade flip is the best info we got

Why do you pretend to have an opinion? Doubt you are reading the game

[Saudade]

So much resistance to someone so scummy

[Saudade]

Its like some people that put Elsa to L-1 forgot why they put him at L-1 to begin withcbefore the claim and suddenly I am scum incarnate lmao

[Saudade]

Some of you have very low IQ im afraid and theres no cure for that

[Saudade]

I have put some real effort into this in between interactions reads and personal analysis and then this one monkey who cant say anything else beside haha u claim mason d1 u scum!!!11 repeatedly over 100+ pages tells me i have no content

And then theres this other monkey who on one side wasnt near as involved in a50s lynch as some other players and still dares to claim I CAUGHT SCUM, get real son you got carried hush now, and on the other side decides to vote me when my wagon consists solely out of the people he expressed a scumread in the past.


And then theres the monkeys inbetween who honestly have no idea whats going on in the game and just saying gibberish and throw their votes around like bananas

[Saudade]

I am big dick mason

[Skygazer]

VC 2.07

Elsa Jay (6): Saudade, ofrhz, Lil Uzi Vert, Creature, NerfedBuJ, Enigma
Saudade (5): BrightEyedFish, Elsa Jay, Baezu, The Last Knight, Flavor Leaf
BrightEyedFish (1): Vorkuta

Not Voting (3): LucianRoy, Tet, Something_Smart

With 15 alive, it take 8 to lynch. Day 2 will end in (expired on 2019-06-06 13:00:00).

Mod notes: featuring serj tankian ??

[Saudade]

Wheres Lucian

[Saudade]

Vorkuta vote back Elsa Jay my dear put that shit at L-1

[Saudade]

Then Luci tet or ss can hammer for mad bigdicktown cred

[Enigma]

A saudade lynch will clear or incriminate EJ based on his flip. That's the best course of action to take right now. What good info will we get from a town or scum EJ flip... nada is the answer.

didnt you want to lynch baezu d1?
what would the info behind that have been?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m not saying you didn’t play a part. I’m saying that Skitter did a majority of the pushing and casing on Krazy/Ank.

But Skitter didn’t get the lynch. She just had the IC cred. The Krazy was something else because of the VCA at the time, and not reading the replace out as AI until later, which I effectively stated in my casing.

And during that time, I was in a 1v1 with Skitter as well, so i was directly tied into everything there, and was literally part of it when Krazy replaced out.

I have nothing on Ankamius because I wasn’t there.

Skitter didn’t push the wagon, they just scum read it and gave it as an option.

I pushed it as the way.

really tho what do u think of his vote on me?

If he’s scum and you’re town, looks like an opportunistic vote.

If you’re scum, and he’s town, looks like he trusts my read.

Neither is more likely than the other if it weren’t for you being scummy here.

I feel like Krazy is best kept alive for now. We can just keep watch on him.

Yeah, skitts, I understand your gambit. You did well.

If Krazy is town, then that means we got a Fire-Skitter-Flavor-Krazy townblock, which means scum have to do something about us

I think it’s best to just see what happens with Krazy in the game.

Krazy slot could be scum, but I’m willing to give that a couple days to make sure.

That Skitter wagon has scum on it. No full scum team sits back and watched FL vs Skitter and doesn’t add fire. Had Skitter not been IC, she’d have been flipped, which gets a high priority lynch.

Firebringer/Vorkuta are the ones who had reasons to go there. This is Day, so in theory it could be picket attempts, but that would be obvious later in the game, so no need to worry too much about it there.

Lucian’s being mislynch bait.


PEdit:

Now he’s wallposting. Great. At least one of Baezu/Krazy have scum in them

I feel like scum are bouncing back and forth between Lucian and Vorkuta as their mislynches.

I don’t know if Ank would be that outright scummy as scum.

Maybe she would, haha. I’ll wait for her to talk more. I’m wanting to give her the BOONefit of the doubt.

Here’s my stuff on Krazy/Ank. There’s probably more.

I even stated there was 1 scum in Krazy/Baezu, but for obvious reasons, I was going to let Krazy by. I even almost called Ankamius to scummy to be scum and pondered if they would be so scummy as scum. Then A50 came in, and all those chain links I was piecing together became straight red.

This really isn’t saying anything at all. It’s a stream of consciousness that contains a lot of declarative statements mixed with some hesitation. I can follow it but I wouldn’t call it exactly pushing the slot.

Skitter actually placed a vote down in 941 and followed it up with reasoning in 947, 955, and 956. She also pushed it again in 982. She states a bit of her experience with Krazy and tried to get what wasn’t considered a missing in action Baezu at the time to join the wagon (982). Her reasoning was ignored and just completely forgotten about once Krazy replaced out but I consider that actual pushing.

A re-read of her interactions with Ankamius was just rehashing that she’s scum reading her for Krazy’s actions but there was some original reasoning that Skitter had. Mostly tonal vibes but it was made very clear in my opinion.

I’ll give you A50. That was all you. I don’t even know what I’m arguing to be honest. Maybe my paranoia is rearing it’s ugly head again. There’s just something about the braggadocio that feels a bit disingenuous. I also don’t like the bravado either because it felt to me you were more absent overall Day 1 despite your massive post count.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who's townreading A50?

All 5 of the wagons right now are on town.

UNVOTE: A50

Let me think about this..

I was gone for a bit, and came in with unsure reads and was going to reaction test.

If I was ever scum with A50, he never would have been lynched Day 1. End of story, lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who's townreading A50?

All 5 of the wagons right now are on town.

UNVOTE: A50

Let me think about this..

You also literally ruin every single reaction test of mine.