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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:45 am

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Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?
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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:47 am

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This is a chess game at this point. Once you understand that scum!blake is compromising herself by wanting a TDC lynch, the answer should be obvious. If there is one mislynch to make, it's there. Nowhere else.

Anything else is subpar and is going to cause you to end with 4 unsorted slots tomorrow.
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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:49 am

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Pretty sure Blake was default lynch. She's not compromising herself, just trying to take some down with her.
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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:50 am

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A blake mislynch ends with my death.

A MJL mislynch ends with us making no progress on all the other slots.

A Saudade mislynch ends with us making no progress on TDC/Blake.

A LUV mislynch is less optimal than a TDC mislynch because of today's unfolding.

A me mislynch results in Cheeky's death and you are left with the 5 most ??? slots having to re-sort the game between themselves, and that spells death.

The only correct move is a TDC lynch.
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:51 am

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In post 1552, TDC wrote:Pretty sure Blake was default lynch. She's not compromising herself, just trying to take some down with her.
That's fine, that means we at least get to F3.
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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:52 am

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I told you. This is a chess game. By playing like this, scum is bound to make a mistake at some point.
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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:53 am

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In post 1550, Blake Belladonna wrote:Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?
No. I need to reread.

Oh maybe. How well do you think Skitter reads you?
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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:59 am

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To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:59 am

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TDC who do you think is scum?
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:01 am

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In post 1556, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1550, Blake Belladonna wrote:Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?
No. I need to reread.

Oh maybe. How well do you think Skitter reads you?
She has yet to ever have a confident read on me, I believe. I think she is probably one of those players that could see through my scumgame with enough experience with it, but she is completely hopeless at recognizing my town game from what I have seen. She has always second guessed her townreads on me at some point.
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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:01 am

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blake saudade/luv
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:03 am

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In post 1557, TDC wrote:To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:05 am

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In post 1559, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 1556, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1550, Blake Belladonna wrote:Is there anything you need from me immediately, Cheeky?
No. I need to reread.

Oh maybe. How well do you think Skitter reads you?
She has yet to ever have a confident read on me, I believe. I think she is probably one of those players that could see through my scumgame with enough experience with it, but she is completely hopeless at recognizing my town game from what I have seen. She has always second guessed her townreads on me at some point.
I will admit that I only remember four games with skitter, for posterity.

1. SvS, scum already won by the time I replaced in, really didn't need to do much.
2. SvT, skitter had a nullish townish read on me iirc, I shot her night 1 because I needed to manipulate the endgame away from her + Invisibility
3. TvT, skitter flip-flopped a lot, started at a scum read, then a townread, then started second guessing it until it was blatantly obvious I was town.
4. TvS, skitter died before I altslipped so this is barely relevant, plus I don't think we ever interacted.
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:06 am

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It bothers me that saudade has been thrown around yet noone ever votes him. The closest I got to lynching him was a 2p wagon day 1.

Blake hammer and admitting her scumgame has improved is giving me pause.

Where the hell is LUV.
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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:07 am

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In post 1561, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1557, TDC wrote:To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.
How so? blake lynch is auto when I flip town.
So all there is is potentially nk choice..
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:07 am

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In post 1563, CheekyTeeky wrote:It bothers me that saudade has been thrown around yet noone ever votes him. .
In post 1553, nomnomnom wrote:A Saudade mislynch ends with us making no progress on TDC/Blake.
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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:08 am

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In post 1564, TDC wrote:
In post 1561, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1557, TDC wrote:To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.
How so? blake lynch is auto when I flip town.
So all there is is potentially nk choice..
Potential NK choice? You just laid down a roadmap for scum and predicted a F3. How does scum do anything else in this configuration>
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:09 am

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i'm not convinced you die first, and maybe the order is relevant? not sure.
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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:10 am

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I don't buy the TDC/blake interactions as TvS nom. If you could flesh that out?
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:11 am

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Why would scum keep me alive when both of you are adamant on me being town, as well as Cheeky?

Saud and MJL have both expressed concern towards my slot, that's the only thing that could potentially make me reach F3.
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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:11 am

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Also, not sure I feel much better with you instead of MJL. *shrug*
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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:11 am

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I don't usually express my townreads in depth but I'll try for TDC.
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Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:14 am

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In post 1568, CheekyTeeky wrote:I don't buy the TDC/blake interactions as TvS nom. If you could flesh that out?
The way the back and forth went, mostly.

Again, whatever happens, if this is scum!blake, her going for TDC is eventually pitting her against a wall. So I think that we are either dealing with town!blake, or scum!blake has already accepted she's going to be lynched eventually and trusts her partner to win this in F3. Those are the two scenarios I see in this game.

It all comes down to who you think is a better asset as town here. And the answer is town!blake. This is a game of chess from now on. You need to take the most logical move and force your opponent to make a mistake.
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Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:15 am

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If TDC and Blake is TvT, this is a colossal town failure and we have no business of winning this. Just like you guys insisted of having a scumpool of 3 low posters. So you need to go with the most rational move.
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Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:15 am

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nom: Just to make sure. Are you voting me because you think your survival for one more day (you seem convinced you don't endgame) is more important than making the better lynch here, or do you really think I have higher probability of flipping scum than blake?

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