open 759: house party (compleded)

[Inbred Lannisters]

Also, in regards to the fake hammer, why were we not asked to claim?

If you wanna claim, now's a good time, go ahead.
Snap response please, so we know it's not fake.

-Joff

[Yumeko Jabami]

lynch

Yumeko Jabami (8):

Skygazer, Uncle Bob, PenguinPower, Titus, Kirari Momobami, Hell Knight, RedPanda, Mary Saotome

Hell Knight (3):

Yumeko Jabami, duppin, Inbred Lannisters

Titus (2):

Fuscosco, Edgar Allan Foe

not voting (1):

Raya36

lynch

Hell Knight (7):

Yumeko Jabami, duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Inbred Lannisters, PenguinPower, Kirari Momobami, Titus

Yumeko Jabami (3):

Uncle Bob, RedPanda, Mary Saotome

Mary Saotome (2):

Skygazer, Fuscosco

PenguinPower (1):

Hell Knight

not voting (1):

Raya36,

So the players who voted on both HK and Yumeko are: Titus, Penguin, Kirari.

Actually, Kirari never voted me at all (aside from rvs, but their vote moved)

[duppin]

Fair enough thanks for the correction.

Still votes are pretty different but not enough information to really conclude anything at this point

[Hell Knight]

We are VT

Wish it was more exciting than that...

-bae

[Hell Knight]

How are people feeling about penguin?

[Hell Knight]

And kirari as well

PP and kirari are my top scum reads but I would be ok lynching Mary as well

-bae

[Hell Knight]

Baezu would you be willing to answer my questions?

-KING Joffrey THE GREAT

Yes I am here and ready to answer your questions- shoot

[duppin]

I was considering moving my vote to Mary actually, but forgot she was being replaced so would like to hear from the replacement first.

As for Penguin you already know my thoughts. I simply don't know how to read his play. Ironically I think the most townie thing he has done was his push on you

I think Kirari is town

[duppin]

Oh and Raya is being replaced as well I see. Well I hope they are replaced soon because I'm not a fan of their slots

[Inbred Lannisters]

Okayyy let's start with some starter questions.

Leaning RC town, leaning volxen/auro scum

Fwiw, you’ve been much more town since

Now,

why

were we still a leanscum for you at that time if we were "much more town since"? Walk me through what you were thinking exactly then?

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight

If nance thinks he’s obvscum and we think he’s scum, let’s vote here

VOTE: PP

I think he was buddying us when he proposed us for the party

Why did you not feel he was buddying you when you sheeped his vote? Why did you sheep this party vote, instead of the rest?

I also don’t like your PP null read

PP has made enough posts for people to have a solid opinion on him...I get your reasoning on keeping him in your null pile but it just seems non commital

What were these posts, and how did your "solid opinion" come about?

Your reads seemed really... fake to me, so some explanation of your motivations/thoughts would help.

-Joff

[Hell Knight]

Joffrey whats your read on penguin?

Think I mentioned this before. I'm leaning scum, but I dunno. Nancy however thinks he's obvscum.

-Joff

I want you to ignore your general read and look at the party votes and his last few posts.

If nance thinks he’s obvscum and we think he’s scum, let’s vote here

VOTE: PP

I think he was buddying us when he proposed us for the party

And I fell for it

-bae

This feels completely fake. The party that Penguin was pushing consisted of himself and widely scumread players (HK, Skygazer, Raya36):

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight

If I have to wear a bowtie, I'm rocking the cane, monocle, and tophat as well.



My first party...I'm so excited.

So he obviously wasn't "buddying" you by pushing that party, because the party consisted of scummy players. And you're not only claiming that he buddied you, but that you "fell for it" and only realized it now, after you thought Nancy declared Penguin "obvscum?" (which she didn't actually say that Penguin is

im assuming this is a rhetorical question? If not, can you rephrase it please

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

Same

I feel like is scum subterfuge and obfuscation- kirari doesn’t seem like the scum in all of this and neither do the Lannisters, Red panda is prob also town so it’s making yumeko look worse and worse

-bae

The tone and language of "scum subterfuge and obfuscation" feels exaggerated and fake. There's also really no explanation of how the "scum subterfuge and obfuscation" has anything to do with "making Yumeko look worse and worse".

I’m really not liking duppin’s reads

At all

-bae

Duppin is bleeding obvtown. This attempt at shading him is really bad.

I didn’t like the fact that raya and Mary were scummy in your list

They haven’t been very active, so why aren’t they null?

Mary has been a lot less active lately, but she had a lot of readable content earlier in the game, including her defense of you and her push on our slot. So why can’t Duppin have a genuine scumread on Mary based on the content that she does have in this game?

he absolutely can, starting to think Mary is scum as well

I also don’t like your PP null read

PP has made enough posts for people to have a solid opinion on him...I get your reasoning on keeping him in your null pile but it just seems non commital

-bae

This doesn't make sense if you really believe that Duppin should be nullreading Mary. Penguin has produced readable content, but so has Mary. Why is it unacceptable for him to have a nullread on Penguin, but you take issue with him scumreading Mary? Perhaps he finds Mary easier to read than Penguin. Your grasping at straws and shading an obvtown slot.

Caught up through page 20.
- duppin: entrance and subsequent play is fine, but he's too good as town and scum to read this early.
- Penguin: doing nothing, but then put out a couple reads. Looking townier but adopting a Not Mafia playstyle, which I would be glad to PL at any time.
-

Lannisters: not happy to learn that Auro's in the group. That took them down to null for me. BUT, I like that he called out Bae for not posting - not so much in an accusatory way, but seemed like he really wants input. Up to lean town

.
- Fusco: page 14 note: "Fusco looks bad this page. Maybe scum that made a strong opening and is now coasting?"
- Titus is looking better. At first the

I need VCs

shtick seemed off, but she's looking better as she goes.
- Red Panda seems obvtown

Yeah, I'm not buying your "read progression" on our slot at all. I don't buy that Auro's mere presence in our hydra initially dropped us down to a nullread for you. Yes, Auro has won several scum games by deepwolfing, but he also has a really solid town game (see: Starcraft II for example) and as Nomination Mafia proved, it is possible to distinguish town!Auro from scum!Auro if you really know what to look for and know how Auro plays on a deep level. Auro's skill at deepwolfing aside, he's obvtown in this game and I'm not buying this narrative that you had concerns about him being a deepwolf.

You also said here that Penguin is "looking townier", but you still have your vote on him, and Baezu even wanted to lynch Penguin because she falsely believed that Nancy said he is "obvscum". And you said here that you would like to lynch either Yumeko or Mary:

Top lynch choices rn are: Yumeko, Mary

-Pers (last post was me too)

So why are you still voting for Penguin? And who do you think is scummier between Yumeko and Mary?

i still think penguin is scum. Between yumeko and Mary I think Mary is definitely scummier. Persi and I don’t agree on our reads- he thinks yumeko is scummy I don’t anymore

Lastly, you said that Fusco's posts on page 14 were bad. These were all of Fusco's posts on page 14:

it's a very titus idea

my issue with it is one of preference.

I haven't really sorted this game. Ill look today or tomorrow.

I don't think that forcing scum into the party intentionally is good.

I dont think putting 'popular' players into the party is good.

I dont think putting 5 players that you cant 100 read or lynch without social dramahs is good

The hood should be used to restrict kills, not sus out theories.

Which of those posts did you find scummy, and why? And why did you say that Fusco had a strong opening but now appears to be coasting? I don't think that Fusco's play has changed significantly from the beginning of the game up to now.

i don’t remember thinking fusco is scummy- this seems like her town game to me

- Cersei Lannister (Volxen)

Questions are answered in bold in quote. Also, I think that the fact that Persi and I don’t agree on our reads should be town indicative because scum would want all their ducks in a row

-bae

[Yumeko Jabami]

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

Same

I feel like is scum subterfuge and obfuscation- kirari doesn’t seem like the scum in all of this and neither do the Lannisters, Red panda is prob also town so it’s making yumeko look worse and worse

-bae

What happened to me looking worse and worse?

[Yumeko Jabami]

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

Same

I feel like is scum subterfuge and obfuscation-

kirari doesn’t seem like the scum in all of this and neither do the Lannister

s, Red panda is prob also town so it’s making yumeko look worse and worse

-bae

And kirari as well

PP and kirari are my top scum reads but I would be ok lynching Mary as well

-bae

Your reads contradict your own posts, it's not a question of hydra dissonance anymore, you're making stuff up

[Hell Knight]

Okayyy let's start with some starter questions.

Leaning RC town, leaning volxen/auro scum

Fwiw, you’ve been much more town since

Now,

why

were we still a leanscum for you at that time if we were "much more town since"? Walk me through what you were thinking exactly then?

before you guys became 3 headed you were coming across as scummy to me- I can try to locate the exact posts...

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight

If nance thinks he’s obvscum and we think he’s scum, let’s vote here

VOTE: PP

I think he was buddying us when he proposed us for the party

Why did you not feel he was buddying you when you sheeped his vote? Why did you sheep this party vote, instead of the rest?

i didn’t feel like he was buddying me at the time it happened but after I was writing my thoughts down to persi in our Pt I started realizing that it probably was...I literally changed my mind in mid sentence- you can check it out at EoG

I also don’t like your PP null read

PP has made enough posts for people to have a solid opinion on him...I get your reasoning on keeping him in your null pile but it just seems non commital

What were these posts, and how did your "solid opinion" come about?

like I said, from my POV, once I realized I was being played, penguins proposal was totally buddying and pocketing...not sure why he would do that to persi or me since we are often lynchbait but there it is

Your reads seemed really... fake to me, so some explanation of your motivations/thoughts would help.

-Joff

[Hell Knight]

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

Same

I feel like is scum subterfuge and obfuscation- kirari doesn’t seem like the scum in all of this and neither do the Lannisters, Red panda is prob also town so it’s making yumeko look worse and worse

-bae

What happened to me looking worse and worse?

PERSI THINKS YOURE SCUM, I DISAGREE

[Hell Knight]

Also, in regards to the fake hammer, why were we not asked to claim?

Because it's mountainous FFS.

I'd vote you myself if you weren't my partner.

[Hell Knight]

^ Pers

[Hell Knight]

Yes I thought you were being scummy- persi was convincing me you were

[Hell Knight]

Also, in regards to the fake hammer, why were we not asked to claim?

Because it's mountainous FFS.

I'd vote you myself if you weren't my partner.

I don’t mind- if you hate this game that much we can self vote and try a different game

Sorry persivul

-bae

[Yumeko Jabami]

How did you go from thinking Kirari wasn't scum in 930 to her being your "top scum read" in 1180?

[Hell Knight]

All I wanted to do was hydra with you- I think you’re an awesome player And an awesome hydra partner and I really like the way you think

[Hell Knight]

How did you go from thinking Kirari wasn't scum in 930 to her being your "top scum read" in 1180?

So should me reads not evolve throughout the game?

If I’m scum yumeko, who’s my partner?

[Yumeko Jabami]

Im really wary of all this focus on

1: the hood composition post-formation
2: Assuming theres a deepwolf post-formation
3: Pushing a lurker wagon like its a civic duty


its really shit

Same

I feel like is scum subterfuge and obfuscation- kirari doesn’t seem like the scum in all of this and neither do the Lannisters, Red panda is prob also town so it’s making yumeko look worse and worse

-bae

What happened to me looking worse and worse?

PERSI THINKS YOURE SCUM, I DISAGREE

You signed that post that says I was looking worse and worse, pointing to your hydra partner doesn't make that go away

[Hell Knight]

What are you gonna do when I flip town?

That’s gonna make your tunneling look really bad

[Yumeko Jabami]

How did you go from thinking Kirari wasn't scum in 930 to her being your "top scum read" in 1180?

So should me reads not evolve throughout the game?

If I’m scum yumeko, who’s my partner?

A pointless question, I don't plan on doing any pre-flip work

Explain how your read "evolved"