open 759: house party (compleded)

[Inbred Lannisters]

I was writing my thoughts down to persi in our Pt I started realizing that it probably was..

She's not posting in our PT.

So... that was a one-time "thoughts" post and she never posted in the PT after that? What was the situation exactly like, Persivul?

-KING JOFFREY

[Hell Knight]

@mod please replace us out, sorry

[Inbred Lannisters]

I'm really sorry if you're town and you feel bullied.

-Joff

[Hell Knight]

^bae

Sorry guys, persi is not enjoying this game nor the hydra...I’d normally not replace out but I don’t want to make anyone suffer...thank you guys for understanding

-bae

[Hell Knight]

I’m not feeling bullied, joff, I’m used to this kind of attention as town tbh

[Hell Knight]

But thank you for your concern!

[Yumeko Jabami]

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If you decide to replace out, PLEASE PM me and don't post in thread after doing so - if you want to rescind the replacement BLEASE PM ME AGAIN and dont post in thread until i have been like "ok np"

[Yumeko Jabami]

On the subject of Hell Knight: That was a lot of appeal to emotion. The fact remains that they lied about multiple things:

1) Baezu posted that I was looking worse and worse, when questioned on it they pointed to persivul and said they didn't scumread me... but then they were the one who posted that
2) Baezu's read on Kirari went from not being scum to top scumread, when asked to elaborate they started deflecting, they asked "who is my partner", "what are you gonna do when I flip town", and said "your tunneling will look bad" - this is all deflection, they were not able to answer how their read on Kirari changed, or indeed even why they were scumreading Kirari
3) One head says Baezu isn't posting in pt, the other head contradicts that

So.... I'm going to remain voting HK. I don't see how this can come from town

[duppin]

Here is what I am thinking:

I think HK believed he was lynched when Inbred said so. It is definitely not unheard of that scum will still pretend to be town at that point, but I thought the reaction was rather townie. I hate townreading people for something like that, it almost feels like townreading someone for a dumbtell. But I genuinely believe the reaction was town.

I am not going to read into them wanting to be replaced.

I would also like to mention that we are already waiting for two other players to be replaced. With that in mind I'm actually leaning towards lynching HK. I agree he has played a scummy game like an insanely scummy game actually but his reaction did bother me and my read on him. With that said I still think there is a possibility he could be scum and I his flip would certainly give some information (although if he is town, then I find it difficult to question the votes on him. In fact I might take a look at the players defending him in that case because I have a hard time understanding why people would townread him) + I'm not sure I feel like waiting for his slot to be replaced anyway

[duppin]

It's also a bit frustrating that the slots I dislike the most are all waiting for replacements. There are a couple of reads I need to revaluate.

[Kirari Momobami]

Fusco panda and sky where are you all on hk?

[Auro]

I'm really confused as well. Their play has been.. bizarre.
I'm trying to figure this out but for anyone who has experience playing with town!Baezu, looks like she does get mislynched a bunch: has her pre-lynch play ever consisted of heavy contradictory flails and AtE? Asking about why we didn't ask for a claim makes it seem like she's highly unaware of the game, and I'm not sure this could come from scum (who *must* co-ordinate to an extent in their PT, right?) Would Persivul really see 1144 (saying they were lynched) and then say "Cool, we were town" a few posts after a mod post count showing they weren't? It also looks like they weren't communicating with each other even in their final posts - which is weird for either alignment but I feel is actually towny?

I don’t mind- if you hate this game that much we can self vote and try a different game

Would scum!Baezu actually sabotage her scumteam by proposing to self-vote first? (Assuming she wasn't faking this)

-Joff

[Inbred Lannisters]

I'm really confused as well. Their play has been.. bizarre.
I'm trying to figure this out but for anyone who has experience playing with town!Baezu, looks like she does get mislynched a bunch: has her pre-lynch play ever consisted of heavy contradictory flails and AtE? Asking about why we didn't ask for a claim makes it seem like she's highly unaware of the game, and I'm not sure this could come from scum (who *must* co-ordinate to an extent in their PT, right?) Would Persivul really see 1144 (saying they were lynched) and then say "Cool, we were town" a few posts after a mod post count showing they weren't? It also looks like they weren't communicating with each other even in their final posts - which is weird for either alignment but I feel is actually towny?

I don’t mind- if you hate this game that much we can self vote and try a different game

Would scum!Baezu actually sabotage her scumteam by proposing to self-vote first? (Assuming she wasn't faking this)

Whoops
-Joff

[Kirari Momobami]

This plausibly flips town but for me the bigger question is persi. The play here is within Baezu's townrange but I am less certain that this is what town persi looks like. I kinda just a little don't buy him forgetting he was in this game for a week for one. Still fine with seeing a flip here.

[Inbred Lannisters]

His VLA was genuine, Kirari. What motivation would he have to not post till a couple days ago if he were scum?

-Joff

[duppin]

I don't see how him not being around for a week is alignment indicative

[Kirari Momobami]

My thought would be that he probably didn't like playing scum, although I guess you're right that he might have actually been out of town for a few days. I thought he said he just forgot he was in the game

[Kirari Momobami]

Due to some miscommunication and a VLA, I didn't even know this game was going on until this morning. Will catch up today/tomorrow.

- Pers

Yeah, I guess he was out of town in addition to this?

[Kirari Momobami]

But if he was just out of town why wouldn't he just say he was out of town?

[Titus]

Arguably, he could be proposing self-hamerring if his buddies are already on.

That doesn't fit with the easy to counter narrative though.

[Inbred Lannisters]

But if he was just out of town why wouldn't he just say he was out of town?

I mean he just thought the *a VLA" was enough, in any case I doubt this says anything about their alignment...

In any case I think I'll wait for all the replacements to arrive and talk: Since around 4 slots are pending reps I think we can get another extension?

-Joff

[Kirari Momobami]

It's hard to self-hammer when you're not at l-1

[Kirari Momobami]

UNVOTE:

[Kirari Momobami]

Now l2! Guess we're waiting for replacements so that they can give reads before we hammer hk slot anyway

[Titus]

But if he was just out of town why wouldn't he just say he was out of town?

I mean he just thought the *a VLA" was enough, in any case I doubt this says anything about their alignment...

In any case I think I'll wait for all the replacements to arrive and talk: Since around 4 slots are pending reps I think we can get another extension?

-Joff

+1. Pretty sure HK is scum but I don't want the game to turn on the alignments of subs.