Mini Normal 2073: ~ramblings~ (game over)

[Skygazer]

VOTE: Una

[Skygazer]

the conftown pagetop has spoken

[Skygazer]

get ON this WAGON

[Skygazer]

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we kill Skellen, check DEB.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because then we have confirmation in a Roleblocker or Zulfy lying.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Skellen flips scum, that just eases my Vorkuta-Skellen interactions, and I think the final scum is probably Titus in that scenario.

[Skygazer]

VOTE: skellen

get ON this WAGON

[UnaBombaH]

Some food regarding Vork/Zulfy is imo #1203, where Vork asks what to do if Zulfy turns out to be a PR. Zulfy was at L-2 at that time and during his D1 inactivity phase before Zulfy showed up and claimed for the first time he was a PR. Before that we already got that (#1190) from Vork where he was nervous of a premature hammer on Zulfy (well and Titus). Zulfy's #1295 also fits well in it, even although he voted Vork just three posts later out of survivalism.

This seems like decent work.
I should be reading full individual ISOs to actually get back into the game I think, but unless my memory is completely messed up, people tended to lean on scum!Skellen?
Why?

I am a little afraid I have entered a Zulfy/Una tunnel at this point, but still.

Wait what?

What is imo interesting between Vork and Una is that Vork began at one point to scumread Una, but never really did anything about it.

Probably afraid that I'd go full deathtunnel on him?
I've been very inactive for most of this game already, but he knows the type of shit I do once I get a hold of a solid scumread.
I'd assume he was content with me having a scumlean on him as long as I wasn't provoked to do the full effort of scumcasing him.

Another point regarding Una himself. I didn't understood the Succinct lynch on D2, in fact besides FL no one really gave a reason why they lynched Succinct.

To be honest, I don't remember my reasoning either.

He said he would like to lynch him over me (although my points also went down and there was already a wagon on me).

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If this was the case, then I'm not that surprised? I think you and James were my strongest initial townreads, and probably thought you were a competing wagon (mislynch) pushed by scum.

occam's razor says FL's claim is just town unless scum had info about the loyal fv ahead of time or it was a gambit to get SS to out themselves that just happened to synergize with the loyal fv

As much as I dislike the idea that I'll have to trust FL based on a claim (any claim for that matter), I think I'll just have to agree with this.

He probably couldn’t narrow down who scum was so he got paranoid and thought I was scum pulling a fast one.

I have a huge problem with believing both you and Zulfy are town. Balance. How do scum win a setup like that?

I must've missed something because I don't understand this statement at all.
Aren't they a Vouyeuyer+Disloyal FV?
How is that "too strong" even in a scenario where scum have three goons?
And considering that if scum have any roleblocking capabilities, they can just take that synergy away..right?

Once myself or SS claimed, if scum have a Roleblocker, we essentially become useless. Voyeur can semi handle that, but I think we were closer to a breaking strategy moreso, but that relies on zulfytown to be a breaking strategy.

Exactly.
And these past few posts makes me lean more towards town!FL as well.

Ok my initial pass says don't lynch Skellen or Unabomber.

UnaB is town here, yes.

Also, Vorkuta stated last game in Musicals he wanted the bragging rights of beating me in his first scum game. That didn’t happen, so this was a revenge like game for him.

He made me lose my conftown, and then his partner is probably pushing me or chopping at me now.

I can actually see Vork trying something like this!

[Titus]

My VCA clears unabomber.

Una, jump onto deb.

[UnaBombaH]

If Flavor or Zulfy is scum, one of them had to fuck up the claim situation. My VC says not Skellen or Una tentatively. If this flips scum and FL and Zulfy agree to target the same person, it's gg.

So far this still seems like the best post though.
Not sure if it's ever going to be this easy/simple though.

..and if it's "simple", it would be FL+DEB?

Here's the situation. My tentative VCA says no Skellen or Una. Sky is a Mason. You and Zulfy self-resolve if only one is left. PoE leaves DEB as the ideal lynch.

Agreed-o. Logical.

I am think FL is scared imo. From his perspective, I should have a zero percent chance of being scum if I understand correctly.

What does this mean though?

Roleblocker was never discarded. Even if you’re town, I think there’s probably a Roleblocker still.

We just went through an analysis stating giving scum a roleblocker would underpowered town.

I always suck at setup-spec.ing, but I'm not sure if I agree with this.

I also have a proven meta that I don’t bus, so if you think I needlessly push Vorkuta like I did, you’re scum. Simple as that.

I'm always at a solid 50/50 when you say stuff like this.
Like, YOU specifically having to say it out loud yourself always makes me wonder if it still holds true here.

Unah’s got town equity because I’ve never seen him not interact with me a lot when he’s scum. He always tries to like talk me into something or seeing something his way when he’s scum.

He tries to pocket me. He hasn’t done that here. Unah’s town. He did this on HitAlt vs me as well.

This is true.
Scum!Una either shoots Boon to the face (back, actually) or puts all the effort into pocketing him.
And town!Una (here, here) refuses to ever 100% trust Boon no matter what.

Deb town bc inactive is a reach. Town's winning. Scum should flail or lurk. Deb is lurking.

Good to hear we are winning now.
I feel so out of this myself, so I count on one of you to drag me through this..

I'm lurking because VT boring as all hell.

I usually sort of enjoy this as well, although I like to spend time on insane crumbs and gambits, but I sort of fell out of the loop before, and therefore struggle to get back on top of things.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll put down my vote in ~12hours.
I need to make up my mind about the claims so far before I do.
I want to feel good about them before committing to a vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck. Unah knows how to pocket me. Check that sig.

VOTE: Skellen

@Zulfy - Targeting DEB.

[Skellen]

.......

Silly, when I offered my cooperation for the lynch I didn't meant you should lynch me. lol

That's L-1 btw.

[Skellen]

Like you just have to look at the nks...

D1 Ausuka - Has Una/DEB as strongest scumreads - dies (over PR!Zulfy)

D2 S_S - Has Una/DEB as strongest scumreads, also don't lynch Skellen either - dies (ok PR, but I am a bit salty, so let me)

D3 Creature - Zulfy/DEB as scum, Skellen might be town with fruit claim - dies

People: Excellent, it's Skellen.

[Skellen]

To be honest, I don't remember my reasoning either.

blameitonethealcohol, amirite?

Can't say I like this. I mean Succinct got literally lynched for no reason. That's a bit worrying. It should be worth to look over the wagon dynamics back then on D2.

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If this was the case, then I'm not that surprised? I think you and James were my strongest initial townreads, and probably thought you were a competing wagon (mislynch) pushed by scum.

Well, yes. Considering your were voting Succinct I interpreted #2350 that you scumread me as well. Although it also wonders me why you didn't go for DEB later when you were around in #2386 when Succinct vs DEB was 3-3 in vc. Basically that's why I wondered the most why one of your initial strongest townreads had the vote priority over DEB.

[Skellen]

Won't be around tomorrow and it's night here, so there won't be much from my side anymore. But I think I have said about all slots what I needed to say.

Symbolic vote VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

I figure no Zulfy today and I don't want to roll over like that, although it won't do much. I think going after Zulfy/Una tomorrow will probably win this. Maybe it's also DEB, but we will see.

[Zulfy]

UNVOTE:

Skygazer

[Zulfy]

I'm gonna need you to stop scumreading me.

[Zulfy]

Not gonna happen eh

So hey let's lynch me cuz scum is clearly banking on me being lynched @ LYLO.

[Skygazer]

bruh we lynch skellen 2day dont unvote

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, maybe there's a layer of AtE somewhere under the surface that just gets to me, or I just townread their posting, but..
I don't feel comfortable voting Skellen.
I think Dr. EBO claiming VT seems reasonable, and after rereading the claimed results and votes from D2 makes me think I have no reason to suspect either of FL/Zulfy claims.
Leaving me with???
SkyG is a mason.

[UnaBombaH]

Phoneposting is da best.
What I was about to finish with, was that this leave me with only Titus.
And to be frank, I do not see her as obvious scum either.
And since I assume we need to find two more scum anyway, it still means I am misreading one of the slots no matter what Titus is.
Ech.

[UnaBombaH]

Would Titus consider my slot worth pocketing?
Her insisting that I'm town based on VCA obv. makes me more hesitant to vote her.
This game would be way easier to solve if FL was just scum here.
Then it would be FL+Dr. EB 9/10 times.

[UnaBombaH]

I am not sure if it's antitown at this time and age, but I really want to put my foot down on not voting Skellen.
I'd even lynch Dr. Esso over her.
Probs. even Titus.