OK let's look at this again. I remember feeling resistance to Egix being scum primarily for
1063, which is a post that I think very infrequently comes from scum. This is the main reason I resisted redirecting the Sasha wagon onto Egix in earlier game. I'm pretty sure you're alive in lylo pretty much because I townleaned you for most of the game due to 1063.
In post 21, Egix96 wrote:Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...
VOTE: Ausuka
No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee
Actually don't hate this awkward opening and it's the sort of weird thought process slightly more likely to come from town
In post 32, Egix96 wrote: In post 29, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: In post 21, Egix96 wrote:Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...
VOTE: Ausuka
No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee
Something about the tone of the bolded bothers me.
Do you dislike playing town?
No, not at all. But I'm amazed that I've managed to rand town five times in five mini normals. No idea what the actual odds are of that but it's a stark contrast from my rand luck in open queue...
Seems kinda ok?
In post 104, Egix96 wrote: In post 39, skitter30 wrote:
i don't particularly like this post, the first line kinda feels like you felt the need to randomly share that you're town which feels a little ????? and meh
In post 44, ChannelDelibird wrote:
If you were town, I would find it pretty hard to believe that you were genuinely astonished to be so (you know what the odds are every time you join a game!), especially given that apparently you've been scum in other game formats anyway. Maybe there'd be a "huh, OK then!" to yourself upon reading your role PM but caring so much that you brought it into the thread in such an overblown "wow, can you believe it!?" sort of way? No, it doesn't feel right.
I made my opening line OTT on purpose because I knew that people would react to it, and I hoped to gauge people's alignments early on based on said reactions. So:
- skitter's reaction reads slightly towny to me, my gut tells me it's more like awkward town than waffly scum
- urap2's is null I'm afraid
- But CDB feels like he's being too aggressive here. Not sure if the overexplaininess (my laptop redlines that, is that even a word?) is normal for him but to me it feels like scum taking the bait. Like, if he's scum, he's probably thinking "oh, awkward town, better push on him".
This kinda ruins my reason for wanting to tr you early tho, since now your weird sort of natural expression is reimagined as a reaction test that doesn't really amount to much and doesn't really seem to have a sort of town agenda.
In post 165, Egix96 wrote: In post 125, ChannelDelibird wrote:Feeling pretty iffy about RuiRui so far. Most of her posts so far are pretty surface-level stuff ("Inferno, you're moving too fast with your reads" without really talking about what that might mean, or "well now nobody can use that for info" after the comment about reactions to LUV) without truly engaging in anyone's alignment. Need to see more evidence of desire to actively uncover the scum rather than just reacting blandly to a random post here or there.
*Reads her ISO*
I'll admit, you're not wrong there. She does feel underwhelming compared to last game so far.
Really don't like this post, I would say it primarily reads fake rather than scummy but fake can be scummy
In post 176, Egix96 wrote:
I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)
I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.
On the one hand, I like that someone in this game bothered to townread Sasha. On the other hand, using meta as an excuse to pocket Sasha seems like something scum would do, given that you don't really expand or explain this reasoning or really engage at this point to derail the wagon. The problem here is there's no way to separate this from you garnering towncred for a green flip given your lack of involvement
In post 204, Egix96 wrote: In post 185, Sashaddin wrote:I think I'm going to quit playing Mafia, I always end up being lynched in the first days and that doesn't help town at all.
Assuming that you're not faking here:
But I have personally never witnessed you being lynched in a game (in schadd's game you got NKed iirc, and then in Mewtaph's game you were in danger at one point but I helped to turn things around and get scum lynched instead) so I don't get why you're upset here.
I don't hate the townread on Sasha but I do feel like a large chunk of your early iso is like exclusively focused on his slot. I *could* see that if you planned to solve around him, but I don't get the impression that's what you're doing, and white knighting someone you think won't scumread you later is something scum can do
In post 702, Egix96 wrote: In post 695, High Risk Gamble wrote:
It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?
I generally find forming townreads to be easier than forming scumreads. Normally on Day 1 of a game I end up having a good number of townreads but rarely any strong scumreads, only leans in that direction.
So yes, at this point RuiRui is the closest thing I have to a full scumread.
On the whole this can easily come from town but there are certain types of scum players that struggle to advance any sort of agenda in the early game and eventually just try to come off as though they have to be talked into bussing which they will eventually do. Like the strategy here would be to conflate passivity with sorting when they're not the same thing.
What exactly was spicy about the skitter scumread? I feel like there's no reason to see this as not s/s
In post 769, Egix96 wrote: In post 742, skitter30 wrote:
Dont like the first post, the second two are nai imo
VOTE: sash
^^^^ entirely a compromise eod vote. I dont scumread him and i dont think he's flipping scum
If you're voting just to compromise, Rui is a better choice here
You just said HRG's scumread of skitter was "spicy" but this kinda doesn't feel like you engaging with someone that you just were inclined to re-evaluate based on a fresh read from a slot you didn't know was scum (HRG)
In post 1056, Egix96 wrote: In post 966, bob3141 wrote:And i think this little proding has drawn out sash sucm partner. It ceratinly explains why chb was killed rather than some off teh wagon
Looks like high risk gambler is sash partner
In post 965, High Risk Gamble wrote:We're not voting Sash or URA today.
Sash is just an easy target right now for a mis lynch.
If you think Sash is scum, then hold on to that for now until I can be bothered to explain why you're wrong and explain to me why X or Y are scum instead so we can work towards an actual lynch.
Gamble is practically begging to be lynched if Sasha flips red. Seems way too obvious for them to be scum together if you ask me. It would be wiser to just bus.
Very, very easy to see this as S commenting on another S
In post 1250, Egix96 wrote:
Goodbye other me
I mostly just wanna chill this weekend but if anyone wants anything from me, ask away, I'll check back later.
One thing I notice about your playstyle here that maybe I will investigate more later is your usage of emotes and sadness for certain players being around/not being around, even though you don't really seem to be hanging out with those people that much when they're in the thread. idk what to do with this just something I can look into more tomorrow when I dive deeper.
In post 1270, Egix96 wrote:VOTE: Ausuka
Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob,
1191 specifically.
In post 1392, Egix96 wrote: In post 1378, Garmr wrote:
I'm completely willing to lynch the other two since they aren't on my town list. I can even
pretend to be scum
for you while lynching them! I'll make a make pretend Private thread in game, I'll invite
another
townie
lets say Bob
, Bob is fun.
No need to pretend!
Bake 'em away, toys
What does this post mean? Not arguing this is AI btw, just curious
In post 1688, Egix96 wrote: In post 1675, Detective Pikachu wrote:Yet I don't feel like Egix is a lurker, and this isn't really any different for his post rate than when he posts as town.
Yeah you can't really read me based on activity/post count. I'm not a heavy poster and I have a history of lurking as both alignments.
==
@Garmr: Would you say that my meta read on Sasha is a bad reason then? Should I just drop it?
Like, it's really hard to believe you believed Sasha was town if you're not really going to engage in the actual meta discussion at all. Given you bring up your own games in your own self-meta, I feel like this is a really underwhelming meta-defense reaction to a push on Sasha
In post 1785, Egix96 wrote: In post 1781, skitter30 wrote:@garmr: yeah, weak hider didnt fit my understanding of what the setup would look like *at all* which is why the claim confused me - i was half-expecting a vigi, since it's a miller of sorts to me, but weak + detective is just ????
@exi:
A) i don't crumb usually, i forget to do so most of the time
B) why did u ask me this (and not, say, ausuka who apparently didnt crumb an inno)?
@exilon: what are you thinking of urap and gamma rn?
(Egix =/= Exi but ok)
a) That's okay, I don't usually crumb either
b) I was thinking that if you had a crumb to back up your claim then it would help.
So yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and
VOTE: Ausuka
For me, it doesn't make sense for her to barely mention the person she's supposed to have a VT check on.
Would feel so much better about this being a town push if I had not been the one to already make the argument. Unfortunately being IC is difficult because it's hard not to feel like you saw the IC pushing this slot and realized it wasn't going to endgame and it was better to get on sooner than later. But it is hard to evaluate your reaction here vs. urap straight up ignoring me and hard defending Ausuka which is more open wolfy, although he reevaluated pretty quickly so *shrug*
In post 1905, Egix96 wrote: In post 1900, Ausuka wrote:UNVOTE:
I think that the mason PT comments above make it very clear that the masonry is real; upon urap's enquiry Garmr is instantly able to provide direct quotes in bob's style from the mason PT. In order for Garmr and bob to be scum here they'd need to have faked mason conversations in the scum PT throughout the game. And while I suppose that's
possible
it seems very unlikely for them to timesink like that for a mason claim they don't even always get to do, and while I've seen scum consider claiming mason and have even considered doing so I've never seen anyone literally fake false conversations in their scum PT. So it's very unlikely Garmr/bob are scum here.
Urap seems obvtown here and although skitter would be my ideal vote because I don't think the setup makes sense with us as t/t, I think people wouldn't want to lynch skitter over me so I'd rather go for Egix. I think that his jump on me at daystart was opportunistic - although town was obv voting me they were at least willing to act questions and consider I was town I think (det pika) whereas Egix decides I'm scum just because I didn't soft my inno, and doesn't even think about the possibility that the risk of softing an inno and possibly getting caught was larger than the practically non-existent reward of getting my result out upon getting killed - I mean who kills me n2?
Besides if egix is town who's scum? Pika, Garmr, bob, gamma, me are all out. That means only one town exists inside {skitter, egix, exi, urap} and I'm much more inclined to think that's urap, who has made me much less likely to be lynched today, while the other three have all been thirsty for my blood.
VOTE: Egix96
The thing is though that I don't really see what motivation scum!skitter would have for counterclaiming you, considering that:
- Her claimed role is not the same as yours; it's not a direct counterclaim
- It's not MyLo/LyLo yet so scum!skitter can't yet win the game by winning a claim duel with you.
Not only that, but I find it implausible for there to be that many potential clears at this stage (IC + 2 Masons + Town Neapol + VT checked by Neapol) as that's far too townsided imo. (Scum achieving two mislynches but getting borked out of a win because they missed the PRs... doesn't seem like good balance philosophy at all to me.)
This is such a good post but I guess it just feels off (and I guess this pinged skitter too) because it's weird you don't have this sort of clarity almost anywhere else in the game
In post 1981, Egix96 wrote: In post 1966, skitter30 wrote: In post 1905, Egix96 wrote:The thing is though that I don't really see what motivation scum!skitter would have for counterclaiming you, considering that:
- Her claimed role is not the same as yours; it's not a direct counterclaim
- It's not MyLo/LyLo yet so scum!skitter can't yet win the game by winning a claim duel with you.
Not only that, but I find it implausible for there to be that many potential clears at this stage (IC + 2 Masons + Town Neapol + VT checked by Neapol) as that's far too townsided imo. (Scum achieving two mislynches but getting borked out of a win because they missed the PRs... doesn't seem like good balance philosophy at all to me.)
a) you agreeing with me is pinging me
b) i didn't really directly cc so much as express my incredulity that her role is town. i think she probably is a nea, just a scum one
a) You don't think that scum!me would try to downplay your claim though?
b) Do you think that you'd have been able to "express your incredulity" (as you put it) without hardclaiming?
Really dislike "a" here and also kinda dislike "b"
The biggest problem here is more that this is the first time reading your iso I would be aware that Skygazer is in the game; your interactions with HRG are pretty noncommittal and don't really feel that much like sorting so this does seem to kinda come out of nowhere.
but why exilon over urap? I dislike that bob hammered when NEITHER of your votes make sense to me and this was the critical moment we needed to actually have a conversation. but I also understand that I tend to be a bit more... slow paced than some people here.
In post 2326, Egix96 wrote: In post 1095, u r a person 2 wrote:i think he's town.
if he's scum, he's playing a good game. Not as good a game as gamr is playing if he's scum
but a very good game, nonetheless
(Referring to Exilon)
This aged well... urap must have
conveniently forgotten
this by the time D5 rolled around.
I kinda agree that the movement of reads from URAP are one of the hardest things to deal with, but that is something I can evaluate maybe more tomorrow.
In post 2327, Egix96 wrote: In post 1221, u r a person 2 wrote:i think ausuka is town
I def don't want to lynch outside those 4 players today
and your excilon case got me to rethink. you're right about iioa, and there were also a couple turns of phrase somewhere in the walls of text that pinged me
skim through hrg again for me? and don't forget the predecessor. I think that's our best shot today tbh
VOTE: hrg
In post 1238, u r a person 2 wrote:ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh
VOTE: ausuka
I dunno how i missed the over-explaining
but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn
This turnaround happened waaaaaaay too quickly
Obvious case of bussing
--
That seems like a good place to take a break for today
this is just an awkard casing post because you're making it seem like he moved from one scum to another scum too quickly?
