open 759: house party (compleded)

[Titus]

My choices Bob and Mary. Two unremarkable lurkers.

Bob's unlikely to respond and I think the mod should just replace that slot.

You know Mary's slot was taken by Cheeky, right? Do you think Cheeky's been lurking too much?

-Joff

Cheeky is Mary...lurking no since I interacted with it but I hated the way they dodged if we had played together before on his main

[schadd_]

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[Skygazer]

also should've said before leaving i think skygazer is

town

it scares me how transparent i am to you

[Golden RASpberry]

CheekyTeeky, Fuscoco, Nancy, RedPanda & Skygazer are all town.

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EAF, Uncle Bob (and Titus) are scum.

Part I: EAF’s Approach

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His early game posting is focused on setup and mechanics as opposed to actual tells. There’s little content in his ISO, and he hasn’t outed any reads outside of his weak Titus read. He’s shown no evidence he’s trying to sort anyone this game, and a lot of his posting is giving me the impression he’s trying to get town-read. There was some distancing made between EAF and Titus, however this read is largely Duck-lead, so he’d be much better off explaining that than me.

There’s a switch that flipped on this slot between late-day-1 and day-2, and it has nothing to do with his activity. He lost a lot of focus after the party mechanic was resolved. The timing of it leads me to believe that this is because he was added to the party list. There’s an undertone to his most recent posting, but it’s not something I’d be great at explaining.

Part II: Uncle Bob’s Approach

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There are a lot of questions in his ISO despite how short it is, and none of them are giving me the impression he’s trying to scum-hunt. There’s no evidence that any answers to his questions changed his stance on anything. He never followed through on any of the questions he asked which is giving me the impression he threw those questions out there just for show.

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We also believe that Titus is the third scum, but most of it is based on flimsy reasoning, and something we’d rather not go into right now.

[Golden RASpberry]

^ what he said

[CheekyTeeky]

I interacted less than 24 hours ago how am I lurking lol. Sorry I had a nightshift and slept gosh

[CheekyTeeky]

Also no point in commenting on your party argument that went on for wayyyy too long. I'm not a mechanical person

[Golden RASpberry]

rest up cheeky we got some scums to kill
(also sorry for the lolvote earlier today; i disliked it the more i thought about it)

~ duck

[Fuscosco]

Okay with a UB lynch today.

[Golden RASpberry]

i'd actually strongly prefer EAF here by quite a margin. he's the wolf in the party (outside wildcard is probably duppin fmpov) which means he's default in a deepwolf position. i appreciate that this means he can be mechanically Xychotomied later but we have been blitzing really hard about this read and he's literally just not aligned with the town from our perspective.

we're pretty confident that UB flips red as well but it has substantially less game advancement. the other thing is we're dealing with a famously good/persuasive mafia player here. due respect but if we lynch ub regardless of his flip i feel a lot less confident about town reconverging on the EAF flip.


at risk of sounding arrogant: if we die tonight, we are happy dying for an EAF flip. even if UB flips red, swapping us for them ins't a move that advances the gamestate very proactively.

[Fuscosco]

You want us to add you and lynch Foe?

[Inbred Lannisters]

Could you town case Fusco?

-Joff

[Golden RASpberry]

we haven't really talked about being added to the party a lot, that's not really something that's firmly on our radar.

but we do want to lynch foe. put it this way: he's less of a deepwolf, and more of a scum power role. he can shoot townies which other scum can't shoot. i'm not interested in trying to lynch the deepwolf day one but i am very interested in removing a scum power role from the game.

i think our nk equity is huge so at a technical mechanical level yes, i think adding us to the party is beneficial. but realistically it't not as meaningful as lynching EAF.

fusco, i'm wondering if it would be better for us to tee some time up to compare notes on EAF? i want to have better gauge of where your townread is coming from.

[Fuscosco]

Its stale and was tonal.

[Fuscosco]

IL should be town. I dont think Volx makes good scum who can hide from me.

iirc I was SRing RedPanda, PP, Raya, and had Duppin as the possible scum in the party. But Ive been having an increasingly stale TR on Edgar Allen Foe.

iirc

Foe himself is all setup and nostalgia. But I def feel they are tonally town.

RC I think Im beginning to see patterns, and I TRed them a bit.

In that scenario, scum sacks a single player to hit within the hood and then paranoia eats it from within

I think we cross that bridge when we come to it. no need to lynch within until we have a reason to.

[Golden RASpberry]

i think his presence is more ~energised~ here than it is as scum, and he's not pushing an agenda. he's approaching this with earnest curiosity and parsing information etc. blah blah.
his reaction to the suggestion to add me to the wagon had a lot of genuineness to it. i like the fact he initially resisted but then did a double-take so we could resume and compare notes when he has more time. i think that's pro-solve, where scum!fusco would be in a sound position to 1) refute our right to be in the party on the basis of policy, and 2) cash in his d1/party towncred to push back against us.

we're kinda working through slots one at a time and fusco was one of my weaker reads but RAS pretty emphatically agrees with it. i'm not sure we're prepared to towncase Fusco this but we feel strongly about it. do you scumread him?

[Golden RASpberry]

i think i get your reservation.
town felt strongly about the 4p towncore d1 from what i've seen
if it is all town, the correct scum move is to charge in here and force a lynch in there and/or addition of scum players to remove the extreme townsidedness of it

from that perspective i probably don't think we ***have to*** be added, despite the fact i think it is beneficial. if we do lynch EAF i'd strongly recommend adding 1-2 townies to it tho

[Fuscosco]

I like the idea of threatening Foe with death if he doesnt play.
If we do lynch him, which Im opposed to because he is in the party, we do need to add someone new. Thus we should decide that before the party deadline.
I also want to have more people discussing scumreads. We cant gamesolve by doing what were doing rn. its all a jumble of competing interests rn.

[Golden RASpberry]

yeah, that's part of why we felt the urgency to voice our scumreads pretty expressly.
sorry to be so contrarian but i'd actually disagree with your point about not wanting to lynch within the party. have a think about my power role analogy earlier; town party members are conditional reflexive cops. scum party members are conditional roleblockers on that ability.

gonna sound a little lamisty for a sec but yolo. party members aren't towncore. they are the games 'power roles'. it's pretty important that they're held to a higher standard of sorting than people outside the party. and in summary i think EAF has been playing to get into the party and outside of that he's been coasting; there hasn't been a lot of accountability on that slot and i think it's really very dangerous.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh good our reads are vibing.

VOTE: EAF

[CheekyTeeky]

So talk to me about sky RAS

[Fuscosco]

sure

VOTE: EAF

[Inbred Lannisters]

I am fully aware I've not been super active.

Part of this was trying out a new style, the other half is that I have family visiting from out of state.

More activity tomorrow.

What gives me pause is that Edgar

admits

to his lack of activity, and that he'd be more active later on. Given he's a famously good scum player, it's not beyond his capability to fake reads, yeah? So while I'm concerned about his slot, I'm not really sold that the coasting itself is strongly scum indicative.

Yes, as scum the optimal move for your slot is always lynching from the party if not being added to it yourself (if all-town). However, in that case you wouldn't really need to push the EAF Lynch - since there was a bloc supporting your addition to the party anyway.

My other heads have also marked EAF as the most probable deepwolf in the party earlier, but I'm not sure I'd want to lynch in party yet.

Titus, what do you feel about an EAF lynch?

-Joff

[Golden RASpberry]

My other heads have also marked EAF as the most probable deepwolf in the party earlier, but I'm not sure I'd want to lynch in party yet.

I mean the partywolf only gets stronger as the game goes on; so if not yet, then when?
if you wait for them to guilty themselves via shooting within the wagon, you'll be waiting a long time and they will only ever do that when advantageous to them. So striking while the iron is hot appeals to me a lot.



@Cheeky, RAS is like 100% town on Skygazer. I think her posting has improved a lot since I tortured her for playing her scum meta. i know her reads have gone from being pretty against the grain to fairly mainstream, but I think they've been well justified and I've enjoyed seeing her form them in realtime. her against the grain reads didn't make a whole lotta sense imo

[Fuscosco]

I mean the partywolf only gets stronger as the game goes on; so if not yet, then when?

nah, they get weaker because they cant kill without outing.