Mini Normal 2071 (Game Over!)

[Detective Pikachu]

Page 16 so far and Egix, URA, and Asuka look pretty good diverting against or ruling out scum in Inferno/Garmr 1 v 1

I wanna make "rule of 3" a meme

but what reaction gifs are most appropriate for that

[Detective Pikachu]

"Rule of 3 is not a tell?"

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[u r a person 2]

As to HRG on sash, I guess. He also didn't want to be on the ruirui wagon that egix was already on.

As for that rule of three, he obviously sandwiched me between two scum rather than going town, scum, scum

that's basic rule of 3 knowledge

[Detective Pikachu]

Garmr
Ausuka
Skitter

Detective Pikachu, caught scum via rule of 3

Spoiler:

Actually what's typical here is that there is exactly 0 VTs in my bottom 3 lol

[u r a person 2]

Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...

VOTE: Ausuka

No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee

I think it's in my interest to keep this post in front of your face

[u r a person 2]

Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...

VOTE: Ausuka

No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee

Something about the tone of the bolded bothers me.

Do you dislike playing town?

No, not at all. But I'm amazed that I've managed to rand town five times in five mini normals. No idea what the actual odds are of that but it's a stark contrast from my rand luck in open queue...

He later calls this a reaction test, so you'd expect him to still be hamming it up

but this post is clearly damage control. After the big sigh, he assures us that he enjoys playing town, but what are the odds! There are a million ways he could have taken this if it were a reaction test, and this is like the blandest possible route

[u r a person 2]

yeah. that's what i got.

caught 'em coach! Page 2 bb

[u r a person 2]

This post is kind of telling. Up until now, ausuka hasn't discussed a read on egix at all, I'm pretty sure. I'll check again in a sec

This whole post ausuka is discussing things that happen in and around a scum read on egix, but she still doesn't take a position on him. svs indicative

Spoiler:

Can you explain this further please? Like, what about Inferno's analysis is great? I'm not seeing your pov here.

The game started hard and fast. My vote on Skitter was pure RVS but I sensed town in her, so I wanted to unvote and settle elsewhere.
Of all the posts I found that far, this was the post that was telling me the most. I was feeling what was being said real good: the yikes 40 , the convenient 76, the free shade on 42... since we are early I decided not to be inactive and sheep a bit. I know taking someone else's reasoning is not the best move, but it's a start. People tell me I'm inactive Day 1 so I try to get away from that image now.

Ok but like let's take a look at some of these posts in context.

Town AGAIN? Really? Sigh...

VOTE: Ausuka

No naked votes allowed reeeeeeeee

yikes

VOTE: egix

The reasoning Inferno gave for scumreading 40 was:

40 almost feels more naked than Ausuka. Like it’s trying to look clothed when it is.

I can only interpret this as saying that Urap made a naked vote and was trying to make it look non-naked when it wasn't. But, "yikes" is just an indicator that urap thought Egix's post is bad, right? How does this mean that urap is trying to look non-naked? All this is is urap saying early on that he doesn't get good feelings from Egix. I believe that it only makes sense to think this if you're looking through urap's posts for things to scumread. I think it's possible that Inferno, as town, decided urap was scum and looked through his ISO to build a case on him. I can't understand why you, as a nonbiased observer, would think this, though.

As for 42:

VOTE: Exilon
I’m off-put by the tone here. Seems weird.
Skitter feels pushy
Sash feels reachy
Egix is NAI I think

egix partner

Inferno's response to this is that "Me saying that I think Egix’s vote is NAI, especially when it’s clearly an RVS post, may be AI for me, but it certainly does not tie me to Egix on my own." But that's just like, why not? You went out of your way to mention Egix just to call him NAI, that could definitely be seen as a s/s interaction early right? The entire argument just seems blatantly flawed and I think from an unbiased POV it's not one you're likely to sheep.

I don't really like his bob vote either so.

VOTE: Sashaddin

[Detective Pikachu]

Spoiler:

What I find interesting is the wagons are spread out which could mean a number of things. It's quite a contrast to yesterday where their was like 2-3 wagons where everyone was.

yeah this feels like we aren't anywhere close to getting a scum lynch today

i kinda want to wagon exilon still but if i can't make that a thing for some inexplicable reason i'll try this

VOTE: ausuka

@hrg why is exilon town?

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

I guess if scum team killed CDB to solidify Ausuka as deep wolf, it's kinda surprising that Egix decides to join skitter on an Ausuka bus on day 2 and rides it out through EoD. But it's kinda surprising that this push was so muted and underdeveloped that I kinda forgot it was on day 2.

Still, 1271 does sound a little bit like Ausuka doesn't want the wagon on her blowing up but doesn't want to fight skitter. 1270/1271/1272 is not the most S/S exchange ever

But if you think of Egix's reads, while he was wrong on Rui, he was right on Sasha and Ausuka. This is not his worst game as town, even if he gets lynched as town in lylo.

This is a feel good game. Everyone can be proud even though one team will lose.

[u r a person 2]

I don't think trying to get that specific about night kill motivations is a high percentage guess

just sayin

[Detective Pikachu]

This day I will not be voting outside of the 6 players that lynched rui

Of those 6 i currently am reading exilion leaving. (below)

Egix96 , u r a person 2 , High Risk Gamble , Exilon , Ausuka , Sashaddin


One if not two of those are bound to be scum

I think

Exilion strong town lean
Egix slight town lean
Skitter slight town lean
inferno town lean
detective confirmed town by mod
gamr town

sach im scum reading
Aus scum read
urp2 sligh scum lean
HRG slight scum lean

mm after reading exilion recent iso I have decided

Ausuka remains a bad lynch today. Simple due to being better suited to day 4.

VOTE: exilion

What tipped it was exilion trying to set up gamma lynch should ausuka flip scum. Feels very much like bussing move


Also egix you convinced me with your offer to vote for urp2

Dude what if Bob was a visionary that lost his way?

1299 was at most wrong on three reads and possibly only wrong on two

[Detective Pikachu]

Wait no there's a chance 1299 is literally only wrong on Sash

[u r a person 2]

Wait no there's a chance 1299 is literally only wrong on Sash

yeah we might have nightkilled him if he were that good

[Detective Pikachu]

Egix what would you say are your strongest towngames? Can you link some examples?

[Egix96]

Egix what would you say are your strongest towngames? Can you link some examples?

Newbie 1893, Open 743

They're not games where I won but they are IMO my strongest towngames in that I outranged my scum self the most

Links are on my wiki, I don't mind you looking

[Detective Pikachu]

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

[Egix96]

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

But in the sense of being happy with how things have turned out this game? No. I feel like I should have done more to prevent Sasha from being lynched and if I had gone with my first instincts we could've lynched the scums much sooner.

[Detective Pikachu]

so those walls feel to me like svs~~~~~

like, wtf urap2?

How on earth was Exilon vs. Ausuka SvS LOL

[Detective Pikachu]

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

But in the sense of being happy with how things have turned out this game? No. I feel like I should have done more to prevent Sasha from being lynched and if I had gone with my first instincts we could've lynched the scums much sooner.

This is like... weird to me? We lynched scum back to back 3-4 which for a town is pretty good.

More than that, let's think about your play this game:
-You defended Sasha d1, you eventually mislynched Rui but w/e
-You pushed Ausuka starting day 2 and were the front of the wagon to do so, starting that wagon basically as soon as I replaced into the game
-You got Ausuka lynched day 3
-You lynched Skygazer day 4
-Then you mislynched Exilon day 5

Like... you have almost no wrong pushes. That's wild. In the two games you mentioned as your strongest, town lost, and you spent most of each of those games aggressively pushing town slots. This game, you have passively pushed two mislynches but also correctly lynched two scum. Frankly your play this game far outshines either of those two games you mentioned. I frankly don't understand how you aren't ecstatic with your personal play this game even if you do get lynched in lylo.

Like you're arguing you have gone outside your scumrange but I don't see how, but I am very much concerned that your reads accuracy this game is so far above average that it's rather jarring. But on the other hand, you have also spent almost none of this game pushing a scum agenda. For that matter, you've spent almost none of this game wildly flailing around.

The problem is that tonally, in your town games you seem more reactive, more likely to reflect, and more likely to be on a different track. This game your affect feels very flat. But the problem is that most of your logic through pretty much the entire game reads very pure. You basically push no mislynches.

Like if you compare your play to URAP's this game, I would personally be blown away if I was being scumread over him since he spends so much of the game apparently pushing scum agendas. He aggressively defended Ausuka and he set up the mislynch on Exilon in the context of presenting an "auto" mechanical solve of the game through an Ausuka lynch. Like, if he is scum, from your perspective as town, he has played a wildly wolfy game while you have played an incredibly, shockingly pro-town game... I don't get why you're not like, fired up?

[Detective Pikachu]

I feel like pages 75-78 should be discussed in post-game

77-78 is pretty clearly the basis for skitter's strong townread on urap going into the EoD when she exited.

exilon also argues that ausuka's egix case slightly spews him scum, which seems to be what skitter felt as well. that doesn't mean they're right but it's definitely how it read to them at the time.

Like Egix, you said there was a "please stop bussing me vibe" in what we discussed earlier. In either scenario, there were very hard busses in 77-78. Either Ausuka decided that she was at risk of going down and wanted the towncred for a redflip on Scum!Egix or Urap realized that they were going to get swept in lylo unless he seriously reversed courses on Ausuka.

Now, it's important to note here that I was kind of expressing a scumread on urap at the time, which means that urap could theoretically have thought that his push on Ausuka would fail and that if he went down he wanted to make sure that he seriously spewed her town. At the time urap was losing both me and skitter due to his hard defense of Ausuka, so he had significant scum motivation to reverse course and bus.

It's also interesting how both Ausuka and urap basically spend page 77 deciding that exilon needs to be lynched

but it's a serious question whether ausuka/urap s/s theater looks like page 78

I think urap's alignment is possibly in quantum flux, schrodinger's alignment they call it

[Detective Pikachu]

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

Explain why you've outranged scum!Egix in exactly one post.

[Detective Pikachu]

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

Still drudgin'
Don't be misled by the tiers, he's her top town apart from DetPika and the masons

Also
Did you leave out Ausuka's read on you so I didn't "rule of 3" meme you?

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}

;

Spoiler:

[Egix96]

Spoiler:

Would you say you feel proud of your play this game?

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

But in the sense of being happy with how things have turned out this game? No. I feel like I should have done more to prevent Sasha from being lynched and if I had gone with my first instincts we could've lynched the scums much sooner.

This is like... weird to me? We lynched scum back to back 3-4 which for a town is pretty good.

More than that, let's think about your play this game:
-You defended Sasha d1, you eventually mislynched Rui but w/e
-You pushed Ausuka starting day 2 and were the front of the wagon to do so, starting that wagon basically as soon as I replaced into the game
-You got Ausuka lynched day 3
-You lynched Skygazer day 4
-Then you mislynched Exilon day 5

Like... you have almost no wrong pushes. That's wild. In the two games you mentioned as your strongest, town lost, and you spent most of each of those games aggressively pushing town slots. This game, you have passively pushed two mislynches but also correctly lynched two scum. Frankly your play this game far outshines either of those two games you mentioned. I frankly don't understand how you aren't ecstatic with your personal play this game even if you do get lynched in lylo.

Like you're arguing you have gone outside your scumrange but I don't see how, but I am very much concerned that your reads accuracy this game is so far above average that it's rather jarring. But on the other hand, you have also spent almost none of this game pushing a scum agenda. For that matter, you've spent almost none of this game wildly flailing around.

The problem is that tonally, in your town games you seem more reactive, more likely to reflect, and more likely to be on a different track. This game your affect feels very flat. But the problem is that most of your logic through pretty much the entire game reads very pure. You basically push no mislynches.

Like if you compare your play to URAP's this game, I would personally be blown away if I was being scumread over him since he spends so much of the game apparently pushing scum agendas. He aggressively defended Ausuka and he set up the mislynch on Exilon in the context of presenting an "auto" mechanical solve of the game through an Ausuka lynch. Like, if he is scum, from your perspective as town, he has played a wildly wolfy game while you have played an incredibly, shockingly pro-town game... I don't get why you're not like, fired up?

Having correct reads isn't everything though - being towny is also important. I may have had better read accuracy here compared to 1893+743 but that's not solely how I'm defining a strong town game here.

And with that last paragraph... I must say, that makes a massive change from you saying Yesterday that I had no chance of winning a 1v1 vs urap.

As for why I'm not "fired up"... to be fair this whole situation is kinda reminiscent of that one Newbie game where I got Cowbell'd. Ending up in a 1v1 with someone you barely suspected all game, and virtually as soon as the day opens they come at you with an onslaught of "this is why Egix is scum" posts? Idk about you but that really drained the WIM out of me and it's kinda happening all over again here.

In the sense that I've managed to outrange scum!Egix? Yes.

Explain why you've outranged scum!Egix in exactly one post.

Look, personally I think there's no point in going through various things I've done this game and saying they're out of my scumrange, because it's impossible to prove. It's up to you to determine where I've shown my town self.

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

Still drudgin'
Don't be misled by the tiers, he's her top town apart from DetPika and the masons

Also
Did you leave out Ausuka's read on you so I didn't "rule of 3" meme you?

{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty
{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}

;

Spoiler:

Haha
Perhaps if I imagine that you're Auro that'll help ease my mental state. He's a cool guy, and that seems like the kind of post Auro would make (especially with the razz face there).

[Egix96]

... Nothing going on last night?

[Detective Pikachu]

That means it's time for the bonus round!!!!!

GET HYPED!