BooneyToonz XII: Corporate Boontrigue (Game Over!!!)

[Ausuka]

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

Oh yeah btw Liger is very likely scum too and every scumteam should include one of {Liger, Creature} which rules out a Xtoxm/skitter gambit scumteam and makes skitter pretty much conftown here. This isn't how the mods phrase things if mafia have both oddnight and evennight strongman. This might be how liger THINKS it would go, but I'm almost certain that in a game with two mafia strongmans, S_S does not inform somebody that mafia have A strongman; it's misleading and doesn't really make sense on a gramatical level. By far the most likely way for Liger to be town is if Bambi was actually the only strongman, which again strongly implicates Creature (while I suppose it's possible mafia have a roleblocker or asceticizer or something dumb like that, it seems unlikely.) But I think the symmetry with an oddnight/evennight strongman is cool and something SS might do, and if we really DO have two bulletproofs, which I'm pretty sure we do, mafia just, well, NEED two strongmans. Me and Skitter surviving to endgame seems totally unfair to scum, otherwise.
By far the simplest explanation is that it's just Liger/Creature.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Creature

If this is some sort of weird Xtoxm/liger team sorry but I think it's just creature and liger here. I'll switch over to Liger if I need to as well.

[Xtoxm]

@skitter
i'm going to trust my result on you, because it's all i've got to go on.
there is a 4th unknown scum role which could have potentially messed with it, but i have seen no evidence for this. if it does, then yay for scum.

so. you're town, and there have apparently been no attempts on your life, despite being a vocal and from what i've seen widely town read player.
this means your reads are bad.
you're also personally 0 for 3 on reading me, if we include this game.

blake's 3 scum reads were
titus
ausuka
liger

titus was town and that was an extremely damaging lynch, but scum don't kill a vig that's got zero correct reads, they just don't.
there's at least one scum in ausuka/liger, you can't continue to tr both of them

[Xtoxm]

poor wording on my part there as it's not a result per se, but you get what i mean.

[Xtoxm]

@1950
i do agree on the one-shot odd night strongman symmetry and have assumed it's existence since the even flip

[skitter30]

according to creature, i already have been nked this game

No, according to creature he docced you, i have no way of knowing whether u were also targeted for the nk that night, there's ar least 3 or 4 different ways to explain the one kill n1

[skitter30]

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

Oh yeah btw Liger is very likely scum too and every scumteam should include one of {Liger, Creature} which rules out a Xtoxm/skitter gambit scumteam and makes skitter pretty much conftown here. This isn't how the mods phrase things if mafia have both oddnight and evennight strongman. This might be how liger THINKS it would go, but I'm almost certain that in a game with two mafia strongmans, S_S does not inform somebody that mafia have A strongman; it's misleading and doesn't really make sense on a gramatical level. By far the most likely way for Liger to be town is if Bambi was actually the only strongman, which again strongly implicates Creature (while I suppose it's possible mafia have a roleblocker or asceticizer or something dumb like that, it seems unlikely.) But I think the symmetry with an oddnight/evennight strongman is cool and something SS might do, and if we really DO have two bulletproofs, which I'm pretty sure we do, mafia just, well, NEED two strongmans. Me and Skitter surviving to endgame seems totally unfair to scum, otherwise.
By far the simplest explanation is that it's just Liger/Creature.

Also the symmetry with the odd-night/even-night role cop neighborhood - and with *two* backup neighbors, it would make sense to me that one of these 4 people are scum

[skitter30]

Also iirc there were a few different times where bambi was trying to push xtoxm, in a way unlikely for partners ...
But i want to check that again too

[Creature]

Creature did u read the neighborhood or ..?

Just skimmed.

[skitter30]

@skitter
i'm going to trust my result on you, because it's all i've got to go on.
there is a 4th unknown scum role which could have potentially messed with it, but i have seen no evidence for this. if it does, then yay for scum.

so. you're town, and there have apparently been no attempts on your life, despite being a vocal and from what i've seen widely town read player.
this means your reads are bad.
you're also personally 0 for 3 on reading me, if we include this game.

blake's 3 scum reads were
titus
ausuka
liger

titus was town and that was an extremely damaging lynch, but scum don't kill a vig that's got zero correct reads, they just don't.
there's at least one scum in ausuka/liger, you can't continue to tr both of them

Yeah fair ... i dont think ausuka flips scum here really

But i find it really weird for scum to lolclaim that a strongman exists in their first post too

I think i'm kinda down to {creature/liger} or i guess creature/xtoxm bur like the solve doesnt make me super happy

Also the vote on creature makes me nervous given lylo

And yeah i was right on asuka ... and that's about it thjs game

[Ausuka]

Creature did u read the neighborhood or ..?

Just skimmed.

lack of drive is generally speaking scum indicative for creature etc etc

i don't think hardpushing one scum is something to be ashamed of?

[Creature]

Creature did u read the neighborhood or ..?

Just skimmed.

lack of drive is generally speaking scum indicative for creature etc etc

No, neighborhoods suck tbh.

[Creature]

Even masonries tend to suck.

[Xtoxm]

right, well let's get to a place where you tr me and then we can decide how to proceed from there
please dont vote yet
ausuka has a vote down so we can exclude a few combinations based on that if the game doesnt end
from creatures point of view the game is solved on liger/ausuka so i dont mind if he votes

[skitter30]

Eh it's not such great read accuracy for me, although i do take credit for that lynch
I also feel like if he's town he'd have more of a reaction to getting voted in lylo?

[Creature]

Ausuka is like pretty much confscum for me anyway.

[skitter30]

Ok fair

I think me/xtoxm is pretty definitively ruled out

[skitter30]

I'm going to bounce for the weekend shortly, but i'll ne around (laye) tom night, or sunday

[Creature]

Asuka really seemed to have given up. And so did Una.

[Xtoxm]

Eh it's not such great read accuracy for me, although i do take credit for that lynch
I also feel like if he's town he'd have more of a reaction to getting voted in lylo?

it's a vote from someone who is basically confscum to him
his reaction specifically to me, someone he townreads, calling for his lynch earlier today, looked like a town reaction
and i'm not sure it's within the scope of his scum game to fake that, tbh

[Ausuka]

Asuka really seemed to have given up. And so did Una.

una was inactive sitewide and i'm pretty sure you knew this!

asuka had given up, yes, and was fairly obvious scum at her point of death because of that: i don't think that meant the third speedlynch of the game is necessary.

But that reminds me: @liger why did you put asuka in selfhammer range?

[Ausuka]

again: nothing creature said is outside his scumrange

do you think creature can't fake a little negative emotion? if you do i think you're severely underestimating him. if that's not what you're saying, i have no idea what you're referring to.

[Xtoxm]

I'm going to bounce for the weekend shortly, but i'll ne around (laye) tom night, or sunday

ok. we have plenty of time to work this out.

[Creature]

from creatures point of view the game is solved on liger/ausuka

yep, and idk what to do.

[Creature]

First

VOTE: Flavour Leaf

Let’s turbolynch Boon

I got N0 guilty

Easy townread number one

L.U.V. is a miller, but under his name it says he's also a "survivor", that makes it unfairly difficult to win as third party.

You know what? I'm never voting you this game (if I do, remind me of this post). I like a perceptive player (and I also feel guilty from last game).

No, and there are no third parties either.

aw, i had a cool gambit planned

You'll find a proper alternative. Your sleeve is never empty.

Indeed, for I'm one of the few people who reads the section where that was stated in the OP

That's a scum tell nowadays. Townies are supposed to be both arrogant and ignorant. We are here for the scum to run all over us. Period.

I think A50 is town too

We lost a Universal Backup but it could be worse. We could've lost an investigative. On the downside a VT dying would've been better, but glass half full.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Titus likely town, Bambi likely scum then.
If people think A50 is not gonna be the lynch today no matter what, we can go Bambi as well.

tbh I agree this is terrible