BTE: Boon Wars - Attack of the Colognes

[Alisae]

can we do both?

[insomnia]

no, I'm just saying that it makes sense for a scumbuddy that knows his scumbuddy is gonna flip to accuse the guys voting scumbuddy of bussing.

Also you said you weren't town reading Ali so I'm not sure why you are against voting there.

Ok but it also makes sense for town!FB to have this read right? is there any reason why this is more likely considering that?

If you don't have a read on Alisae why are you voting eir voters? It seems you're interested enough to help her not eat a rope.

also couldn't this just be that people on the alisae wagon are scummy independently to him?

He doesn’t have a reason, he’s voting each and everyone of us who voted Alisae except for A50 cuz he has no balls to do that.

[Firebringer]

He doesn’t have a reason, he’s voting each and everyone of us who voted Alisae except for A50 cuz he has no balls to do that.

how did u know my balls were removed?

[insomnia]

I have x-ray vision, it can sometimes be a curse and sometimes a gift

[Alisae]

no, I'm just saying that it makes sense for a scumbuddy that knows his scumbuddy is gonna flip to accuse the guys voting scumbuddy of bussing.

Also you said you weren't town reading Ali so I'm not sure why you are against voting there.

Ok but it also makes sense for town!FB to have this read right? is there any reason why this is more likely considering that?

If you don't have a read on Alisae why are you voting eir voters? It seems you're interested enough to help her not eat a rope.

also couldn't this just be that people on the alisae wagon are scummy independently to him?

He doesn’t have a reason, he’s voting each and everyone of us who voted Alisae except for A50 cuz he has no balls to do that.

FB actually did vote A50
but ok

[Alisae]

also Fire I'm on the last episode of Bebop
FA and I were watching it together but she had to go at ep 25 and I need to finish this stuff now so I just finished ep 25 and about to start on the last episode

this shit
is fiiiiiiiiiiiiire

[insomnia]

I could tell how serious the vote was given it was gone in the next couple of posts.

[Firebringer]

I have x-ray vision, it can sometimes be a curse and sometimes a gift

I think u should work for the NSA.

[Alisae]

he voted A50 it counts

[Ausuka]

{Me}
{Firebringer}
{WORM}
{most players} - null
{Enigma}

beep boop

{Enigma}
{most players}
{Irrel}

Btw ausuka town
Ari town

Easiest townreads in my mafia career.

Yeah I'm
fine with these being real reads I think

you’re not going to see scum say “wait this is multiball?”
Like, they’re just not going to fake it because they’ll think they won’t get cred from it.
Its most likely coming from people who genuinely have town role pms.

I'm prepared to retract these later though if we ever see a scum role PM that doesn't mention multiball

like tbh, scum would most like know from the onset of opening their pm with the number of scum partners they have

I like you!

But that like
Requires a scum to reach out to another scum
In the main thread
And then for that scum to pick up on it and agree to it
And then for town to not notice that at all

So yeah, thats not happening.

hot take, discussions like this and above are subtle signalling to other scum team

That take's pretty cold at this point.
Ok so, I had this thought at first as well and even said so to RCE actually, but it's actually not a good read. Assuming reasonable alignment sizes, apart from Alisae and their partner, there are 13 players in the game, 2 of which are otherscum. Alisae, as signalling scum, would have to literally assume that one of the other scumteam would catch it, and ONLY a member of the other scumteam would catch it. For them to be scum signalling, they would have to have not thought this through at all. Additionally, judging by the comments they made earlier, I think Alisae's reaction to rolling scum would be more like "sweet easy win let's just lynch the other scumteam then win" rather than being antagonistic towards a lot of people the way they are.

[Firebringer]

i didn't vote a50 this game guys.

[insomnia]

Why am I even talking to you two, Ausuka, tell your pocketers to go tunnel elsewhere.

[Firebringer]

the idea that i am scared to vote a50 is pretty silly though.

[Firebringer]

also Fire I'm on the last episode of Bebop
FA and I were watching it together but she had to go at ep 25 and I need to finish this stuff now so I just finished ep 25 and about to start on the last episode

this shit
is fiiiiiiiiiiiiire

bebop is fire. but have u watched code geass?

[Alisae]

also Fire I'm on the last episode of Bebop
FA and I were watching it together but she had to go at ep 25 and I need to finish this stuff now so I just finished ep 25 and about to start on the last episode

this shit
is fiiiiiiiiiiiiire

bebop is fire. but have u watched code geass?

NO

[Alisae]

I HAD THE ENDING OF CODE GEASS SPOILED FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS AN IDIOT AND I ONLY HAVE MYSELF TO BLAME
I'VE BEEN STILL MEANING TO WATCH IT THO CONSIDERING I THINK I'LL STILL ENJOY IT EVEN WITH THE ENDING BEING SPOILED TO ME

[Ausuka]

trs
nero

Why?

[Alisae]

Ausuka is the rational town person though
she understands me
I can't scumread that
I can't

[Alisae]

Fire its town
trust me on this
plz

[Firebringer]

okay, but go watch code geass.

[Ausuka]

Oh yeah if I'm not misinterpreting this post this is probably a genuine townslip. This seems like an associative you'd use in singleball: "these two aren't partners." Maybe townslip isn't the right word, since I guess it's possible that he's scum forgetting it's multiball, but to me it seems a lot more likely town would forget because the fact it's multiball is significantly more important to town than scum (to town it's just "you have a town pm ok go scumhunt" so it's more conceivable to forget whereas with scum the experience is really really different because usually it's like, "you are part of the informed majority, you and X and Y are scum and the rest are town, go lynch some townies" but now it's more like, "you and X are scum, you have no idea what the rest of the players in the game are, and you have to scumhunt too now" which scum are always going to be keeping in mind. Idk maybe I didn't explain this well but I think it's much more likely to come from town than scum, and it's quite subtle in comparison to what me and Ari did; I waited a while to see if he or anyone else pointed this out, because that would make it NAI, but nobody did.

its only a dumb tell.

i didn't realize it was a multiball till alisae pointed out to me. And i have used dumb tells a million times as scum to get people to think i am town. Its laughably easy to do.

I know it's easy to do but the way he does it subtly and neither he or anyone else pointed it out seemed town-indicative? Although I think I saw he did it again, which kinda eliminates that as it's possible he's just doing it until someone takes notice.

Idk I just think Insomnia feels like stubborn town :/

[Alisae]

okay, but go watch code geass.

it'll have to wait a day or 2 but yes
I will

[Ausuka]

she
I keep on forgetting that you wanna be refered to as a she ausuka
sorry I'm still used to u being MM4 it takes me awhile im rly slow when it comes to these things

I'm ok as long as it's not consistent and intentional.

[Ausuka]

Ok i'm finally caught up and actually have reads.

{almost50, baezu, enigma, alisae}
{davesaz, firebringer, aristophanes}
{insomnia, LUV}
{nips} - null line
{irrelephant, WORM}
{Nero}

Currently I don't really like either wagon, although I haven't done as much thinking about insomnia as I have about Alisae; I'd prefer a Nero wagon but I'd also fairly happily settle for a Irre or Worm wagon.

@insomnia: is the implication that I'm scum being manipulated into defending them by the Ali/FB team or town being pocketed? If the latter, what changed?

[Enigma]

That take's pretty cold at this point.
Ok so, I had this thought at first as well and even said so to RCE actually, but it's actually not a good read. Assuming reasonable alignment sizes, apart from Alisae and their partner, there are 13 players in the game, 2 of which are otherscum. Alisae, as signalling scum, would have to literally assume that one of the other scumteam would catch it, and ONLY a member of the other scumteam would catch it. For them to be scum signalling, they would have to have not thought this through at all. Additionally, judging by the comments they made earlier, I think Alisae's reaction to rolling scum would be more like "sweet easy win let's just lynch the other scumteam then win" rather than being antagonistic towards a lot of people the way they are.

yeh opps i was just posting as i was catching up and hadnt read the rest of the thread when i saw that
so that thought (signalling too blatant) also crossed my mind, but then i thought alisae would probably be someone who would do such blatant wifom play
like there is no town motivation for trying coaching scum on their how they should play their scum game