2078: Any Non-Dead Person Can Post In This Mafia Game [end]

[mastina]

mastina, if you get a chance I'd like to hear your overall setup thoughts as well. I

think

we might be able to shenanigans this game.

Too early for that. Give it another night and I'll be able to help you, but on D2 all I can really do is analyze claims by play, e.g. thinking Lavender and Pine have fairly high scum equity.

[Skygazer]

(my message to nsg is still in my outbox)

[Jingle]

i'll refrain from commenting until you're done with whatever you're doing.

I'm waiting for EV to explicitly confirm my IC status, actually.

I'll logic after that.

I don't see how caught scum confirming that you're conftown to them confirms you. You're generally super town, but you seem to have lost hope of confirmation.

Disagree. I'm fairly well confirmed either way, now. Either I'm wrong and EV is town, thus has no reason to lie, or I'm right and EV is scum and by virtue of being in the same neighborhood as her AND the implicit townyness from claiming IC early and not having it argued against by the person who is confirmed town before they died, I'm town.


Okay, here goes.

We have two action fail claims. mastina/nomnomnom. Scum doesn't have double roleblock here. Town doesn't roleblock the public hated player by virtue of the fact that she was a universal TR just below me and Wagon in surety. Scum doesn't roleblock the public hated player by virtue of them already being claimed ITT and not especially opposed to her own lynch. Therefore, if mastina town, EV almost definitely lying. EV fullclaimed the same role as Wagon in the neighborhood. Mastina probtown based on hated that doesn't leave in LYLO claim. If we ever hit LYLO with mastina alive, she gets turbo lynched. Until that time she's conftown. And yes, this means that she doesn't get lynched the day before LYLO, that's dumb.

Wagon nightkill over me makes sense if EV scum. I spent most of the night phase talking about how it was possible the neighborhood was all town and I had no decent reads, so a scumteam with EV doesn't really want me dead.

RC is probably town via his treatment of me.

nomnomnom is town if Lav is scum. They have functionally identical activation requirements. Nomnomnom treated the role in the town method.

Of the four powers that RC thinks can't all be town, Pine is the least likely to be town. This is not set in stone, but if true heavily implies ofhrz town.

There's a decent chance that EV is scum power. My role PM implies that other people in the neighborhood might have additional powers.

[mastina]

So I think Pine is the most logical person to be scum here. But yeah.

Won't hear disagreement from me!

[mastina]

She hasn't clarified yet, masonizer can be implemented in a couple different ways. In particular, it can be done as, if your target is scum, you die, which confirm that roleblocked happen.
If it's the type of masonizer that's, if your target is scum, nothing happens, same as if you were roleblocked, we should probably not speculate on whether a roleblock happened and just speedlynch, sure.

Yeah I need to ask that question. Will let you know when I have an answer.

Did ask, don't have an answer yet.

[RadiantCowbells]

if we believe lavender's role then she's probably not also the roleblocker

so that would make ELA a more optimal lynch

[Jingle]

also if someone docced us last night they should doc us again tonight

You were roughly 100% not docced last night.

Who was not a townread of anyone. Further, wagon and I were both obvious nightkills and consensus town.

We probably don't have a protective role given the commuter flip.

[mastina]

who claimed loverizer

He did? I missed it.

[RadiantCowbells]

lets lynch mastina

[Jingle]

Tentatively EVA -> Lav -> Pine is probably the right lynch order.

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't Lynch anyone until pine claims

Don't l-1 or even l-2 preferably

[nomnomnom]

Wait wait wait.

I don't get it Jingle.

If you SPECIFICALLY said in the neighborhood that it's almost impossible that the entire neighborhood is town then how does it make sense that Wags gets nightkilled here? It would LITERALLY destroy her here right??

[EeveeLution Army]

the problem is my theory could be correct, and the roleblock is on a some sort of trigger or can target multiple people in some way, see i know im town but i dont see mastina as scum, so im trying to figure out how this happened.

[Jingle]

IF mastina/nom both town, one of them is the kill tonight.

Mastina, I think Pine is objectively the best masonize shot. If you masonize him then that stops him from being a lynch target. If he's scum, we pretty much have this game on lock imo. If EV flips rb and that fails, I'm taking it as a hard guilty.

Additionally I'm certain that you're not scum together, so a positive result is trustworthy and at that point I'm fine with treating Pine as vig, linking scumspects to likely nks.

If nomkill goes through, nom is functionally conftowned.

[nomnomnom]

I mean I am 75% sure that Pine is scum here given my shot was blocked.

Are you sure about Eevee? I'll sheep whatever order you want to go through.

[Jingle]

If you SPECIFICALLY said in the neighborhood that it's almost impossible that the entire neighborhood is town then how does it make sense that Wags gets nightkilled here? It would LITERALLY destroy her here right??

I implied I thought it was all town and had no other reads. Wagon was explicitly sr-ing EV.

[Jingle]

Full Massclaim tomorrow, I think, btw.

[EeveeLution Army]

id rather have nom shoot me tonight tbh. since we can lynch scum instead. this should also be the best scenario for you. since no matter what we get something out of it. either noms vig claim psuedoconfirmed and a scumlynch with town me dead in a better fashion. since i dont trust the vig to shoot scum anyway.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Eevee

Then let's go. Let's not waste time. I am shooting Lavender tonight.

[Jingle]

Are you sure about Eevee? I'll sheep whatever order you want to go through.

Eevee is most likely among the players to be scum, mechanically speaking. If scum, RC/Who is not scum power. Pine is the least sure of my scumreads, and also the most useful if town.

[nomnomnom]

id rather have nom shoot me tonight tbh. since we can lynch scum instead. this should also be the best scenario for you. since no matter what we get something out of it. either noms vig claim psuedoconfirmed and a scumlynch with town me dead in a better fashion. since i dont trust the vig to shoot scum anyway.

YEEHAW WE GOT THE SCUM ROLEBLOCKER

YEEEEEEEEEHAW

[EeveeLution Army]

though if they are rbed again that could be a problem, but then it comes down to either they are lying about being vig entirely, or town me gets lynched and town learns more about the roleblocker. if both mastina and nomnom get rbed again than that means scum has a multirbing role

[Jingle]

Things to do before day end:

Pine confirms he has not/cannot yet loverize anyone.
PP/Ausuka/ofrhz/TightPops give a vague readlist. Just need tiers, not specifics or reasons.

[EeveeLution Army]

also what if pine claims roleblocked too?

[Ausuka]

low effort readlist

{jingle, nom}
{whorc, ofrhz}
{mastina, PP}
{pine, lavender, titusofctown}
{eevee}