Micro 877: Liars and Millers

[AzoriusSenate]

Skyg is probably just town which means either
scum!nsg - not going to be hard to read or difficult to lynch given she's busy irl at the moment.
scum!sausage - very annoying to solve and if this is the case having the best town player onsite around being town is massive +ev

nonmillers: {cheekyteeky, ircher} are always town. Pine is whatever
Oka is kinda scummy but Senate just claimed scum

I know which pool I'd rather have scum shooting into.

You having ircher as locked town boggles my mind

[Skygazer]

im going to try to actually sleep now

[Saudade]

Why? Because im infinitely better than you at this game.
Vote Skygazer, the classic ate and no substance

[Saudade]

im going to try to actually sleep now

Good night little princess, no hard feelings you just rolled the bad guys

[Saudade]

Ducky dear, skygazer is scum

[AzoriusSenate]

It's not a 1v1 between sausage and skygazer. vote scum.

My lynch pool is:

YOU

NSG

Saud

Sky.

You've told me you DO NOT want to lynch:

YOURSELF

NSG

SAUD.

Therefore,

my vote is optimal.
Goodbye.

Hold on hold on
you need reads in your own pool

TOP TO BOTTOM -- TOWN TO SCUM

me
Saudade
Cheeky
the worst
Skygazer

ircher/Oka


non-players:
Pine

NSG is in the non-players queue if im being honest

[Saudade]

There is little to no depths in her reads, she just says whatevervyou want to hear with a mix of some delicious ate

[the worst]

VOTE: OkaPoka best vote again camping this

[Saudade]

Which you fall for because you are a sensitive little duck

[the worst]

I'll reconsider tmrw but I feel empowered enough to vote my main scumread :shrug:

[Saudade]

Which is not a bad trait in real life, awful though if you are going to win some mafia games

[AzoriusSenate]

I'll reconsider tmrw but I feel empowered enough to vote my main scumread :shrug:

We can lynch OKA tomorrow, why is that not ok with you?

[Saudade]

The reason i won both mafia games against cheeky even though i bled scum is because I , too , can use the sweet ate and no one in this table besides me has any conviction to follow through the hard lynches

[Skygazer]

tw im sorry ):

[Saudade]

I'll reconsider tmrw but I feel empowered enough to vote my main scumread :shrug:

We can lynch OKA tomorrow, why is that not ok with you?

Because he feels bad for sky

[Saudade]

tw im sorry ):

Your entire play is a bit repulsive

[Skygazer]

i feel like shit for blowing up at a friend can you not

[Saudade]

Thats your play not mine

[Saudade]

/shrug

[the worst]

Sky if you're town just respond to my talking points particularly wrt Oka.

[AzoriusSenate]

idk ive been going into tilt-unenjoyable mode *every* time i get scum read lately and it makes it v hard for me to focus w you and saudade shouting im a wolf

i genuinely dont know what skygazer-things means, like,,, i feel like ur expecting me to hit some magic switch and town it up and i dont know how to do that

This greatly describes your play

[AzoriusSenate]

Like I'm ISO'ing Skygazer TRYING TO TOWNREAD THEM. And I get to this post....

like wtf how am I supposed to analyze this post

[Skygazer]

This is a long list of little pings with one tell which makes my skin crawl a lil

ok looks like we are just lynching millers for the rest of this game lolllll

Response to the 5 miller claims is tonally more opportunistic than e.g. sausage's. not a big deal but he's also messaging a fair bit slower slower (if there's a language barrier I apologise extremely profusely but I think English is oka's first language and won't speak for saudade) which means his posting at this point is likely to be more considered.

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

so is this u calling out ur gf friend or not

I love little snide comments like this early-game but it's a bit shady and super unrelatable, like as you all now know I had the polar opposite impression from Saudade's posting at the time :/

whoever fucked up just out urself plz

after we win we can demand a reroll

this is p tonally off-putting

if its cheeky + saudade ill laugh

This is fine and pretty funny (I'd thought the same thing for a flash second) but like he.....actually thinks this is a thing. Like he unironically comes back to this later. This is firstly a ridiculous read. Secondly, if you are tinfoiling a powerwolf dynamic duo this hard you do not make some of the posts Oka goes on to make.

VOTE: skygazer

whats up gang

i want to be a part of something too!

opportunistic 3rd vote on wagon popin
note no prior mention of Skyg in his ISO and he fails spectacularly to try and sort or do anything with her later?

what do we call this? free hugs for anyone who guesses where I'm going

why is ircher scummy ;-;

he always gets scumread in marathon games and this is marathon game with longer deadlines

soft defence of ircher is fine

i am confused at how u are arriving at these reads but i guess the real question is

how do u have reads already

pedit: nsg i think we lynch in miller pool !

but he has no reads
despite saud/ct powerwolf duo concerns and soft defending ircher

Which makes me think saud/ct post was a meme and his soft defence of ircher was illegitimate/posting for the sake of looking like he had a stance

nah

lynching within miller pool first is always optimal unless you can guarantee like a >70% chance scumreading someone first try (i made up that number but the point stands, it should be very unlikely to the point where its not worth it)

he talks about this so fucking much I'm gonna omit all the mentions bc like half of my notes is just times he's talked about lynching millers. he's mechgaming constantly despite the fact he's spectacularly failing to sort any of the millers and I don't see how anyone thinks he's like... town parsing this lynching strategy.....

tbh my reads are as follows:

okapoka - town

everyone else - has a 75% of being town

pine probs town for having same thoughts as me tho

ha ha my reads are rand
+ concern with soft defence of ircher
another post supporting that he realizes saud/ct scumteam is a meme

ircher, u think cheeky is town for that meme of a play?

question to ircher would be solid if he was townreading ircher but he like explicitly isn't

it would be solid if he was concerned about cheekyteeky but he's transparently spending no time trying to sort or case her

I appreciate this is all fluffy but I've cut out the entirely fluffy posts in his iso. He's making noises and taking stances but he's not advancing the gamestate and he has no like tangible reads.

if this were a normal game id lynch cheeky
but
millers go first

liars go second

then this comes!! and he's concerned about cheekyteeky powerwolf and yet all of the above is a thing


hold on a sec

ircher ur insane

response to spectating ircher townslip
compare again to sausage whose response was hilarious and towny

i think tw is more likely to be town than saudade/cheeky

instantly qualified by him being concerned because I'm a miller claim
.....

positive vibes

key to success for town

trolling ircher

immediate readslist

positive vibes while not exclusively shitposting

gamestate is too advanced for these kinds of tells and I think I've done markedly more towny stuff at this point

meanwhile cheeky+saudade are trying to steamroll

and steamrolling is powerwolf move

ya

later is him responding to me being like "wow am I the only person who thinks it's saud/ct?"

like

he thinks two of the strongest voices itt are the scumteam
yet he wants us to believe he has no reads and he has like... no presence

the amount of disconnect here is incredible

also at this point I had done the sausage ISO thing and been like "ohshit yeah sausage is obviously town".....i think it's kinda bizarre he's looked at sausage's posting and gone "POWERWOLF!!" on principle but the fact he seems totally unconcerned with the prospect is quintuply pingy

ill admit maybe tring the worst is too far

but there isnt a reason to scumread him ?!

hedging here is kinda hilarious. I think he's kinda hit a point where he realizes playing off the cheeky/sausage/tw thing is gonna do nothing except possibly? secure my mislynch if town is stupid? if he's thought about it and it's gonna take a lot more work than anticipated so he's gone from having us as his strongest apparent reads to not feeling like he can have a read on us

i mean lynching charismatic people for charisma is something ive done in the past before

i dont do it anymore

someone teach me how to get strong reads this early

again his takes so far have been extremely poignant and I find it bizarre that he doesn't feel he can have strong reads this game.... the gamestate is so advanced at this point

i still feel bad for possibly tunneling nancy out of this site

this whole "I don't wanna give reads because I'll tunnel" thing on top of "I'm tunnelling all the miller claims" is like a brilliant charicature of scumposting

i was worried oka was scum until he started SRing me

i think im getting town vibes from him in the same vein of newsroom

honestly this post is what sticks out the most to me from skygazer iso

i dont see how im close to me in newsroom

so i am perplexed

this post stood out to me the most as well but largely for completely different reasons. he doesn't really seem all that interested in sorting Skyg he's like.. responding to the question for the sake of responding to the question.. let's say he's a bit pinged by it, Skyg is concerning him and he's kinda stopped pushing the {CT,Saud} thing or trying to paint me in any kind of light...

VOTE: nsg
lets make a wagon choo choo

how the fuck does he end up pressuring nsg the pre-stated low profile player here rather than skygazer?

if anyone picks up where I'm going with this hmu

because we need clears and lynching within vt pool runs the risk of hitting cop which is bad because cop is ic basically

more of this shit

Hmm.TW the problem is that Oka is actually a great scum player. I don't think he makes those mistakes as scum?

oka is a consistently good scum player
not a consistently great scum player

he freezes up in crazy fast gamestates where he can carry a kind of presence as town

nsg's express mafia is a great example, I scummed with him. I don't think he can wolf well under this kind of pressure (who can?)

cool story bro but hes not a miller claim so you wont be getting much information from this push

no longer valid

we have 4p in each block + cheeky in the nonmiller block

it's not +ev to lynch into the miller pool anymore. we pick a pool and shoot into it. I'm not quite done sorting the miller pool yet so you get what I got

I spent an entire lunch break mobileposting that :'<

[Skygazer]

wrt the tonal pings: i feel like oka always has that offputting tryhardy jokey tone wrt to your early quotes

[the worst]

Like I'm ISO'ing Skygazer TRYING TO TOWNREAD THEM. And I get to this post....

like wtf how am I supposed to analyze this post

I find if I don't know how I just make a note to come back to it later and focus on the rest :shrug: