micro 871: mystery box of silver 4 (G O)

[mastina]

Like I'm just running through the scenarios here.

If Otter is scum why make a rolestop PT with two townies and risk a 50/50 given that the protection only goes on me or Otter tonight?
Same reasoning for me pretty much.

Isn't it literally simpler for scum!otter to just make any other PT configuration (and most likely one with him) so he doesn't screw himself over?

It makes no sense. You must be scum.
If otter is scum congratulations you basically paved the way to win for him. But I just believe you're going for the long pocket game on Otter and that the self-lynching gambit you sold me in our PT was just words and a farce, and that your kill on chutes is just a last desperate attempt at trying to confuse town and lead it to its destruction like you've done these 2 first days.

VOTE: Mastina

Literally none of this holds, but I am phoneposting and cannot explain why until I am on my desktop.

[LuckyOtter]

Rolestopping wouldn't block me, it would block all actions on me. It makes me an ascetic BP for the night.

I am still cleared by the mechanics of this game though, so yeah. Mastina's just trying to gambit and failing at it.

Ok ok.

Right, so you and c&n couldn't have been on the same pt. Unless you made that up, and also the rule about nightless phases. I mean it's a huge stretch and mastina/cn makes more sense to me but I'll still have to think on it.

[LuckyOtter]

Then again it could just very well be a watch PT and the result would be the same and the rolestop PT stuff is just trying to induce me in error.

But I'll pretend it's true for a second. Who do you think is scum here?

I don't know.

Like I said.

I was planning on instavoting Parachutes.

Their play was textbook scumplay.
I don't have a scumspect because my fucking scumspect was the fucking night kill.

If you're town it should be obvious that nom is scum. Otherwise I would have hammered you by now......

[nomnomnom]

Rolestopping wouldn't block me, it would block all actions on me. It makes me an ascetic BP for the night.

I am still cleared by the mechanics of this game though, so yeah. Mastina's just trying to gambit and failing at it.

Ok ok.

Right, so you and c&n couldn't have been on the same pt. Unless you made that up, and also the rule about nightless phases. I mean it's a huge stretch and mastina/cn makes more sense to me but I'll still have to think on it.

C/N and I can't be be scums by the fact we were put in a PT together, yeah.

[nomnomnom]

scums together*

[mastina]

Rolestopping wouldn't block me, it would block all actions on me. It makes me an ascetic BP for the night.

I am still cleared by the mechanics of this game though, so yeah. Mastina's just trying to gambit and failing at it.

If the information that you gave yesterday is true? Sure!
You said that scum can't both be in a pt; you said that scum making an extra pt delays nightless; you said that you were in a pt with scum.

…Problem is?
You said that, not proven town. The only one who knows if your info is right, is you. I have no way of knowing that it's not scum telling a half truth and lying where convenient.

Don't pretend otherwise.

[mastina]

I'd like to point out also:
Parachute's rolestop was on themselves until just before deadline. I didn't know Parachute had changed targets until it'd have been too late.

Thus.
For me to be scum.
I'd have to have banked on ME winning the draw.

Because again.
Parachutes self-rolestopped; for me to have killed them, I'd have had to target them KNOWING that they self targeted.

When they DID realize what rolestops do, they self-protected instead of protecting nom. BUT THEN, they later changed their protection target to match mine, nom.

That last minute addition rofl

These are not mutually exclusive statements and when I am on my fucking desktop I can fucking prove it with timestamps.

[nomnomnom]

Rolestopping wouldn't block me, it would block all actions on me. It makes me an ascetic BP for the night.

I am still cleared by the mechanics of this game though, so yeah. Mastina's just trying to gambit and failing at it.

If the information that you gave yesterday is true? Sure!
You said that scum can't both be in a pt; you said that scum making an extra pt delays nightless; you said that you were in a pt with scum.

…Problem is?
You said that, not proven town. The only one who knows if your info is right, is you. I have no way of knowing that it's not scum telling a half truth and lying where convenient.

Don't pretend otherwise.

What's this over justification?

I should be scum from your POV, so what are you doing?

Also this is extremely gross given that you accepted that as gospel yesterday and a fast reason to push C/N out of the game, which is the thing that made me start worrying you could be masterminding all of this in the first place. And I guess I was right.

[nomnomnom]

Chutes was right, there was only one reason to give town this extra PT, and that's because they knew they didn't win this yesterday. C/N was scum-looking as fuck and you insta-bussed him.

[mastina]

Then again it could just very well be a watch PT and the result would be the same and the rolestop PT stuff is just trying to induce me in error.

But I'll pretend it's true for a second. Who do you think is scum here?

I don't know.

Like I said.

I was planning on instavoting Parachutes.

Their play was textbook scumplay.
I don't have a scumspect because my fucking scumspect was the fucking night kill.

If you're town it should be obvious that nom is scum. Otherwise I would have hammered you by now......

Not necessarily.

I role claimed VT to nom, but not publicly. If you were scum, you'd be worried about the possibility that I am a vengeful townie.

I'm not, but until this post? You'd not have that.

Slow-rolling is a thing. Caution as scum is what I always use. I ALWAYS wait for the town to cross-vote as scum, JUST to be sure.

And I expect no different from you. I'm not voting nom, because I am NOT sure you're not scum slow-rolling.

[nomnomnom]

I role claimed VT to nom, but not publicly. If you were scum, you'd be worried about the possibility that I am a vengeful townie.

W H A T

[mastina]

Chutes was right, there was only one reason to give town this extra PT, and that's because they knew they didn't win this yesterday. C/N was scum-looking as fuck and you insta-bussed him.

Problem with that:
I wanted them dead D2.
I instavoted them D3…
…And then left the thread.

If I were scum powerbussing, I'd have stuck around to push them.

I left because if they were town, I didn't want to be around for the fallout.

In lylos, when I cast a vote as scum, I stay around in case I need to explain.
When I cast votes as town, I vacate the thread immediately.

Again, if I wasn't phoneposting, I could give you examples, but I am unable to until I get home.

[nomnomnom]

This is the definition of insanity.

The fact you are not voting me in a situation where the scum should be obvious to you but you say it isn't because "slowrolling" is just completely insane.

The fact you still believe there is a world where we're both town is just what the fuck

[nomnomnom]

Like that kind of discussion is insane because it's obvious you just never vote Otter here anyway. It's just pointless fluff. In a LYLO where you're practically caught scum.

[mastina]

I role claimed VT to nom, but not publicly. If you were scum, you'd be worried about the possibility that I am a vengeful townie.

W H A T

There's nothing confusing about that.

You, nom, know that I am a VT. I claimed it to you N2, after you specifically asked me if I was a PR. I told you I wasn't.

That info was never shared publicly. So LuckyOtter wouldn't KNOW that I am a VT.
Yes I think it obvious personally since I gave it away D1, but a cautious LuckyOtter wouldn't take the risk.

My profile of LuckyOtter is that of a methodical player who takes no risks. Hammering me is a risk.

[mastina]

Like that kind of discussion is insane because it's obvious you just never vote Otter here anyway. It's just pointless fluff. In a LYLO where you're practically caught scum.

Yeah the thing is.
Lylo, caught scum, and mastina are mutually exclusive in a sentence.

As scum, I make sure to take the least risky path that leaves me the most options.

Killing my fucking rival suspect especially when they were self protecting until too late for me to see otherwise is the polar opposite.

And again. I can fucking prove all of this …
…Once I am home and not phoneposting.

[nomnomnom]

As scum, I make sure to take the least risky path that leaves me the most options.

I wouldn't call "forced to have a vote on a player and putting my destiny on the hands of a player that called me the lynchpin of the scumteam" the least risky path because that's what you're implying here.

[nomnomnom]

"Least risky path" would be to do this then make a post like this and implying you would get to hammer in this LYLO. Now THAT is a bunch of options to go for.

On the one hand, thank you scum for potentially game throwing. If Parachutes was left alive I'd have instavoted them, allowing for a scum win.

On the other hand.

Fuck you, scum. I'm in lylo. I didn't deserve to live past D2. Even with living, because I can be mislynched, I guess.
Unless I am voted, I probably am going to be the hammer vote, and I literally have no clue which of you it is.

Also.
Double fuck you, because regardless of which of you it is, you made me protect scum.

And.
Triple fuck you, because by putting me in the pt last night, you significantly reduced the odds I'd be voted, meaning that I probably WILL have that hammer.

And goddammit this would be SO MUCH SIMPLER if all I had to do is defend myself and case who votes me, but nooooooooooooooooooooo. You had to make me look town.

So fuck you.

[mastina]

And the real kicker is.
In spite of nom's gaslighting.
I still am not sure that they are scum.
In fact, it's slightly BECAUSE of the gas lighting that I have my Doubs since it's something that doesn't seem like scum.

Stupid. Delusional. Manipulative. Yes. But not scum.

And that's why I am fairly sure that the game will be over by the time I am home.

[nomnomnom]

Just put your money where your mouth is now.

If you truly think I can't be scum despite me voting you and that Otter is just slowrolling this then just put that conviction on the table. What you're doing is just gross and serves no purpose.

[nomnomnom]

or alternatively just end this stupidity and just vote me lol

[mastina]

As scum, I make sure to take the least risky path that leaves me the most options.

I wouldn't call "forced to have a vote on a player and putting my destiny on the hands of a player that called me the lynchpin of the scumteam" the least risky path because that's what you're implying here.

The least risky path is killing you and leaving LuckyOtter alive.
LuckyOtter didn't scumread me and you did. Ergo in a 1v1 with Parachutes, LuckyOtter is more likely to side with me than you are.

In contrast, you are likely to vote me in lylo. Especially when your only other suspect just flipped town.

LuckyOtter is more likely to vote me than you.

Killing Parachutes is literally suicidal for me.
Yes, I think killing Parachutes was suicidal REGARDLESS of who's scum, but it is the MIST suicidal for ME.

[mastina]

Just put your money where your mouth is now.

If you truly think I can't be scum despite me voting you and that Otter is just slowrolling this then just put that conviction on the table. What you're doing is just gross and serves no purpose.

I already said that I DON'T know who it is.

I DON'T know that LuckyOtter is slow-rolling.
I DON'T know that you are scum.

I DON'T know, because I was 200% sure that the last scum was Parachutes …
…Who for some fucking reason. Ate the fucking night kill.

And I don't know who is more likely to pull that stunt. It's like 55/45 Otter/nom.

[mastina]

Also,vfuck. My battery is during, so I need to leave for home. I don't want my phone yo die on MW, it'd be a bit of a nuisance.

So, really CAN'T respond anymore until I am home.
Not that I expect it to matter because I still suspect LucjyOtter as scum, so.

[mastina]

Okay, I am home, and can now back some statements up. I'll start them off with a pagetop.