Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

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VOTE: saladman

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VOTE: cinnamon

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Im drunk

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NOBODY TOLD ME DANCING JESUS WAS HERE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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And then I spout out like 10 posts from the person with snarky 1 line commentary and they get lynched.

Are you trying to get me lynched scumbutt

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SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT ME WHILE I'M DRUNK SO I CAN TOWNTELL FUCKING ASSHOLES

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If i told you it could actually get sadder would you believe me

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Wait whar

I'm not at home

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Have you seen a movie where the protagonist's big break is actually just getting fucked

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I'm fuckin stupid dude

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D U M B

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And town

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But stupid

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Stew peed.

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Why are there sad people when there's super convenient wifi

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Wait where is the edit button what the fuck

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Dunno

Best play is for them to towntell as hard as humanly possible

UNVOTE:

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Dunno

Best play is for them to towntell as hard as humanly possible

UNVOTE:

Are you still drunk?

Because that's a horrible post buddy.

why is it horrible?

I think I agree with him? Hold miller claim off till Lylo-1, and if he is obv town enough scum will have to kill him because town won't end up doing it at Lylo-1

It was more the unvote I was talking about.

??? I was voting for the miller claim

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I need to try soon

But this whole thread looks like word soup to me atm

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I, will be caught up by tomorrow

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I know everybody has forgotten page 3 by now but why was cinnamon discussing their modifiers?????

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Biggest takeaway as of page 9 is that nom can't generate scum reads

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I know everybody has forgotten page 3 by now but why was cinnamon discussing their modifiers?????

WOOOOOOOOOOW

Flubber, please reread the game, even your drunk posts.

I'm not following your issue here.

The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim

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Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

If one of buj and skitter flip scum I'd push on this as implicating the other

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Pg 13

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Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Wagon speed onto vorkuta at around this point didnt feel right

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Too fast or stalling?

Fast

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I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

I feel like I missed a post or something, how does that make teacher scum?

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

This is another nonsensical read.

Skitter has significantly better communication skills than vork. That's a much better reason to attribute people sheeping skitter over vork

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Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

Hmmmm.

You seem to acknowledge to a similar degree what I was getting at, but still come to a wildly different conclusion. I'd love to talk about this but honestly I don't wven know what to ask

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Pikachu still reads like careful scum to me

And it's interesting how many townreads I seem to have attracted recently.

I wonder what was the catalyst.

I don't think the way pika is skeptical of their reads gives them the flexibility to change their read trajectories the way scum would want to

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ok, why are they townie?

saladman reads are pretty townie overall i think

His first set of reads or his second? or both?

oh I see what you guys are asking

I'm talking about the reads he gave in 605-610. He's laying it all out there on request, in fairly short order. Some of them, like the read on nom I think show a townie thought process and solving. There's no immediately identifiable scum agenda outside of trying to get himself town read.

Getting town read seems like a reasoable scum agenda tho

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But I’m sitill a bit directionless. And before you start saying ask questions, I don’t generally do make work unless a game is stagnant (this is not). I am a reaction player.

Kind of curious how you work with reactions when playing mafia given your schedule doesnt seem to give you a lot of time to post with people in real time

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The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim

*throws hands up in defeat*

Like no.
We're out of VCA, we have a ton of analysis, and it's extremely anti-town to just focus and give attention to one slot and one slot alone during ALLLL of D1.
Like ok- we lynch the miller claim D1 WITHOUT any discussion and then what?

D2 we're dry. No associatives, no info, no other interactions to analyze so that's it.

The way the discussion has led us in circles and explored other potential groupings is extremely important

It should have only been on the miller claim with respect to the claim as a whole. Of course you don't literally talk about the claim and only the claim

Bottom line is that 30+ pages in and the rolefishing in those 5 ish first pages still bugs the crap out of me

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Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Wagon speed onto vorkuta at around this point didnt feel right

Too fast or stalling?

Fast

Most people voting Vorkuta were people who previously expressed interest in voting Vorkuta

This is some bad analysis, and it seems like you're just defending vorkuta

I don't think testing the waters as to whether or not the game can get a wagon on a player that's prone to omgus and 1v1s is a good look either. Is that the only reason you find the vork wagon acceptable?

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I just finished my game with teacher a couple days ago, where he was acting exactly like he is now. I thought he was mafia for most of that game, and it turns out he was town. That's why I voted him in the first place and it's also the reason why I unvoted him once I found out that's just how he plays as town.

Does his play pick up in time?

I think teacher's passiveness is kind of scummy too. I'm conflicted between "give him a chance to town it up" and "if we don't lynch him for this now it's going to be a lot harder to get a lynch on him in later days.

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What I realized that game is that despite having no experience with Skitter, I already know 100% that people will react really fucking weird around her whatever alignment she is.

Right

So why are you scum reading skitter interactions while also saying they're nai?

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VOTE: nom

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The people on the vorkuta wagon

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I know i know i know they had *reasons* and stuff

Spare me

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No wait I think I see what you're getting at

"It's okay to sheep skitter" and "this wagon is too fast" don't make sense together.

UNVOTE:

Need to reread.

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I didn't reread but I xecided between sheeping skitter and vorkuta's wagon being bad I'm going to give up the latter

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Teacher seens town enough to me

What's the case on ED?

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Looks like an apathy lynch going off the iso

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I should be able to be more vigilant about being in the thread from now to DL

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You know I kinda hate the fact that I feel it's going to be another game where we don't reach a consensus on reads and we end up doing weird stuff as a result.

At least this is the impression that this day 1 gives me so far.

I have no faith in an EvilD lynch right now, it's basically admitting that no one has a case and that as a result it's better to go for the weirdo lurker. Like he could be the most obvious scum in the world or the easiest lynchbait.

This feels bad dude.

Huh

This mirrors my thoughts a lot

I still don't see why ED over me or saladman

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VOTE: saladman

Tbh I wouldn't feel awful about a wagon on me right now. Just note that as I get to L1 nobody is going to get nervous

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Pile it on

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I thought we already established that I am bad but honest.

Show me where

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And why that doesn't apply to ED also

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-Flubber case made before

You're not even voting me

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Teacher is the one on that list I'm not down to lynch

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Teacher is the one on that list I'm not down to lynch

Can u get ur vote on someone in this group then?

I'm still trying to figure out what makes ED a better lynch than the other lurkers

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I thought we already established that I am bad but honest.

This doesnt have me convinced

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Teacher seens town enough to me

What's the case on ED?

Looks like an apathy lynch going off the iso

@flubber do you have a read on ED of your own?

Nope

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My bigger concern is that other people do seem to have a read

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Pile it on

This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?

Skitter, do you have much experience with flubber? I've interacted with him more outside of mafia games than in. I don't even know if we've played together before, but this fits with my personality read on him. I think he can make this post as either alignment

and he kind of has to after that post I yikes'd lol

Last time we played together you were vt, I was scum, and I tried coasting the game off a scum read on you.

My scum game isn't great but I'm well past having to lurk it out

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Teacher is the one on that list I'm not down to lynch

Can u get ur vote on someone in this group then?

I'm still trying to figure out what makes ED a better lynch than the other lurkers

Continued absence of a read of his own

There's enough content and scum reads on active players that it doesn't make sense to be wagoning a lurker, and I'm not going to fake a read on a slot with such little content like the rest of the town seems to take solace in.

I've asked multiple people multiple times to talk to me about why ED is scum because I'm not going to be able to start brute force looking through the thread for them and have been ignored.

What is your read on ED?

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Also yikes isn't a foundation to lynch me on so try again

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Dunno. Why should Buj interest me?

Is vork being wagoned for being scummy or annoying.

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Let me look more closely at what urap has been saying about buj

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Got any reasons in your iso for scum reading ed, nero?

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As for the rti thing that's just some weird shade. It's like you can't just accept I townread you you have to do something sneaky.

She plays at different times than I do and she was vla a lot this game. Also I don't force conversations. I don't have a way to really explain why you're town to me. I've slso not given this game that much attention. My motivation fluctuates. Especislly when I don't feel my reads changing at all despite other people not agreeing. Like we're definitely at an impasse as town and so the importance of lynching right day 1 becomes significantly less. We just need info at this point to change it up a little have people say new things.

Like, this is a scum motivation masked by makeup and cheap perfumes

This seems too easy which normally wouldn't make me skeptical, but buj is always scummy iirc

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I had a lot of issues being sble to actually focus on what was actually being said in the thread when I caught up due to a bunch of IRL stress. I'm missing obvious things but trying to read it all again isn't fixing that

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Got any reasons in your iso for scum reading ed, nero?

This wasn't a challenge. It was a "say yes and Ill make the time to look through your ISO"

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@urap

I don't see anything wrong with buj's reads list, he looks like he's trying to solve the game, and I've been calling out the fact that this game is apathy lynching several times and yet it's only concerning when buj does the same thing but with more words?

This selective scum read thing this town likes to do needs to stop.

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Actually, you're cherry picking posts to scum read me too

VOTE: urap

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I can see Vork's point about the "Don't know how to play this" comment at the beginning, but the rest of the points I don't really get. Adding the WIFOM of it being a modifier can only help us. If somebody scum reads them, the fact that they've softed PR should mean nothing until they make an actual claim.

In post 116, Flubbernugget wrote:
Im drunk

Oh boy, I've been here before.

So he supports vorks push but with a hedge, and then argues against anyone taking the claim into account while making their reads. It's fence-sitting to the extreme

hold on i just got an email and I gotta see if I'm gonna be able to buy dave chappelle tickets or not hold this thought

I have no clue what you're trying to say here but i dont like the rolefish from ed

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I have no clue what you're trying to say here but i dont like the rolefish from ed

you're not drunk again right? He's talking about the miller claim?

It looked like he was fishing the not miller part of the claim

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Which I'm not allowed to call a modifier because that makes me drunk too

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Dude, urap was saying that ED's post was like, "blah blah blah this is what theoretical people do in response to a miller claim"

He wasn't like "I believe the miller claim" or "I don't believe the miller claim"

how do you get "fishing for modifiers" out of that post?

I quoted weird. I am accusing ED of fishing, not urap

"If somebody scum reads them, the fact that they've softed PR should mean nothing until they make an actual claim."

Sounds like ED wanted to keep cinn a viable L1 target either to lynch or to get a fullclaim

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Allow me to add to the slime by bettint there'd be mod intervention by now if shoshin wasn't full of crap ie was trust telling

VOTE: shoshin

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i'm really, *really* wary of people townreading me for no good reason

You're easy to gutread town as either alignment tbf

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I'm starting to wonder if there's scum in the mire active players

I guess i'm also starting to lose my townread on nero

Yeah nero needs to come in and town it up a bit

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Nom's 851 should've cleared up Flubb's concerns. But Flubb ignores the sensible towny explanation, looks for reasons to continue attacking Nom in 856, and then votes him. This interaction doesn't feel natural for a townie at all.

This got cleared up like 5 posts after the one you linked

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What do you say to someone mentioning that teacher is easily read by post count?

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falling behind again will catch up tomorrow

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quick reads

detective seems obvtown
skitter is in that weird townread area she's always in
kinda thought vork was town until they disappeared once the pressure was off them

urap's posts look town but I haven't been a fan of their pushes
same with nom

shoshin still looks scum but slightly less than before

still can't figure out salad townreads and shoshin/ed wagon still looks like it could have been to protect them

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oh uhh buj looks town and i need to revisit teacher because I turned my brain off after I saw 'solvable by post count' but probably shouldnt have done that

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So as of page 66 this is the absolute worst push on a cop claim I have ever seen.

UNVOTE:

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I have a 3hr drive then ketchup

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Can I get teacher and DP to give some thoughts on this please

I'm having mixed feelings, I'm trying to decide whether we're playing [a game where town lynches strongest PR d1] or [a game where town let's scum get off from a strong investigative claim], I've lost games to both of those scenarios before

I think I would like the sho lynch more if nom hadn't started pinging me just a little bit, but uhh, I also recognize that my 'pace' in deciding things like this tends to be a lot slower than most town are okay with

(Still feel bad for Egix, did you see that he conceded and mod actually denied it? Ughh that was like, a huge reason I was second guessing myself on him because I was pretty sure he would concede. sorry this is o/t)

I found a little more time.

This is simple.

Shoshin gets lynched before lylo.

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scum is sho, skitter and dp?

this is a god-awful read, no offense

Damn, beat me to it

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Pg 69 ok now i have to go

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just show of hands how many people really really really don't want to lynch nom today again?

I'm down

The handling of this cop claim is atrocious

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As of page 74 im not interested in catching up any further

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Actually, I want to try and skip to where the shoshin wagon finally broke down

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skitter, I know you think I'm scum, but you're wrong and I'm not gonna fight with you over my alignment again like last game. That whole thing we did I think is part of how my reads got so far off track. table me for now and lynch flubber please

if flubber flips green i'll probably tunnel you

If im the lynch for today quote this after i flip.

He deserves it.

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man, im tired of the day.


Why do you think im a good lynch?

Because you've done jack shit except run up a player you weren't scum reading and are trying to get a second claim out of me.

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is there a reason we can't wagon urap or ... ?

If we're talking strictly about resistance to wagons, I think urap has gotten way more of that than Nero

Yep

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You know what let's just do this

VOTE: flubber

That catch-up is just atrocious, shading a few people in the matter of a few posts, open to a few different quicklynches with little time left.
I'll settle for this lynch. Don't go for NC. Just don't.

Bullshit.

I can why it looks like I'm shading nero

But urap? Nah.

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I didn’t like flubbers drive by and ignoring intent on them.

Fwiw i didnt see the intent until about 15 mins ago

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How is my handling of the cop claim "atrocious"?

I want to laugh lol

Please do

And while you're at it I'm going to claim cop too. That way you waste the rest of this day screaming into the void just to be ignored so the adults in the room can finally talk a little

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You know what let's just do this

VOTE: flubber

That catch-up is just atrocious, shading a few people in the matter of a few posts, open to a few different quicklynches with little time left.
I'll settle for this lynch. Don't go for NC. Just don't.

Bullshit.

I can why it looks like I'm shading nero

But urap? Nah.

Shaded me, nero, urap in the matter of a few posts.
You are exactly what I was talking about when I was talking about scums taking the opportunity to create a last-minute wagon and feed off this impending chaos.
You just need to die. You're opportunistically looking for a new wagon to form and NC is solely on the list because he's the second wagon. That's fairly obvious to me.

I've been pointing out your pushes are shit since the beginning of the game. I've been doing it with urap since about halfway in the game.

You acting like I'm trying to cause chaos when it's in my interest as either alignment to not be lynched and I'm the leading wagon is a crock of shit.

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VOTE: urap

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Oh. And reading into my incident at the beginning of the game is fucking stupid. I get why people did it initally. It was the only "content" I had. But now? Two days before the deadline? And you're trying to scum case off of it? Bahahahaha fuck no. I have real game content now.

Alright urap. I said it before and it looks like I have to say it now too. Try again.

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Flubber are you claiming a full cop or is your cop claim gated as well?

Wasn't a real claim.

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I think Shoshin resolves soon enough.

Wow! So do I! That's why it's a waste of my damn time do an extensive analysis of their play!

Try again.

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Prior to shoshin replacing in and prior to the thread exploading, flubber's positioning on ED was based ENTIRELY on other people's reads. Here are the posts from his iso

Yeah this is how you read lurkers.

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Then, once shoshin replaced in we get:

In post 1306, Flubbernugget wrote:
Allow me to add to the slime by bettint there'd be mod intervention by now if shoshin wasn't full of crap ie was trust telling

VOTE: shoshin



and that vote sat for a period of 700 posts over the course of which he made a few posts so it wasn't that he didn't have an opportunity to change the vote in that time

that's what I was referring to and I really don't think it's a characterization of what happened.

Doesn't mean I fully caught up and even then I was making attempts to sort shoshin as an individual. It's not my fault there was no need to follow up

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salad could plausibly flip scum, reading newbies is hard. but his desire to form consensus and move on with the game seems +townie to me. I wouldn't like, bet money on him being town, but I don't really see why he's scum?

The fact the shoshin got run up despite ed and salad being equally likely suggests salad is scum

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Flubber, I want your thoughts on Nero.

Null to scum. I don't scum read his posts but he's really good at sitting on bad wagons.

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Shoshin replaces EvilDeanius!

Wut

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ED's posts were pure fluff, salad's kinda looked (maybe?) like newbie solving, like

there wasn't a LOT in each of the isos

but you kinda have consistently acted like each iso was just 'the same' because they were short

I have no problem acting like the ISOs are equivalent. Especially on D1. Lurker slots are easy for scum to push regardless of the content. There's exceptions, but not here.

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I keep forgetting youre in this game jfc

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Anyway that probably means I've been giving salad attention that should have been shared with dunn

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VOTE: flubber

I read this as a self preservation vote, yes?

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VOTE: flubber

I read this as a self preservation vote, yes?

to an extent but scum could just easily vote you but they aren't, why do you think they aren't?

I don't have a single town read on my wagon so I have no clue what the hell you're going on about

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Pretty sure we wouldn't be competing wagons if lynching me gave an easier solve than lynching you

And "just take one for the team" lmao get the fuck out of here

VOTE: nero

You wouldn't be placing survival votes if you actually believed that nonsense

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Don't get your feefees so hurt kid

Its a survival vote and there's more likely scum on my wagon then yours

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*than

Oof

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Maybe I misread your frustration

Either way I'm not wrong for leveling out the wagons

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Flubbernugget (6): Vorkuta, Dunnstral, u r a person 2, Saladman27, nomnomnom, Nero Cain (L-1)

This feels like it has one scum as a whole wagon, but there's a lot of good candidates in it.

I'm obvs scumreading urap

Still would expect a scum in {dunn,salad} and I'm tempted to add vork to this since he drops off the radar a lot

Not a fan of nom but would be willing to chalk this up to us not seeing eye to eye

Nero woud make a good poe lynch out of this list but at that point town's already lost I think

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Town isn't screwed regardless of which one of us gets lynched.

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He qased you eventually

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Holy shrt this one took a while

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Gg all, thanks for hosting mod