I can't imagine that all of scum's kills failed.In post 397, popsofctown wrote:No alisae whyyyyy
Would we want a gun to claim if they performed the kill or does it even matter
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Something Smart am I scum?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It's day 2 I am ready for Something_Conan I was promised great things"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It doesn't matter if the town gun did the kill for anything other than nk speculation, and for that purpose it's probably not too messy of an assumption to assume that alisae was shot by scum/the advantage of knowing that the kill wasn't by scum is probably outweighed by the advantage of having an unclaimed named townie.
That said, Alisae's death if it was from scum kinda points to pine-town. Alisae was the only person really advocating for pine-town. E was pushing me and pops and was willing to jump on xyzzy and S_S but I still feel like pops and S_S are town. Maybe I'm wrong on pops but his posting just has so many tonal things that are annoying to fake as scum and the arc of his read on me is something that's really, really hard to fake, even if it's not exactly committal. It's possible if they're both town that scum killed alisae just to secure a pine mislynch. I don't see much reason for scum-pine to make the kill in the first place unless it's pine+pops and then idk why pine, the scum who has been lurking for an entire day phase, would come out and *hard* bus his one scumbuddy.-
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You and xyzzy were basically collectively holding the game up yesterday. Why shouldn't town go after you, particularly in a setup with only two scum?In post 399, Pine wrote:In fact, the only real effort I can see is against a popular target (S_S) and two absentees (xyzzy and I.)-
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I stared at your ISO for like ten minutes and couldn't come up with an answer.In post 401, popsofctown wrote:Something Smart am I scum?
Your pushes have all been weak. But, a lot of times scum will stay away from the LHF because they can get townpoints defending them later. That's my scum style. Is it yours? Who knows.
Your grandstanding on xyzzy feels like you genuinely don't know or think he'll flip town. But humorous overconfidence is something that a lot of people can fake as scum. Is that something you do? Who knows.
Alisae didn't really have a strong read on you, e had you as town and then later mentioned you as scum due to your weak push on Pine. Do you kill em for that? Who knows. Depends on your partner probably.
You have a lot of valid points. Would you be able to make those points as scum? Probably.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Maybe the answer to those "Who knows" questions is "Pine." He professed to have some experience with you, hopefully he can weigh in.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Because being absent site-wide (non-games do not count, there's a very different investment metric) is NAI. It's usually due to life, and I would think you'd respect my game enough to know that intentional lurking like that isn't really a worthwhile strategy. Especially if it were to start backfiring.In post 405, implosion wrote:
You and xyzzy were basically collectively holding the game up yesterday. Why shouldn't town go after you, particularly in a setup with only two scum?In post 399, Pine wrote:In fact, the only real effort I can see is against a popular target (S_S) and two absentees (xyzzy and I.)
Yes, absentees need pressure to get back in the game, but that comes from the mod in the form of prods. Throwing shade and votes is an ineffective method for catching the attention of someone who isn't current on the gamestate, and will therefore not actually receive the message. Pressure-voting lurkers is a garbage strategy for Town."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It's been a while for both of us.In post 407, Something_Smart wrote:Maybe the answer to those "Who knows" questions is "Pine." He professed to have some experience with you, hopefully he can weigh in."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Not what i mean. It's not about lurking being a worthwhile strategy. It's about it being impossible to fully sort a game where it's possible that the entire scumteam isn't playing.Because being absent site-wide (non-games do not count, there's a very different investment metric) is NAI. It's usually due to life, and I would think you'd respect my game enough to know that intentional lurking like that isn't really a worthwhile strategy. Especially if it were to start backfiring.-
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From a tactical perspective, I mean. Not suggesting there was anything untoward. Stupid English language.In post 412, Pine wrote:I get that. I understand the ire at having absent players - but I don't think the response wasappropriate."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The constant sniping at me followed by 270 is not like, a good scum tactic. All it's really likely to do is draw my ire. And then 347 in its entirety just feels like genuine read development, both the part about me and the part about you and joining the xyzzy wagon. His constant interjections with semi-game related things but also having content feels like a pattern that's tonaly consistent with town who is invested in the game but also not taking it too seriously.-
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I can respect that. Honestly, my case against him is pretty circumstantial. There's nothing really damning. Everything he's doing, I've seen Town do. However, the preponderance of "why would Town do this?" is just so strong, and this isn't an "innocent until proven guilty" situation."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The way he's talked about prodding you is also something that he doesn't really have much reason to go out of his way to do as scum when he's not under pressure. I think he had a genuine investment in un-clogging the gamestate, and the clogged gamestate was definitely beneficial for scum yesterday, reasons notwithstanding.-
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I agree with this, actually, and you put it better than I could.In post 416, implosion wrote:His constant interjections with semi-game related things but also having content feels like a pattern that's tonaly consistent with town who is invested in the game but also not taking it too seriously.
That said, it's one of the things that I know some people are able to fake perfectly as scum, and that's why I've been asking around to see if anyone has better meta experience with him.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Hmmm.
Okay, you make some reasonable points. However, I just looked over my notes, and the PoE strongly points to him too.
xyzzy and Ali are dead, and cyanjet continues to have no content.In post 378, Pine wrote:Town (no particular order)
hitogoroshi
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Lady Lambdadelta
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Let's table Pops, I don't see one of us convincing the other.
Thoughts on LLD? This looks like her scumgame, though she's playing it close to the vest.
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What's LLD's scumgame look like? I've never seen it.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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A notch above active lurking, sniping, hitting targets of opportunity, flexible reads. Tends not to take hard stands.Something_Smart wrote:What's LLD's scumgame look like? I've never seen it.
Could be outdated or blinkered by perspective, I think I've only played a couple of games with her in the last few years."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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