Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.27

Shoshin (5):

Flubbernugget, nomnomnom, Saladman27, Nero Cain, u r a person 2

(L-2)

teacher (2):

NerfedBuJ, skitter30

Flubbernugget (2):

Vorkuta, Cinnamon

Vorkuta (1):

Dunnstral

Nero Cain (1):

Shoshin

nomnomnom (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (1):

teacher

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[Detective Pikachu]

You literally implied he had scum intent and outlined a good reason to do it, but you decide to vote a slot that "pinged you twice"?

I don't feel like I implied there was scum intent in asking the question, he felt more out of touch to me which could be scummy but could just be teachery weirdness

your tone just feels wolfy to me in this push

[skitter30]

Alright. Let's phrase it this way.

If this flips cop, you can 100% lynch me tomorrow and I'll even self-vote.

I am THAT sure she is fakeclaiming and scum. Is that clear enough?

not sure this comes from scum either really

[Vorkuta]

VC TIME FINALLY

[skitter30]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

still isn't true

[Nero Cain]

Crap, I just pulled a Nero.

[Shoshin]

Response to Vork:

Spoiler:

STUFF THAT LOOKS BAD TO ME
-Shoshin's defense is gross and loaded with a ton of personal appeals which isn't something I expect from her. Then again I've never seen a wagon on her (only scum NK's ) so I have yet to decide whether this is flailing scum or genuinely how town shoshin responds

Personal appeals are not scummy. Who told you they were? This is how I play when under this level of pressure, nothing scummy.

-The OMGUS, the "I can't town read you until you unvote me", the "this game is doomed, town is bad" is just.....

OMGUS isn't scummy. It's also not what I was doing. There's a lot of context there that you're missing, as I'm weighing whether these specific players should scumread me based on the information they have available. This is part of how I scumhunt. My scumread on Morality in Mini 2058 is an example of this. You've seen it before. If you're confused on the context of a specific read in this game, ask about it please.

-70% of shoshin's defense is her sitting on prior laurels

It's more like 30% of the defense. My point is that my slot is town because I strongly townread it before replacing in. You can trust my reads. Remember when I defended against your lynch as Suka in Autumn's Farewell? You were mislynched but I was the only player in the game strongly townreading you. You should know to trust me on this. You also saw me strongly defend Chemist in that recent multiball game. I sometimes have strong townreads on players that others don't, and I'm right about these reads. This is not reason to suspect my slot, it's reason to trust me.

-I hate the modifier game that shoshin is playing. I've done it as scum. I grumble at this.

I can't control what role I got. In Autumn's Farewell, a normal game, I was also a PR. Remember? I redacted part of my role as well, because it had multiple parts.

-I might just lolvote just to prove nom completely wrong tbh

Do not do this.

-So one of my mentors told me to look for the fact scum on D2/D1 tend to focus on hard defending themselves, while town still have some "scumhunting fight" left in them and at least try to get reads down, and that worked really well in JAZZ imho.

Who told you this? They're not entirely correct. Town will hard defend themselves when under pressure like this, at least good town will. Bad town will let themselves get lynched. That said, notice that even as I'm defending myself I'm still trying to sort players, I'm asking questions and pushing back on things to try sorting. I keep asking for more time to sort even if I'm going to die. Notice these things.

[Shoshin]

Skitter, I'd like update on your Nero read when you're fully caught up.

I also want Pika's take on Nero. It's fine if you suspect Nom but that doesn't mean he's the only scum in the game. Is Nero scum or town?

[skitter30]

Skitter, why do you say shoshin is far outside her range, and what kind of confidence level do you have there?

p confident
won't vote here today

i think i sufficiently answered why this doesn't look like her scumgame

[Detective Pikachu]

1562 is actually one of the posts that most bothered me mostly because I don't really understand where the hyperconfidence is coming from

I'm just gonna let this game simmer for a bit in my brain

pedit: I'll get right on that when my brain doesn't feel like mush

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit you were Suka as well?

[skitter30]

yeah the hyperconfidence is weird but like .... if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble ... what do u think of the fact that urap said basically the same thing

@shoshin i don't like nero's push on u

[skitter30]

actually skitter can actually confirm that too, i made an ass of myself when her and her mason partner claimed mason, just sat there laughing lmao

she did do the random laughing thing, yeah

[nomnomnom]

if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble

good thing she always flips scum here

[Nero Cain]

if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble

good thing she always flips scum here

[skitter30]

It’s because you unvoted.

huh

[skitter30]

she's not

[teacher]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

[nomnomnom]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

Because I know she has 0% chances of flipping town.

Making this slot flip makes town win the game on the spot.

[u r a person 2]

yeah the hyperconfidence is weird but like .... if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble ... what do u think of the fact that urap said basically the same thing

@shoshin i don't like nero's push on u

okay not quite the same thing. I'd make em fight for my mislynch

but I said I'd concede the scum reads on me =P

UNVOTE:

We're not in a super rush here. I think I'm taking the rest of the night off of this one

@skitter what would you estimate your accuracy is on sho, and what is your current confidence level?

[teacher]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

Because I know she has 0% chances of flipping town.

Making this slot flip makes town win the game on the spot.

Ok, you have that degree of confidence. I do not. So given where you are, why not form the consensus that is in line with your reads and still accomplishes the goal.

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

Personal appeals are not scummy. Who told you they were? This is how I play when under this level of pressure, nothing scummy.

It's just one of my personal gut pings, and something that I did when pushed to a wall. It seemed that you were "overplaying" your card. Like

OMGUS isn't scummy. It's also not what I was doing.

eeehhhhh fine I'm willing to accept the nuance that goes along with it

This is not reason to suspect my slot, it's reason to trust me.

I swear this, combined with "I don't replace into scummy slots" is bordering really close to trust tell territory

Do not do this.

There's a gif for this somewhere

That said, notice that even as I'm defending myself I'm still trying to sort players

Yeah this gives me the most pause tbh

TL;DR
I've given RC the exact same level of respect/leeway in our previous game together (NC's mini 2070 and that worked out quite well) immediately after NK2058 so I should probably extend the same courtesy to shoshin. Worst case scenario I lose in a brand new way and learn something out of it

formally opposing shoshin wagon

[teacher]

@URAP, I dont know if they have been Overtaken By Events, but Im still looking for the Vork/Nom town cases.

[teacher]

formally opposing shoshin wagon

[nomnomnom]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

Because I know she has 0% chances of flipping town.

Making this slot flip makes town win the game on the spot.

Because I know vork's lynch would not amount to her lynch and you should know that too.

It's all a game of perception and making the best moves with what you see.

And what I see is a fakeclaim and a move that town needs to make today. Lynch Shoshin. I guarantee you this wins the game.

If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
Ok, you have that degree of confidence. I do not. So given where you are, why not form the consensus that is in line with your reads and still accomplishes the goal.