Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]

[popsofctown]

LLD seems like someone who would kill Alisae and I am kind of less fond of her d2 play. She's pushing for an already popular wagon and if we don't get more info out of d2 and pine flips green we are in trouble.

She doesn't feel like she's sorting other slots. Really it could even be a bus, just the strategy of, go ham on someone D1, go ham on someone else D2, go ham on yet another person D3.. if she's tunneling it will be harder to read her.

I don't actually know LLD or anyone else in thread for that. Hito and imp have been ages

[Pine]

Ok I’m comfortable with an LLD vote now.

VOTE: LLD

????????

I was holding off to give her a chance to show up and change my mind. She didn’t.

Reading is hard, I know.

[Cephrir]

shhhh we weren't going to talk about the potential bus thing

[popsofctown]

This coffee is top sweet and maybe that's my fault for getting a "girly" drink but in my defense I have a cold and need to be able to drink it fast to help with it

[popsofctown]

Maybe I caught a cold from the stress of not having this game solved

[popsofctown]

There you go

[implosion]

hito just keeps saying a lot of opinions but i can imagine his next post including a vote on lld or pine, or pushing haschel more, or pivoting onto s_s or something. Basically hito seems to be playing in such a way so as to look like he has a very transparent thought process but I really don't see any kind of thought formation that can't be very easily faked by scum.

The way LLD threatened me seems like not what I think her scum MO would be with me pushing her at this point. I feel like if she's scum she probably would have called me scum with Pine by now. That might just be entirely misreading how she plays scum, but it makes me feel like she has actual reads guiding how she's approaching the game and isn't just lashing out for the sake of it. And I'm just unsold on Pine. That vote on LLD isn't materially bad. It's obvious he was going to vote her regardless of his alignment at that point and the phrasing of the post is like slightly awkward but I don't think it's especially scummily so

VOTE: hito

I guess pine is the only other person voting LLD at this point but I really just think this is scum atm

[implosion]

To elaborate I feel like jumping around a lot with a vote is usually a towntell these days. And I feel like changing your mind a lot is often a towntell these days. And I don't see hito actually showing signs that he's going through the motions of evaluating and re-evaluating reads. He's harping on pops for not using his vote, when hito is using his vote on haschel when there are dueling lld/pine wagons and not pushing haschel, not convincing other people to vote haschel, not trying to convince people to unvote from either of the pine/lld wagons, after he harped on me for using my vote without trying to aggregate support or work with people to sort the person I was voting... he's not actually utilizing his vote, he's just putting it somewhere and complaining about other people who are doing exactly as little with theirs. there's 0 sign of a consistent internal thought process in how he's approaching the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay, it’s pretty clear I’m not going anywhere with my pops vote. You guys are fucking blind.

seems kinda weird that you're writing off the pops town readers as all town when presumably one could be a nefarious scumbuddy you catch by judging the insincerity of the TR

Too much circumstantial and personality based evidence to ignore. Pine feels like he needs to be scum here, trying to organize a lynch of a player who could wake up from her stupor and swing the game at any time.

But what's your view of implosion here, LLD? Pine's switch to you seems largely to just be him following implosion after pops wagon didn't work out. I don't like how he abandoned pops wagon, but your argument seems contingent on the fact the swap is to you specifically, which seems a lot more rooted in implosion's play than Pine's.

I think in games full of passive players, the nka often doesn't need to get any more complicated than "kill the active players". Alisae was town read by like everybody, posting a lot and voting, I think that is probably the reason e died.

HITO, BLOOD PACT ENGAGED.

IT'S TIME.

Lemme keep a bead on Haschel for a bit and get back to you. I'm actually not that skeeved by Pine's jump on you, although I AM skeeved about the point I made above.

pops, whats up with the no vote chief

MY VIEW OF IMPLO IS HE IS NOT BUSSING THE SCUM AND IS INSTEAD VOTING YOU.

SEEMS BAD.

[implosion]

[popsofctown]

Implo bus the scum

[Pine]

Nah. Implo is Town. I spotted a Towntell.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CHOO CHOO IMPLO

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.2

Lady Lambdadelta [1] - Pine
Haschel Cedricson [1] - hitogoroshi
Pine [3] - Lady Lambdadelta, cyanjet, Cephrir
hitogoroshi [1] - implosion

Not Voting [3]

- popsofctown, Something_Smart, Haschel Cedricson

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-26 21:00:00)

[hitogoroshi]

I mean yeah technically speaking my vote would be more dynamic voting someone who is here, but sometimes when people lurk for all their fuckin worth it's more important to just discretely document that you're not going to just randomly forget about them. I think Pine has a pretty good shot of flipping scum! But I also think that Haschel's back half of D1 seemed pretty insincere, his first real post of D2/vote will be very instructive, and the fact he's suddenly gone radio silent makes me feel even more uneasy (because trying to fake the "well, I had three scum suspects and the game started with two of them flipping town, so let me try to reset my thought process" dance is an annoying thing for scum to do, so a very plausible reason for lurking is that it's exhausting to run the counterfactual). So I would be pretty unhappy ending day without another post from Haschel, which means I would be silly to put Pine at L-1. But I'm also not going to

diffuse

Pine wagon, because I am pretty fond of it overall. Maybe Haschel does a good post and I feel better about being L-1 on Pine; maybe he does a bad post and I want it more then Pine, which will be the time to try to monger for support.

also like... I almost want S_S to be scum at this point for his own sake?? the dude has made 80 posts and voted a single time, on the Pine lurker wagon because we yelled at him to. If he's town that's like going to Disneyland and spending all week in the bathroom playing with the hand dryer, or something. like dude you have hand dryers in the bathroom at school, why did you want to go to Disneyland. what's this doin for you

[hitogoroshi]

oh yeah I really like LLD trying to dare implo on to Pine because it makes her thought process feel more coherent to me, but I don't agree with the idea of an implo/Pine team because surely if you throw out All Those Fucking Words trying to soft clear your buddy on NKA the whole ass point is to let yourself avoid talking about your buddy for a while, not immediately backtracking and second-guessing your own NKA. the risky part in that situation is doing the kill specifically so you yourself can bring up the specious NKA; once you've incurred the risk I would think you would want to do anything at all with the reward

[popsofctown]

My school didn't have hand dryers check your privilege

[Something_Smart]

oh yeah I really like LLD trying to dare implo on to Pine because it makes her thought process feel more coherent to me

Does that make her look townier to you?

[Something_Smart]

also like... I almost want S_S to be scum at this point for his own sake?? the dude has made 80 posts and voted a single time, on the Pine lurker wagon because we yelled at him to. If he's town that's like going to Disneyland and spending all week in the bathroom playing with the hand dryer, or something. like dude you have hand dryers in the bathroom at school, why did you want to go to Disneyland. what's this doin for you

In addition to being an awful analogy, this is also misleading (it implies that I joined a mafia game only to not play mafia, which isn't at all what I'm doing), it doesn't really seem relevant (it's a very belated playstyle criticism that you've already acknowledged can be misguided town), and it is extremely convenient to a scum agenda (it looks like the perfect excuse to transition me from the town spot where you had me to somewhere low enough to mislynch).

But that aside. For someone who's touted the value of using your vote frequently, you really haven't gained much from it. (Or at least, if you have, you haven't shared it and you should.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean yeah technically speaking my vote would be more dynamic voting someone who is here, but sometimes when people lurk for all their fuckin worth it's more important to just discretely document that you're not going to just randomly forget about them. I think Pine has a pretty good shot of flipping scum! But I also think that Haschel's back half of D1 seemed pretty insincere, his first real post of D2/vote will be very instructive, and the fact he's suddenly gone radio silent makes me feel even more uneasy (because trying to fake the "well, I had three scum suspects and the game started with two of them flipping town, so let me try to reset my thought process" dance is an annoying thing for scum to do, so a very plausible reason for lurking is that it's exhausting to run the counterfactual). So I would be pretty unhappy ending day without another post from Haschel, which means I would be silly to put Pine at L-1. But I'm also not going to

diffuse

Pine wagon, because I am pretty fond of it overall. Maybe Haschel does a good post and I feel better about being L-1 on Pine; maybe he does a bad post and I want it more then Pine, which will be the time to try to monger for support.

also like... I almost want S_S to be scum at this point for his own sake?? the dude has made 80 posts and voted a single time, on the Pine lurker wagon because we yelled at him to. If he's town that's like going to Disneyland and spending all week in the bathroom playing with the hand dryer, or something. like dude you have hand dryers in the bathroom at school, why did you want to go to Disneyland. what's this doin for you

YOU DENIED THE BLOOD PACT YOU DON'T DESERVE THE TOWN CRED FOR LYNCHING PINE.

FUCKING HASCHEL VOTE WHO THE FUCK VOTES HASCHEL HERE.

NOT CONTEMPLATING MY NAVEL ABOUT THAT ONE, THERE'S SOME OBVIOUS SUBTEXT MISSING, HMM WHAT COULD IT BEEEEEEEEEEE

YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER WAGON IF YOU LIKE PLAYING IN THE DIRT WITH COUNTERWAGONS TO SCUM WAGONS HITO.

YOU SAID IMPLOSION IS TOWN RIGHT, WANNA CHOO CHOO HIM INSTEAD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also like... I almost want S_S to be scum at this point for his own sake?? the dude has made 80 posts and voted a single time, on the Pine lurker wagon because we yelled at him to. If he's town that's like going to Disneyland and spending all week in the bathroom playing with the hand dryer, or something. like dude you have hand dryers in the bathroom at school, why did you want to go to Disneyland. what's this doin for you

In addition to being an awful analogy, this is also misleading (it implies that I joined a mafia game only to not play mafia, which isn't at all what I'm doing), it doesn't really seem relevant (it's a very belated playstyle criticism that you've already acknowledged can be misguided town), and it is extremely convenient to a scum agenda (it looks like the perfect excuse to transition me from the town spot where you had me to somewhere low enough to mislynch).

But that aside. For someone who's touted the value of using your vote frequently, you really haven't gained much from it. (Or at least, if you have, you haven't shared it and you should.)

HEY FRIEND.

WANNA JOIN A CULT?

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE?

WE WILL SMITE THEM AS KHORNE DEMANDS!

GET UP ON MY PINE WAGON AND WATCH THE BLOOD OF FILTHY SCUMFUCKS FLOW

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EXTRA BONUS, YOU WON'T BE A PANSY TOWNIE LIKE HITO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My school didn't have hand dryers check your privilege

UR PROBABLY TOWN WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU TWO FUCKS AREN'T ON ANY WAGON.

WAIT S_S ISN'T ON ANY WAGON AND HE'S COMPLAININ

[Something_Smart]

HEY FRIEND.

WANNA JOIN A CULT?

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD?

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE?

WE WILL SMITE THEM AS KHORNE DEMANDS!

GET UP ON MY PINE WAGON AND WATCH THE BLOOD OF FILTHY SCUMFUCKS FLOW

...Evidence for the rational thinkers?

So far your argument is based on a falsehood and the sketchiest NKA I've ever seen.