Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #2975 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:29 am

my problem is not that skitzer doesnt want to reread 120 page game..it that he said he was going to, then when we called him out on it, he back tracked and said he meant he was going to reread one person..there was no indication that was what he meant, and would like him to quit avoiding my question...this is not the only reason I think skitzer is scummy.

armlx · Post Post #2976 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:00 pm

armlx: What makes today bad for an WhoMe? lynch, but still makes him lynch worthy.

Lynching WhoMe isn't going to bring up lots of discussion points and its just sorta a "Yeah, lynching him and what not" sorta ordeal, and it's evident to me what we need about now is something else as the discussion in this game is sorta stagnating.

I don't care if we do it, but I feel there is definitely someone better to lynch.

JordanA24 · Post Post #2977 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:09 pm

Battle Mage replaces Xtoxm, cheers bro!

armlx · Post Post #2978 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:11 pm

JordanA24 wrote:
Battle Mage replaces Xtoxm, cheers bro!

Err, yeah, in the interest of the integrity of the game I would not advise this as he has knowledge of his previous role that isn't public.

Battle Mage · Post Post #2979 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:30 am

armlx wrote:
JordanA24 wrote:
Battle Mage replaces Xtoxm, cheers bro!
Err, yeah, in the interest of the integrity of the game I would not advise this as he has knowledge of his previous role that isn't public.

Fyi, We've discussed this at length, and it's ok. I will not be able to refer to any aspect of my previous role, and at the same time, you may be content in the knowledge that my previous role does not give me any discernible information advantage that will skew the game.

I told you i'd be back.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Vote: Armlx

BM

WhoMe? · Post Post #2980 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:38 am

oooooh Bippy the lying townie is back. Have you completed your detention?

Battle Mage · Post Post #2981 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:56 am

Bippy? Lying? Townie?

0.o lol

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #2982 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:06 am

well hell he is back. I agree with armlx as to being opposed to this, but if he can not refer to his role in anyway than I guess it should be ok...Whome, BM just finished saying that he was not allowed to refer to his role, so what is the point of goading him...

I also think here on out we should refer to this BM as BM2...and of course the former as BM.

all that being said, I would like discuss what happened yesterday and BM's claim after the game is over(so do stick around)..for I am confused, why did you partially lie? I am not asking now..but I am curious for later.

welcome back chaos.

your thoughts on the current state of the game?

Battle Mage · Post Post #2983 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:50 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:well hell he is back. I agree with armlx as to being opposed to this, but if he can not refer to his role in anyway than I guess it should be ok...Whome, BM just finished saying that he was not allowed to refer to his role, so what is the point of goading him...

I also think here on out we should refer to this BM as BM2...and of course the former as BM.

all that being said, I would like discuss what happened yesterday and BM's claim after the game is over(so do stick around)..for I am confused, why did you partially lie? I am not asking now..but I am curious for later.

welcome back chaos.

your thoughts on the current state of the game?

All will be revealed later. Suffice to say, i just HAD to return when i noticed that, YOU WEREN'T DEAD YET. 0.o

BM

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #2984 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:04 am

BM aside, I don't really agree with armlx's "we should lynch someone else for discussion." Let's lynch the scummiest player (whome). We're going to have to deal with him

sometime

, since he clearly isn't going anywhere.

Matt_S · Post Post #2985 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:31 am

BM, help me lynch Celebloki. People keep distracting me.

armlx · Post Post #2986 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:57 am

TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:BM aside, I don't really agree with armlx's "we should lynch someone else for discussion." Let's lynch the scummiest player (whome). We're going to have to deal with him
sometime
, since he clearly isn't going anywhere.

Rather use the vig then a lynch on him. Lynches are better for information purposes, and with WhoMe everyone appears to be just "Meh, he can die".

Also, BM, in that case I'm less iffy about it. I value the integrity of the game over the result by far though. You definitely were in the game where I got another townie mod killed for quoting part of their role PM despite myself thinking we were in LyLo.

skitzer · Post Post #2987 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:44 am

ckd, I don't usually know who I'm going to readthrough when I start. I look at people who catch my eye and I choose them. But I think I'm going to readthrough Imat/Konehead/whatever.

farside22 · Post Post #2988 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:53 am

armlx wrote:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:BM aside, I don't really agree with armlx's "we should lynch someone else for discussion." Let's lynch the scummiest player (whome). We're going to have to deal with him
sometime
, since he clearly isn't going anywhere.
Rather use the vig then a lynch on him. Lynches are better for information purposes, and with WhoMe everyone appears to be just "Meh, he can die".

Also, BM, in that case I'm less iffy about it. I value the integrity of the game over the result by far though. You definitely were in the game where I got another townie mod killed for quoting part of their role PM despite myself thinking we were in LyLo.

Really in my eyes there are about 4 people I can think of that I feel this way about.
WhoMe
Celebloki
Bogre / Imat
CKD - I moved CKD down to the bottom on this because something tells me I should. But he isn't in the clear yet.

Celebloki · Post Post #2989 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:24 am

This game is very stagnant. My views are pretty much the same as they were the last time I posted. Whome? seems like the best lynch for today but according to the votecount hes only at 3? Is that right?

Mod: Is the votecount current?

Skitzer is being very unhelpful. He states he knows what's going on in the game but then he posts nothing but false statements.

Matt_S tunneled visioned on Peers/Me, I don't have much to say about that. Keep on truckin I suppose.

Welcome back BM.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #2990 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:42 pm

armlx wrote: Rather use the vig then a lynch on him. Lynches are better for information purposes, and with WhoMe everyone appears to be just "Meh, he can die".

While I'm all for discussing the vigging, I don't think its good to absolutely fix on one target for vigging, particularly as an alternative to lynching that person. Let's say the mafia have a roleblocker, and they know farside will hit scum. They'll choose to block, right? Or maybe they'll do it, but whome is actually town. . . and now if he doesn't get killed, we can't be sure, and we have to lynch him anyway.

Vigging BM made sense (obviously mafia weren't worried about him), but I dislike vigging our best choice.

Battle Mage · Post Post #2991 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:57 am

armlx wrote:
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:BM aside, I don't really agree with armlx's "we should lynch someone else for discussion." Let's lynch the scummiest player (whome). We're going to have to deal with him
sometime
, since he clearly isn't going anywhere.
Rather use the vig then a lynch on him. Lynches are better for information purposes, and with WhoMe everyone appears to be just "Meh, he can die".

Also, BM, in that case I'm less iffy about it. I value the integrity of the game over the result by far though. You definitely were in the game where I got another townie mod killed for quoting part of their role PM despite myself thinking we were in LyLo.

Yeah, that was pretty dumb too. lol
So we are trusting Farside to kill CKD tonight? Have we got her approval on this? I think leaving things to chance is a bad plan, but i guess more discussion can't be bad.

@Celebloki- if anything can stop the game being stagnant, it will be my relentless content vaccinations!

BM

armlx · Post Post #2992 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:22 am

While I'm all for discussing the vigging, I don't think its good to absolutely fix on one target for vigging, particularly as an alternative to lynching that person. Let's say the mafia have a roleblocker, and they know farside will hit scum. They'll choose to block, right? Or maybe they'll do it, but whome is actually town. . . and now if he doesn't get killed, we can't be sure, and we have to lynch him anyway.

If they RB his vig and he's mafia, its a mislynch tomorrow instead of today, pretty irrel, plus we learn there is an RB.

Yeah, that was pretty dumb too. lol

On whose part, the person for thinking that quoting only a line was acceptable, or me for pointing it out?

Toaster Strudel · Post Post #2993 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:36 am

Isn't it better to trust farside to pick the right candidate?

If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Also, I note that farside has CKD at the bottom of her 4-player suspect list, but BM makes it sound like farside has agreed to vig CKD. Maybe I'm missing something, I often do, but that's what it sounds like to me.

armlx · Post Post #2994 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:41 am

If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Also optimal.

Matt_S · Post Post #2995 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:46 am

We've established that not announcing targets is good. That doesn't mean the mafia won't roleblock her still.

TheSweatpantsNinja · Post Post #2996 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:07 pm

ts wrote: If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Right, I'm all for talking about it, getting consensus, I just don't think farside should announce who she is and is not listening to, and because of that, I don't think we should vig whome instead of lynching him because I don't think we should decide on farside's vig.

And yes, matt, they could start roleblocking her. If she's targeting town, that would actually be a good thing. . . and since she's only targeted town so far, they haven't had any reason to start.

JordanA24 · Post Post #2997 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:18 pm

Updated Vote Count, prodding Andycyca and Tarhalindur

Korlash replaces mnowax, cheers Korlash!

Battle Mage · Post Post #2998 (ISO) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:25 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:Isn't it better to trust farside to pick the right candidate?

If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Also, I note that farside has CKD at the bottom of her 4-player suspect list, but BM makes it sound like farside has agreed to vig CKD. Maybe I'm missing something, I often do, but that's what it sounds like to me.

No, i believe i said that the problem was that Farside had NOT agreed to Vig CKD. If TS is right about the 4 player list, then we should probably lynch CKD at the end of the day, after we've had some more discussion of other suspects and potential vig targets.

BM

Battle Mage · Post Post #2999 (ISO) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:15 am

Matt_S wrote:
Surye wrote:You seemed to confuse yourself plenty with the dahill analysis
I blame BM.

Why?

farside22 wrote:No I was never approached by BM. I wish he had not lied about his role. He was the only person I was sure was town.

vote: CKD

for pushing the issue. Obviously was looking to kill a townie in my eyes

BS. If you are sure someone is town, you don't shoot them.

armlx wrote:No, I'm 90% sure BM was just lying. He would do that.

I agree with the CKD wagon, but I don't know if its the best option for today. I need to go back to my list.

I dont see what you are getting at here. Perhaps you ought to explain?
And while you're at it, you can also explain why you 'agree' with the CKD wagon, but dont want to see him dead?

armlx wrote:
Matt_S wrote:
armlx wrote:No, I'm 90% sure BM was just lying. He would do that.
I guess that just goes to show you that lynch all liars sucks. Or something like that. There's a moral here somewhere.
The moral is BM was dumb and got himself shot.

That's great. Even scum have the decency to refrain from baiting a dead guy. I guess we know what that makes you. I am enjoying the irony though.

curiouskarmadog wrote:mother fucker, I thought BM was fucking lying, but I thought he was lying about being the cult...I did agree to be lynched today if BM didnt turn cult, so be it..I took a gamble...

I am good to my word.

vote CKD.

Right, so you guys thought this was enough? CKD thought I (BM1 if we're gonna be pedantic) was Cult, and gambled his life on me being to blame for the cult kill, which presumably was not from his scumgroup, and...you didnt kill him?

farside22 wrote:Fine vigging CKD at night.

unvote:
vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

Why does that promise not fill me with confidence? lol

armlx wrote:Usually I promote Kscopes death around here, but we have relevant things to do with our lynch. Farside can vig him if she sees fit.

I thought you wanted her to Vig CKD?

FoS: Armlx

Also, is anyone else getting a little confused by Matt's persistent directing of the town, whilst lacking a full claim?

More to come later.

BM