Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Vorkuta]

how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you?

like......


Honestly though, this flips green

[Vorkuta]

The rocket scientist you're trying to pressure

[Vorkuta]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

Not Voting (2):

u r a person 2, teacher

It's nice when things just fit.

o_0
good catch

[Vorkuta]

Nom has an uncanny gift of being able to completely conf!scum themselves whenever I give that slot the slightest bit of leeway and plausibility

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: u r a person 2
L-2, I hope to get some kind of claim from you soon because there is a lot of pressure directed your way

VT

reads list soon

Is this a formal claim?

It's just is half-heartedly inserted there and not emphasized so I'd like confirmation

[Vorkuta]

He bleeds town to me

I've played a few games with nero to know that this is how he goes off on people, the types of appeals he makes, and the comradery between us only strengthens my case.

Like I don't want to think that he'd abuse the communist hydra gimmic you know?
I know scum has to play to their wincon, has to play to win THIS game, and not to make friends and be happy, but like...

[Vorkuta]

I mean, the smart play is to lynch through a vt claim, usually

so I think actually implying that I'm just not going to claim is a more reasonable way of avoiding a lynch than fake claiming as town

he could be
talking about
hypothetical VTs
that may or may not
exist in this game

Look- I like my claims to be nice, explicit, grandiose, bold, and with a bit more fanfair.
Like I know for all intents and purposes that he's locked into claiming VT and that any redaction/180 just won't flu

But no

[Vorkuta]

*INHALES*
hi fus

sheep me on urap2 and you can be townbinned, no questions asked

[Vorkuta]

I have to find a gif that describes the chaos and clusterfuck because i can't do it with words alone

[Vorkuta]

I have no recollection of who/what/when/where/why/how

*ahem*
Yeah the urap2 scum interactions kind of built up more and more in real time.
Personally I disliked his peacekeeping/fence-sitting/letsbefrens standpoint on everything and was looking else where

and fighting off filthy western propaganda

, but other people pressured him with points that I viewed to be valid and I didn't like his response to them in places.

He should've been hammered and I have no idea what's the hold out

[Vorkuta]

yeah pisskop.... that's not gonna work with this crowd

nom apparently shits gold or something

[Vorkuta]

Look
I'll vote nomx3 because it's fucking obv!scum

But then Buj and nero and skitter and like... all the other guys will tell me to stop voting town
then nom's ego will get bruised and will fly off its hinges

And then we'll just get back to where we are

[Vorkuta]

I've already lost my mind with a townie making a terrible fakeclaim on day 1 on a claim I knew was bogus, don't make that 2. Please.

sorry let me fix that for you
"I've already lost my mind with shotting a cop claim that flipped VT, don't make me waste another NK. Please"

[Vorkuta]

You've been doing nothing but whining about the cop claim this whole day phase, how about you do something productive for once?

Idk I have pretty rock solid town!core, and I've caught 1 obv!scum so far (nom x3).
I'm also pretty damn sure the wagon I'm on is going to hit gold.

Keep trying

[Vorkuta]

what the shit can I FINALLY get a nom wagon going?
VOTE: nom x3

[Vorkuta]

fuck I can't take credit for this wagon....
*grumbles*

I'll take what I can get I suppose

[Vorkuta]

Oh woooow

Now bunny's alignment is the most important thing on the menu.
NOW.

How very convenient.

pisskop, don't listen to these haters

[Vorkuta]

this is how you're act?

"when vork does it, it's hot air, BS, he's being annoying, *insert reason here*"
"when

literally anyone else does it

, it's solving, much wow, such LAMIST, gamesolvey"

ofc- I'm slightly butthurt

[Vorkuta]

Vorki, this is a pertinent question.

I think it's complete BS that I'm told to shut up and hold my concerns for most of the game
and finally, when I'm starting to compromise (mostly one-way so far) and see eye-to-eye with some people, this shit gets struck up AGAIN

[Vorkuta]

ugh its not struck up again.

HURT: pk

oh ok then

How is the slot you were doubting announcing they actually may not be miller not relevant to the gamestate?

*inhales*
do you really need to be spoonfed here?

I'm always willing to buy that town obfuscates/hides information as I think its the optimal thing to do.
I DID NOT like bunny's approach to everything related to that claim, but all of you are like "no vork stfu scum"
NOW THAT his slot is doing things that I like, approve of, and view as more optimal- you're all like "hurt tags" and shit

So like you were fine with half-assing this slot when I was in charge
but *hand-wavey* "things changed" and now you 180.

[Vorkuta]

@pisskop
oh man
#89
back in the day

@nom x3
-he's coming to the game with a fresh take on things regarding the urap2 wagon.
I disapprove of his attempt to derail it, but I approve of something FRESH brought in
-he's doing things with his role PM that I view to be pro-town and more optimal than bunny's.... buniness.
of course it COULD just be damage control, but I don't think so
-he scum reads you and it's about time someone took me seriously on it

[Vorkuta]

you tend to joke around more

false- I've just rolled scum a few times and this coincides with me getting more and more comfortable with site/meta/people/blah

ou also fall back onto making several one liners in posts

none of them are ever very useful

shit I've already used that one

But as town, every push I make is golden, and every post I make is useful and serious?
Also kindly keep reading

[Vorkuta]

-he scum reads you and it's about time someone took me seriously on it

That's an omgus vote considering he has not read the game at all. That's honestly a terrible reason to like his entrance.

@pisskop

is your vote on nom a non-serious and terrible OMGUS vote?

[Vorkuta]

But he should really have not mentioned the 'i have more' stychk

wow
even the guy whos slot he replaced into
agrees with me

[Vorkuta]

"I am scum and I am losing control of the game state"

"I need some time to get back into my scumPT and work out a new plan"

[Vorkuta]

completely new wagon

Yes... no one here has expressed any form of suspicion towards your slot before pisskop checked in

[Vorkuta]

is it really important to state again?

welcome to Mini 2080
Please enjoy your stay

only way a player like Cinn would come up with a miller fakeclaim is if it was given by a scumpartner.

#62 & #87

pedit
it gets better dont worry

[Vorkuta]

Right

I go on ~24 hour long

nuclear icebreaker trip

donkey cart ride

transsiberian railway stretch

aeroplane flight

so I'm out for a while
cheers

[Vorkuta]

Heyo- I'll get back to sorting and reading in a bit but like.....
why aren't we all still voting nom x3?

[Vorkuta]

I also keep forgetting vork is playing this game, he's been silent as hell

[Vorkuta]

ohh yea. Vork is absolutely scum

[Vorkuta]

{NC , Salad}
{DP, Dunn, Skitter}
{Nom x3}

Policy Lynch the miller/not-miller tier: {Pisskop}

NC and Salad I've talked about
Nom I've talked about

DP's wall in defiance of nom #3597 was a good post that I approve off.
Also as I've previously mentioned- I think he's softing a PR and I'm willing to give him a lot of slack.
The probability that skitter is deepwolf-ing scares me, especially because there's the communal "expectation" that she'll solve the game for us, and not as much scrutiny towards that slot as I'd like.
Dunn's been doing a lot of the heavy lifting closer to EoD2 and I like

Pisskop is there because now's the last day to figure things out I think

D3 = 6:2 (now)
N3 = 5:2 (assuming we don't hit scum)
D4 = 4:2 (assuming NK goes through & no 2nd vigshot or whichever killed the teacher/buj}
And we're at Mylo with a miller/wtvheclaims

I'm 100% fine with townbinning him and putting him in my top tier (but he scum reads me ), but you guys said you'd PL him to get me to back off bunny in D1, so idc how much has changed with regards to his slot.

To that end, I think we should MC?

[Vorkuta]

Let's see what happens when I VOTE: nom x3 again
Although I'm tempted to vote skitter for the wagonomics, I think I'd like her in Lylo with us

[Vorkuta]

{NC , Salad}
{DP, Dunn, Skitter}
{Nom x3}

Upgrading DP to higher up in town as I doubt this was staged and faked + the hypoclaims at the end are cool I guess?

I think we mass claim today?

[Vorkuta]

u r a person 2 (5):

teacher, Nero Cain, Saladman27,
NerfedBuj, Vorkuta

L-2

Vorkuta(2):

Dunnstral, nomnomnom

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

Cinnamon (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

nomnomnom (1):

u r a person 2

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

a bunch of bullshit that doesn't even come close to acknowledging my problem.

k

Honestly this pretty much does it for me
Everyone who's dismissed my arguments without reading them has been scum so far, and I've never shook that impression off since early D1
The shoshin play and willingness to tunnel obv!town is horrible as well
What else...

[Vorkuta]

This is hilarious because the last thing I remember pisskop doing on D2 was derailing the urap2 wagon by setting up nom.
I don't know what to believe here

[Vorkuta]

Mass claim > potential miller policy

I think that it's the only play that doesn't result in this back and forth reasoning/rock and hard place brickwall that we keep on running into.

[Vorkuta]

Id policy lynch nom just to set a precedent against such play

No

+1

And I'm disagreeing with a vote for nom x3 so you know that this reasoning is horrible

[Vorkuta]

Remember the last time you suggested mass claiming for no fucking reason?

Which one was this in?

Ramblings? Not my finest moment
Jazz?
BTXI? Very very very well warranted and should've happened sooner

[Vorkuta]

The vig is clearing tho

Mm... I want to take a slight gamble and say that the vig is now useless (shots wise) (ie- 1-shot or even-night or smth)

But a holstered shot or Novice/N2+ would be ugly.

Then why are you voting me????

Because your interactions and the way you've played this game so far seems to come from a scum!nomx3 as opposed to a town!nom and I personally think that my scum!nom case is stronger and "more Okham's razor-y" than my other scum cases.

HOWEVER
Pisskop commented on policying you, and I had to voice my objection to that BS.
Huh
pisskop + nom scum theater right there?

[Vorkuta]

but vig's have to be town

you don't say

But yes- we might get ~2 conf!towns with a massclaim today, and maybe shed some light on a miller claim.
Considering what the gamestate is currently devolving into, I think it's more optimal to MC now as opposed to tomorrow

[Vorkuta]

Here's where I'm at right now

6-2 (today)
1 vig + 1 miller + 1 cop, +said cop's clear (inb4 cleared a dead person or smth) = like 4 conf!towns (I will tentatively buy pisskop's miller claim if there's an acceptable invest. role that it brings negative utility to)
Sorting in 4 people (4 unconf!town and 2 scum) is better than the current clusterfuck that we have today, ESPECIALLY if the right people claim the PRs.

Otherwise I think we're effectively stonewalled because there would have to be a ridiculous 180 for people's lynchpools to overlap

[Vorkuta]

(I will tentatively buy pisskop's miller claim if there's an acceptable invest. role that it brings negative utility to)

[Vorkuta]

If we're MC'ing and there's
-no cop: bye bye pisskop
-a cop: hello pisskop, + the inno's that the cop provided

[Vorkuta]

I'm wasting space and generating content
I know we won't

[Vorkuta]

Do nero's reada suck this bad usually if he's town?

Yes

Since Teacher died DP is next followed by Pisskop and Vorkuta - follow the order

*inhales*

[Vorkuta]

If this game was decided based on what you think, town would have lost by now

Right
ok

[Vorkuta]

Do nero's reada suck this bad usually if he's town?

Yes

Since Teacher died DP is next followed by Pisskop and Vorkuta - follow the order

*inhales*

I think DP is a town PR
I think pisskop can plausibly be a miller if there's a cop to justify his existance
and I'm me.

But my thoughts are bad and should be ignored

[Vorkuta]

A massclaim would of course solve the above problems, would confirm/deny our suspicions, and actually breathe some much needed change into our game state.

But

[Vorkuta]

I'm trying to do a tally of everyone's reads to see what (if anything) can go through today just to prove a massclaim is necessary, and that's what I had for you so far mb

[Vorkuta]

Alright: Effort time- This is my interpretation of where you guys stand so far (and with the quotes that give me that impression)

GREEN

= Will not lynch so stop

RED

= DIE DIE DIE DIE (but communist = red = good... I'm confused now)

BLUE

= probably fine with voting for but not "DIE DIE DIE" level - maybe compromise tier?
Please let me know if I oopsied anywhere as I'm obviously intentionally misrepresenting all of you on purpose and being quite liberal

nomnomnom: nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
pisskop:nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta
nomnomnom, pisskop, skitter30, Saladman27, Dunnstral, Nero Cain, Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta

Spoiler:

nomnomnom

:

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

(#3736- NC and salad, #3710- triplet)

pisskop

: nomnomnom,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

(#3734 NC, #3687 for many people)

skitter30

: nomnomnom,

pisskop

,

Saladman27

, Dunnstral,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

, Vorkuta
(#3785 NC & salad, #3776 DP, #3759 pisskop, )

Saladman27

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

(#3556, )

Dunnstral

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

, skitter30,

Saladman27

, Nero Cain,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

(#3774) nomx3 #3781 DP, #3434, pisskop & vork, #3558)

Nero Cain

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

, Saladman27,

Dunnstral

,

Detective Pikachu,

Vorkuta

(#3713- skitter/dp/piss, #3568 vork, #3647nom, #3725dunn)

Detective Pikachu

:

nomnomnom

, pisskop,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Vorkuta

(#3571 1 out of Nom & Vork, #3479 skitter, #3477 salad, #3397 nc, piss, skitter, dunn

Vorkuta

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

(pisskop conditional on no cop & zzzzz where was my readlist)

[Vorkuta]

Ah shit formatting issue

[Vorkuta]

EBWOdoing this again
sorry for the oopsie
GREEN = Will not lynch so stop
RED = DIE DIE DIE DIE (but communist = red = good... I'm confused now)
BLUE = probably fine with voting for but not "DIE DIE DIE" level - maybe compromise tier?
Please let me know if I oopsied anywhere else as I'm obviously intentionally misrepresenting all of you on purpose and being quite liberal

nomnomnom

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

pisskop

: nomnomnom,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

skitter30

: nomnomnom,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

, Dunnstral,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

, Vorkuta

Saladman27

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

Dunnstral

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

, skitter30,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

, Nero Cain,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

Nero Cain

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

, Saladman27,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu

:

nomnomnom

, pisskop,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

Vorkuta

:

nomnomnom

,

pisskop

,

skitter30

,

Saladman27

,

Dunnstral

,

Nero Cain

,

Detective Pikachu

,

Vorkuta

[Vorkuta]

TL;DR We aren't as stone-walled as I thought we were as only the very very loud voices are the ones.... making the game-state look like what it's currently looking like.

Either way
nom's not going through
nero's not going through
Pika isn't going through
salad isn't going through

Dunn & Vork have 2 greens so probably won't go through

The rest is our lynchpool and I really don't like it

[Vorkuta]

wtf work you stupid table edition
nomnomnom :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
pisskop :	nomnomnom,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
skitter30 :	nomnomnom,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
Saladman27 :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
Dunnstral :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop ,	skitter30,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
Nero Cain :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
Detective Pikachu :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta
Vorkuta :	nomnomnom ,	pisskop ,	skitter30 ,	Saladman27 ,	Dunnstral ,	Nero Cain ,	Detective Pikachu ,	Vorkuta

[Vorkuta]

@mod

[Vorkuta]

Also for what its worth

While ISO'ing all y'all to get your TL;DR reads, skitter and dunn's were the "hardest" ISO's to get tangible "red or green" out of.
Just my two cents

[Vorkuta]

@pisskop

Let me teach you how to read the table.
Go to the 6th column after the bolded one to find what people think about nero.

You see how he has only 2 reds (you and skitter) and 3 greens?
Including himself, that's 4 people who won't vote for him, and 2 (dunn and salad = white & blue) that you'd need to coerce into voting for nero.

I don't see you doing that.

[Vorkuta]

"we"
-we don't know if its gated or not
-we don't know if the vig is a player who's DETERMINED to follow up on their personal read or not
-asking a TPR to holster their shot is just....

[Vorkuta]

NO LYNCHING + VIG SHOT
D3 end = 6:2
D4 begin = 4:2 MYLO

NO LYNCHING + NO VIG SHOT
D3 end = 6:2
D4 begin = 5:2 huh nero's on to something

YES LYNCHING + NO VIG SHOT
D3 end = 5:2
D4 begin = 4:2 MYLO

YES LYNCHING + YES VIG SHOT
D3 end = 5:2
D4 begin = 3:2 LYLO

Assuming worst case scenario, no gating, no nothing, blah blah blah

TL;DR
We should massclaim

[Vorkuta]

You can safely ignore any talk about massclaiming as well.

-we're a day before Mylo
-with too many random/unaccounted for elements
-and your """miller-not-miller"""

-with the viable lynchpool consisting of only like 3 players
-and with everyone here at each others' throats

how the fuck do the pros of a mass-claim not register?

[Vorkuta]

@NC

what if the vig is someBS like compulsive N2+ and can't holster their shot for tonight?
Or is like N2 & N3 and can ONLY shoot tonight and that's it?

Are you still willing to take that chance?

[Vorkuta]

because what's the point of not lynching here exactly ...

avoiding lylo or mylo tomorrow

[Vorkuta]

NLing and giving town an extra night of info is a solid as fuck plan.

+
NL = scum killpool = 6 players
Lynch = scum killpool = 5 players
+
Lynch = probably someone will claim at L-2/L-1 giving an outed PR ON TOP of a lynch so scum's relevant killpool = 4 players

Honestly the more I think about it the more solid the plan is.
The only disagreements are literally "BUT MUH META"
VOTE: No lynch

[Vorkuta]

extra [town guided] flip is way more useful than being a scared player and trying to extend your playtime.

-We get 2 lynches to work with D4 and D5
-We get a mass claim tomorrow to work with as well
as opposed to 1 hail mary lynch today and half the cast being walled off

What will change tomorrow?

[Vorkuta]

I swear you guys are reading "no lynch" and are just saying "NO" for the sake of saying no
As opposed to carefully weighing the pros and cons and responding accordingly

I think a lynch today and now would benefit scum more than town (for reasons outlined above)
I think a no-lynch would benefit town more than scum

[Vorkuta]

@literally anybody

has a no-lynched been proposed ever/in recent history
and how did that play out
and was it DURING MYLO, or BEFORE mylo
or anything?

[Vorkuta]

Also
-who objected to it the most? scum or town?

[Vorkuta]

based on a vig

PROVIDED THEY AREN'T COMPULSIVE
We politely ask them in good faith to holster their shot today and threaten to bully them in post-game or whatever if they don't comply.
They've already shot {buj/teacher} so they should be feeling bad/guilty by now (take it from a former vig )

IF WE'RE LUCKY, then our vig can shoot N4/N5.
If we're not then this is """mountainous"""

But either way- WORST CASE SCENARIO, tomorrow is lylo (town lynch and town vig shot) and given how half of the lynchpool is stonewalled off, I'm not willing to take those odds.

As much as I would really love tomorrow being 5:1... the expected outcome does not play in our favor.

[Vorkuta]

Im opting out of current discussions.

rock meet hard place
hard place, meet game state

[Vorkuta]

I dont quite see the support for that silly move today

I would like to redirect you to the nicely formatted chart in #3793 where you have 4 people thinking you are red, and skitter being the only one who openly supports you

[Vorkuta]

silly and half-contrived list

but I even have the post numbers where people called you red

also hurt by cash would be more relevant here imho

[Vorkuta]

Vig shooting tonight brings us to odds

Yes but 4:1 odds or 3:2 odds?

we can nl next day - it doesn't make sense for today

Because with a NL today, tonight scum has a 1/6 of hitting a useful PR (barring/ignoring softs/crumbs/claims/etc).

[Vorkuta]

nling AFTER a MC seems stupid b/c barring a fakeclaim scum knows exactly who to shoot

no, we MC in post-game when the mod flips all the roles duh

[Vorkuta]

vote: orfhz

I'm sold- there's no towny explanation for such behaviour.

Now please tell me you didn't waste one of your ISOs per day on this

[Vorkuta]

Can we not do salad please?
He's bleeding bad/wrong/obv!town in his posts and his level of... uh.... play.
Also:

Nah he's scum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79212

-This is similar to ramblings how?
-You assume I didn't learn from ramblings?

[Vorkuta]

@pisskop
ISO #2?

[Vorkuta]

White Flag

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lag_Gambit
?

I don't bus and you should know my philosophy on this by now.

[Vorkuta]

As always- travelling and whatnot so I'll catch up with specifics later.

Where I'm at and a thought or two
-Right now I think salad's self-vote and complete LACK of followup on it doesn't seem like a hail-mary gambit which comes from newb!scum, but I really dislike it so if that could stop, that would be nice.
-Hi Creature, please obv!town yourself ASAP and make everyone's life easier.
-skitter v NC is painful to read and while I'm more inclined to support NC, I think scum!skitter would be... "better"? This reads like losttown!skitter and not schemingscum!skitter.
-let's MC yeah?

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VOTE: Nero Cain

After reading this exchange several times over, this is what I'm going to go with for now

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Nero Cain

After reading this exchange several times over, this is what I'm going to go with for now

I want an explanation for that one.

I townbinned NC extremely early on due to our comrade interactions, and its been re-enforced with the fact that I used to agree with him on quite a few things, and his willingness to try a NL.
On the other hand the guy made it through a D1 counter-wagon and his approach to skitter has me riled up.

I think skitter is obv!town this game based on her flipflops, solving attempts, and just tidbits here and there that seem extremely genuine.
Or- I think scum!skitter would've been much better/scarier.
I really don't like how nero is approaching her slot so I voted.

I'm tentatively down to do salad as my D1 read on him is also probably slightly stale and a self-voter in M/Lylo is just
There's a certain amount of time for which he can earn """"town points"""" for self-voting, then it turns into scum!WIFOM points and then PL points.
Considering salad's uh.... activity after the selfvote I'm just extremely uncomfortable.


Well there goes my top town tier

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.......
@salad- Remember back when you had townie points for being "bad but honest"?
Can you please like....not pull this shit?

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VT

Is this still true?

Also what's with the repeat of dejavu?

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Guhhh
This a bored and apathetic/helpless townie

not scum playing chicken.

Can we not mislynch on The-Day-Before-M/Lylo?
Especially when we have a miller claim that warrants a policy?

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So instead of lynching a guy that does not contribute to the gamestate whatsoever and could very well be going deep in that persona as scum, you want to policy-lynch a miller? lol

As much as I don't want to incentivize or encourage this type of play, think it's horrible and anti-town, blah blah blah *insert condemnations here*
This is idiot!town, OR possibly scum with literally no desire to achieve their win!con.
He's gone way too far to be a deep scum gambit and considering there was talk about bunny/pisskop being coached by his teammates, what teammate encourages this type of play?
Can we not lynch someone who has a really high chance of flipping green on the night before Lylo?

As for bunny/pisskop: they're 'miller/not-millers' and "no way they make it in Lylo" has been the only reason for me to back off them on D1 so....
The salad lynch is a policy lynch. If we have collectively decided to do a policy lynch tonight, then why not on a miller instead?

Also I'm doing something with my NC vote.

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in an ideal world salad would be lynched today and pk vigged over night (or vice versa) and that would take care of the lylo liabilities

Right
and

worst case scenario

this puts us in 3-2 Lylo: the very thing we were trying to avoid with our no-lynch or 'vig holster shot please' or 'vig is gated please no' discussions.

Like @the guys currently voting salad.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're voting him for POLICY reasons, not because you guys honestly think he'll flip red. (75% / 25%)
You guys wouldn't even remember he existed if he hadn't prod-dodged.

Guh


Having said all this, a tiny part of me just wants to get this day over with and hammer
I will fight that tiny part of me, but the fact that most of you have given up isn't helping.

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Too easy/simple to be the case

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Oh, gonna include nomnomnom for town and blame Shoshin if she's scum.

That far back huh

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No but uh...
This is D3, and that was D1

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back off them on D1 so....

Daily reminder that this is scum

daily reminder that that is scum ^^^

That's twice in one day so bidaily
FTFY

also alpha centauri > all the civ games

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Ayt I'll bite
What's even your scum case on me? You've only linked ramblings and that's it.

Also where are our promised daily ISO's?

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i lied. i think you're willfully ignoring the current gamestate

Im literally the one trying to push the gamestate AWAY from 'which compromise policy lynch do we want more'

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Without intent or a claim request ffs

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Oh that was hammer

This is wrong

I was expressing my disapproval of the hammer but she's at L-1 now

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Hmmmm....

@Nero- simple yes or no: have you crumbed your role and can you prove it later on?

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Claim goes like this

Spoiler:

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Huh
I legit thought (am thinking) that Pika/Creature was town!PR as well

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Nom x3- JOAT 1s Tracker, 1s Gunsmith
NC- Invest
Pisskop- "Miller not miller"
Creature- "???"
Skitter- VT
Vork- Ice Ice baby

teacher- Town Doctor
Dunnstral- Town JOAT (1s Neapolitan, 1s Vigilante)

Saladman27- Vanilla Townie
NerfedBuj- Vanilla Townie
Shoshin- Vanilla Townie
Flubbernugget- Vanilla Townie

u r a person 2- Mafia Goon

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Ok
We have a full doctor and people who've claim investigating abilities.

I think we might have some sort of variety of follow the cop, and I'm assuming the setup has appropriate scum countermeasures in place.

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-We do not have such music in motherland
-Very good description of this game state
-But I'm not claiming lovers or like... *looks at lyrics*... visitor..

also yes- I've heard many Queen purists/snobs rant on about this topic

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a false positive

+miller not miller negative town utility

Anyway- obligatory did you get a *NO RESULT* or *DID NOT DO SHIT* PM for your shots?

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Also anyone want to ISO dunn in the off chance the the neapolitan result was crumbed?
I suck at finding crumbs so...

[Vorkuta]

you don't have youtube?!?

Why would we need to search outside of glorious army choirs and propaganda music?

me? I get neither or those.

I detailed what I received in my claim. There is no ambiguity.

Understood

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I don't know if this is relevant but URAP2 fakeclaimed VT if you guys want to theorize on who might've coached/supported him

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VOTE: Saladman27

Skitter is a bad lynch

Idk i asked dunn last night but he didnt answer me yet

@dp would u vote nero?

About nero? I'm not really feeling him being scum

I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

Idk Nepolitan clear on skitter D1/2?

His ISO is very.... plain so this is the best I could find.
This is just speculation now

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I'd rather pisskop full no-BS claim before you but sure wtv

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Does scum!NC manage to pocket like... 3 players that end up in Lylo all the way back in D1?
Cuz that's an impressive feat

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Ha ha HAAAAAA No.
Wow being on the receiving side of a fake guilty feelsbadman.jpg
VOTE: NC

Everything about this is wrong

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NC and PK.
I don't see a universe where miller as a role is ""relevant"" with a rolecop and not a cop present.
This has been coordinated and PK's push on me with his "bidaily reminders that vork is scum" is PERFECT to set me up as Lylo lynchbait.

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Also, the distinction between claiming vanilla and not vanilla town seems like scum that knows he's not town.

I'm sorry I couldn't find a song that had VANILLA TOWN in it, and not just Vanilla.
That's on me. My bad.

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why you think Vork would be the one to make a kill.

Because my """"partner"""" would be out roleblocking/strong-manning/or otherwise PR-ing.

The fact that you didn't think this through is very vexing...

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Also I am 99% sure that town!PR nero outs such a hard guilty in his VERY FIRST POST and VOTE OF THE DAY, and not.... 'slow-draw mass claim' which we're obviously going to be doing anyway.

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town.... encrypt-or.... encrypting what exactly?

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BooneyToonz XI

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=79552
one more time please

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So on top of the "follow-the-cop" that's in this setup, NC is suggesting that scum also has GATED daychat?

I have no reason to be doing this because NC is caught scum trying to fake!guilty me in MyLo, but I'm trying to understand how and who came up with "encryptor"

Like...
-Teacher's Follow the Cop potential
-Dunn's false positive on GS-shot
-Miller

vs scum
-Encryptor
-Goon
-PR

Guh

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Is there anything towny Vork has did this game other than not doing anything all game?

Rich coming from you lol

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only one is a hardguilty.

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I'm going to reread EoD1 to see how NC avoided being the counterwagon lynch back then.

Also paging someone to try and ISO dunn to find neapolitan crumbs

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Also lol @ anyone that thinks I killed BUJ on n2.

This totally does not apply to me as well

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Maaaaan

Travelling screwed me over in this game

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Seeing that I have a GS shot

JOAT, with a tracker and gs shot.

Used my GS shot

on Buj day 1, got a negative result.

Used my tracker shot last night on Vork, he did not visit anyone.

Explain

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Oh this was all hypothetical and works under the assumption that scum found your role out

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vork was one of your main pushes so if you were dead he wouldn't have a you to push.

can I get this argument in english?
It makes sense if I verbatim translate it to slav, but I still would prefer this in english

but who cares about the why. Its a hard guilty.

"its a fake guilty, so who cares about the why, just vote him to end the game please and thank you"

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Guhhh

I mean PK is going to hop along with NC. Whether that's because he's NC's scumbuddy or not might be difficult for me to say (it makes perfect sense that the 2 orchestrated this gamestate which culminated in the finale of the fake guilty), but either way, I don't see a universe in which anything changes and pisskop 180's from his daily reminders.

Vork: NC & Pisskop
NC: Vork

Not Voting: Creature, Skitter, Nom x3

Nom and skitter look like they're leaning NC, Creature is disengaged/fence-sitting/lurk!scum
welp

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I can't explain it.
Maybe it just feels weird to have everyone believe me, I guess.

Last time I saw this 'awareness' was ETICN RCE got a reaction test guilty on me but bluffed with his shot (actually targetted my scumpartner).

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I like how Vork just called everyone scum that's not voting me.

MAYBE skitter is confident enough to make it through MyLo with bussing her teammate (*looks at banner*), but she was put @L-1 yesterday so no.

NC = conf!scum with a fake guilty

Creature- disengaged and blah blah or lurk!creature
Bunny/Pisskop- honest town!miller OR in cahoots with NC and played this perfectly.
Recall that NC also pushed Bunny (scum!theater + distancing) with me on D1

oh and that leaves the other players
.
.
.
who aren't scum

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Skitter is literally conftown...

so

dude, it's not like I'm saying that I think Vork is scum and we should lynch him this is MOD CONFIRMED SCUM!

is it modconfirmed town like the way nero put it?

Actually I'll bite seeing as I'm pretty sure that NC is sitting at the edge of his seat in anticipation anyway.
@Nero- where are your D2 skitter result crumbs that were allegedly BEFORE the claim?

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Why should town Nero that has a guilty on Vork that's most lily going t die tonight care about anything else?

"Why should

scum

Nero that has a

fake

guilty on Vork that's most lily going t

end the game

care about anything else"

FTFY

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Just to confirm

Today is 4:2 MyLo, and greenflip it becomes 3:2
Barring a vig/protective/blocker to turn it into 3:2 or 2:1, it's game over?

Yet if we hit scum, 4:1, which tomorrow still puts it into 3:1 MyLo?
guhhhhhhhhh

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I'm being asked to do busywork. YAY! lemme go find it b4 Skitter claims that I'm avoiding.

Don't act too upset about it

I'm always gleeing with joy when it's my turn to pull out my amazing fruit vendor crumbs

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Dude, Vork is scum. I don't give Skitter 2 shits right now.

Nero, you might not have one, but the town win!con is to hit scum tomorrow AS WELL
Could you at least TRY and put up a show in trying to contribute to finding my """"scum partner""""?

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ctrl + f skitter

I got you comrade

[Vorkuta]

Speaking of your ISO

Do you know what those crumbs sound like?

Spoiler:

So I was walking around the town eating some vanilla ice cream (or was it neapolitan?) when I saw my neighbor (he's a pretty friendly neighbor) hiding behind a jail. Two people walked outside of the jail (a cop and a detective) with some poor innocent child that had lost her babysitter. I followed them to the doctor's office (it's a good thing there's one nearby, I have a nasty commute to visit my psychologist!) when out of nowhere I saw an alien! I watched it intently as it walked in front of me and blocked my path. My eyes were tracking the nearest exit so I wouldn't be backed up into a corner. I wish I had had a bodyguard to protect me. While I was distracted, I detected motion in the corner of my eye. It was my local mailman paying me a visit! He was eating a fruit with a vengeful look in his eye as began to talk about vigilante justice. The alien must've felt awkward because it started to mill about. I wanted to run out into the street to get away but my analysis suggested there was too much traffic. Woah! That's no alien, it's just my friend Peter Thompson! He goes by PT for short and he's also a cop. He told me all about how drug lords were using encrypted messages to contact gunsmiths to obtain illegal weaponry. PT has many special talents; you could call him a jack of all trades. He's kind of a creepy voyeur so I told him to stop his role... or did I tell him to cop his role? No, the expression is slow your roll, that's right! Did I mention he's into stone masonry? And he's recruited a ton of new neighbors into our little town! And he loves vanilla ice cream; our nickname for him is the "Vanilla Cop." I went off on a little bit of a tangent there but whatever. I hope you enjoyed my story!

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#realtalk

Who is scum!nero setting up for?
He's a good player, so I'm 90% sure he's preparing for the contingency in which he gets lynched today and his partner has to carry tomorrow.

[Vorkuta]

Do you know what those crumbs sound like?

Hmm

In the interest of fairness and all that
@Nom x3

Where are you GS result crumbs?

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Why should town Nero that has a guilty on Vork that's most lily going t die tonight care about anything else?

"Why should

scum

Nero that has a

fake

guilty on Vork that's most lily going t

end the game

care about anything else"

FTFY

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if you think they are going to kill me then why do I care about tomorrows lynch if I'm not there?

Man your scum!range is impressive

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#realtalk

1 of Piss

I think this is NC reacting to this in some way.

@NC- kindly explain the mental gymnastics necessary for the bunny miller claim that we """"coordinated"""" and the consequent daily reminders from pisskop in a way that makes sense for that slot to be my """"scum-partner""""

Shit maybe pisskop is actually miller, but it doesn't make sense without a cop claim IMHO....

NC & Creature > NC & pk for now

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me with thoughtful and accurate discussion

Ok this looks like a good read

Game # and corresponding day # please?

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Damit NC managed to convince me that a NL yesterday was the play

and screw all of you who were against my MC suggestion yesterday as well

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Holy shit why do I have to go toe-to-toe with conf!scumNC on this?

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I get distracted for one second and it looks like he's gaining ground with his "VORK FLIPS RED HURR DURR" tunneling

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I'm legitimately scared that whoever gets the last word in is the one that will win and that's not a good position for us to be in right now

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@NC
Why did creature disappear from your list of scum!suspects seemingly overnight with very little reason?
Friendly reminder that Det Pika was a thing as well.

@Creature
This fence sitting doesn't help if you are town.
Pick one side and let us know where you stand- you have pages of content to go over and make up your mind.
Unless you don't want to and you're NC's scumbuddy

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YOU ARE EITHER REALLY BAD

Did someone keep a running tally of how many people would have to be REALLY BAD for NC to be town?

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So tell the class why no one should suspect you as a Vork scumbuddy tomorrow?

Seeing as nero has been doing this all day so far, I think it's fair I stoop down to his level and remind you that there is no tomorrow if you take him seriously

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I think NC is fear-mongering and is hoping that someone else caves and also votes for me.
I don't think he'll slip up in his logic tbh

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Oh look someone told him not to spend all day blindly tunneling his 'guilty'

Guys it's really Nero
please

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I honestly think I can see how the cogs/mechanism of him and his partner (encryptor partner? hmm...maybe that's why he claimed that result) discussing and evolving his push/case on me and how extremely reactive he's being under nom's pressure.

It's like
-blind tunneling the guilty? didn't work
-fearmongering? needs a bit more pizzaz
-shifting the BoP to solve onto others? now that's more like it

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scum!NC works really well with the scum!bunny miller claim push (which I fell for as well, feelsbadman.jpg- maybe that's what they used to decided that I was going to be their designated Lylobait guilty) AND the scum!pisskop daily reminders

but scum!creature w/ scum!NC works pretty damn decently with each one doing their own thing, and scum!pika also... doing... things?

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so nom, Vork flips VT and it's post-game. You are asked why the game is over and your reply is?

[Vorkuta]

How did this game evolve so fast into this?

Is this bored town!creature or scum!"not-lurking, but look at me contributing" creature?

huh.... why does scum!creature make his presence known?

[Vorkuta]

You are very bad at this.

Did someone keep a running tally of how many people would have to be REALLY BAD for NC to be town?

As for the "scum!NC could claim VT" point, I think it might be a smiliar issue I have with bunny's "modified miller" claim.
Might be a misplay, or the result of an overly-long/elaborate discussion with his scumpartner and the conclusion of which is that it was a better play to fake a guilty as opposed to chancing it.

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@NC
That's a question with literally one answer, and everyone in their right mind is acknowledging it.
What purpose does such a question serve- honestly?
You're just buying time for pisskop to get here and most-likely vote for me at which point scum!creature can lol!hammer
Or the other way around, but I think it's ^

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Ffs NC, I can escalate to using larger font sizes as well, so let's not.

You misplayed.
Your guilty on me is fake, but you inadvertantly conf!town skitter as well, probably because you didn't have to think about the consequences of your play after today.
Your blind crusade after my head and refusal to think about town for tomorrow is also damning.

I think you slipped up your scum partner as well.

You're not trying to drown out any CONSTRUCTIVE and GAME SOLVING discussion for the next day by pulling "FMPOV" talk and "lalala vork is scum I can't hear you" in the hopes of getting someone to vote me as well so you can lol!hammer.

At least keep it civil ffs

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How's skitter mechanically confirmed?

NC claimed a "vanilla" rolecop result making her either vanilla town or vanilla goon.
NC claimed an encryptor result on me.

This makes urap2 (Goon), yours truly (Encryptor) and skitter (Goon) extremely unlikely considering the follow the cop potential of this game and the negative utility that encryptor brings to the scum team.

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LALALA NERO IS SCUM WITH A FAKE GUILTY LALALALA VOTE NERO LALALA

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Btw @NC- the difference between your ISO in the game that nom x3 posted and in this one is night and day.

What gives?
You've been asked like 3 times and you haven't answered

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@skitter- he's already delivered the verdict that you're very bad town

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Man your scum!range is impressive

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Vork is scum. FACT. That's the ONLY important thing today.

Too lazy to write up an appropriate response to this so *insert something about nero being scum here*

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I legit can't compete toe-to-toe with NC's legendary stubbornness, plus I have to go soon

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Buj's ISO doesn't damn anyone remaining here alive (bunny/pika/nom) and towns skitter/vork/nero... was hoping to find more reasons for his untimely demise

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Huhhhhhh why can't skitter explicitly be NC's scum!buddy.......
Her push is a "half-hearted" and not a "dead-set" push like nom's is and I'm legit scared of her deepwolf potential.

and NC vanilla-ing her could be a farce...

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The last time I was town in a Lylo situation I fucked up because we went with the simplest/obvious/dumbest and most straightforward option

Creature > PK > skitter > nom is the order which makes the most sense but rereading some interactions just throws some things out the window

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And yes I'm aware skitter has a little banner under her name that says "GOOD SCUM PLAYER".

That and the WIFOM paranoia is the only evidence I have

Whatever, I'll buy it.

Creature > Pisskop for me

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but then realized you actually didnt

Ofc I read it. I was in that exchange here and there and liked his NL suggestion.
But the possibility that this could be scum theater is still gnawing at me.

Like if you take a look at the calibre of players that you have to impress to have your way and a contigency for if things go wrong....

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It's not a push, it's a reminder for people to remember the potential bigger picture in play

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Also I'm rereading stuff like EoD1 and EoD3 so that's probably when my suspicions pinged me.
I'm back in the "sane" territory, please forgive the momentary lapse in faith

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Obligatory response to nero
"you lynch Vork and game ends" and "NC's partner is just looking for an opportunity, don't give them one"

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Daily reminder that NC faked his guilty on me and is throwing any and all caution to the wind in pulling this shit to try and end the game ASAP.
Jeez the way he can steamroll on his phone is frightening

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So I skimmed this, but is pk a miller, 2-shot doctor, both, or neither?

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Great- I was lost as well.

Pk's push on me back in.... whenever he rep'd in was unjustified and the only time he responded to 'why' he linked my first scum-game "musicals" and.... daily reminders

This is perfectly coordinated with the fake guilty.
I know I flip-flop on Creature v. Pisskop, but.... guh

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its skitter/vork unless you have some kind of inno on skit

Not this shit again
Read NC's claim and stop ignoring setup spec

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So the GS shot would miss on pk's scum doctor... ON TOP of him being a miller.... and would be positive on dunn's vig

[Vorkuta]

I investigated Skitter n2 who is also vanilla. Since Vork (any maybe others) are likely to call bullshit b/c I'm claiming already outted results I had claimed my Skitter=vanilla result b/f she claimed just in case I died or that I was lynched.

so?

Assuming NC = town (obligatory- he's not)

Assuming team is urap2, vork, skitter
=goon goon encryptor as skitter is vanilla

Against all this town power.

No go

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that shit balances yo

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Encryptor is negative mafia utility

Miller negative town utility
Gunsmith = doc + vig false positives

Teacher's Full doctor
Pisskop's 2 shot doctor
NC's Rolecop

Guhhhh....

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@pisskop claim your shots.
You're effectively brickwalling the entire game

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Let's get even more heated and use larger font sizes shall we?

The sad thing is that it's not even up to us at the end of the day- just waiting on Creature (guh- I don't like him being in control of the decision making considering his scum-equity) and skitter to decide.

[Vorkuta]

Can you do me a solid and get me the claims.

*inhales*

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nomnomnom- JOAT 1-shot tracker & GS
pisskop- miller 2 shot doctor
skitter30- VT
Nero Cain- rolecop
Creature- VT
Vorkuta- VT

[Vorkuta]

Read my posts nero ffs

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Okham's razor says it's pisskop as his baseless tunneling in my direction and daily reminders have been unjustified and unwarranted (backed up only by him linking one scum game of mine...) would synergize perfectly well with your fake guilty on me

Then again Creature is playing the scummiest I've seen him so far, being intentionally obtuse (much like PK...) just... lurking, and he reads completely like scum who can lurk it out to win. But DP felt town...
But yeah

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Spoiler:

I like how Vork just called everyone scum that's not voting me.

MAYBE skitter is confident enough to make it through MyLo with bussing her teammate (*looks at banner*), but she was put @L-1 yesterday so no.

NC = conf!scum with a fake guilty

Creature- disengaged and blah blah or lurk!creature
Bunny/Pisskop- honest town!miller OR in cahoots with NC and played this perfectly.
Recall that NC also pushed Bunny (scum!theater + distancing) with me on D1

oh and that leaves the other players
.
.
.
who aren't scum

#realtalk

Who is scum!nero setting up for?
He's a good player, so I'm 90% sure he's preparing for the contingency in which he gets lynched today and his partner has to carry tomorrow.

#realtalk

1 of Piss

I think this is NC reacting to this in some way.

@NC- kindly explain the mental gymnastics necessary for the bunny miller claim that we """"coordinated"""" and the consequent daily reminders from pisskop in a way that makes sense for that slot to be my """"scum-partner""""

Shit maybe pisskop is actually miller, but it doesn't make sense without a cop claim IMHO....

NC & Creature > NC & pk for now

@NC
Why did creature disappear from your list of scum!suspects seemingly overnight with very little reason?
Friendly reminder that Det Pika was a thing as well.

@Creature
This fence sitting doesn't help if you are town.
Pick one side and let us know where you stand- you have pages of content to go over and make up your mind.
Unless you don't want to and you're NC's scumbuddy

How did this game evolve so fast into this?

Is this bored town!creature or scum!"not-lurking, but look at me contributing" creature?

huh.... why does scum!creature make his presence known?

The last time I was town in a Lylo situation I fucked up because we went with the simplest/obvious/dumbest and most straightforward option

Creature > PK > skitter > nom is the order which makes the most sense but rereading some interactions just throws some things out the window

And yes I'm aware skitter has a little banner under her name that says "GOOD SCUM PLAYER".

That and the WIFOM paranoia is the only evidence I have

Whatever, I'll buy it.

Creature > Pisskop for me

Great- I was lost as well.

Pk's push on me back in.... whenever he rep'd in was unjustified and the only time he responded to 'why' he linked my first scum-game "musicals" and.... daily reminders

This is perfectly coordinated with the fake guilty.
I know I flip-flop on Creature v. Pisskop, but.... guh

Okham's razor says it's pisskop as his baseless tunneling in my direction and daily reminders have been unjustified and unwarranted (backed up only by him linking one scum game of mine...) would synergize perfectly well with your fake guilty on me

Then again Creature is playing the scummiest I've seen him so far, being intentionally obtuse (much like PK...) just... lurking, and he reads completely like scum who can lurk it out to win. But DP felt town...
But yeah

As it stands now, Pk > Creature, ESPECIALLY with the claims being all BS.

[Vorkuta]

Im 5 and cant do it myself. Type out how skit is confed.

2 goons and an encryptor is not balanced

[Vorkuta]

OBLIGATORY REMINDER there's a follow-the-cop situation for town, and that means scum has a PR to counter this shit.

Also reminder that nom D3 tracker-shot inno'd me.

Yet another reminder that NC's fake guilty on me is fake

[Vorkuta]

NOM - ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT NERO HAS A CREDIBLE CLAIM ON VORKIE. yOU DONT NEED TO FIND A pARTNER, YOU DONT NEED TO DECIDED WHO IS CONFTOWN.

Yes.... let's be just as stubborn as NC is and IGNORE THE FACT THAT TOMORROW IS A THING

Like you're perspective slipping so hard right now it's not even funny

[Vorkuta]

Maybe Im actually an encryptor?

Scum claim more please

[Vorkuta]

Holy shit it's NC and CREATURE

Pisskop is town.
While buying all of these coincidences is pretty damn hard, pisskop also has 2 doctor shots.
He's intentionally not telling us whether he used/hasn't used the shots to either save (from his POV) town!NC and/or playing the WIFOM game.

[Vorkuta]

It's one of those things that you have to stop reading the nonsense/garbage that they're saying and try to look at the things that they AREN'T saying.
NC's #5251 right now is a contingency to build fake associations with pk right now for creature (or the rest of you guys) to find and abuse tomorrow.
NC is trying to keep as many mislynch options open for tomorrow by faking associations/non-associations and all that.
But the one person he HASN'T TALKED ABOUT at all is creature.

Holy shit did I just crack it?

[Vorkuta]

Pisskop is not the type of player who would throw the game if he was frustrated with/at someone and you know it.
Garbage appeal

[Vorkuta]

ive provided clear examples of it.

A whole link to an entire scum game

[Vorkuta]

oh boy

[Vorkuta]

I'm standing my ground because I want it more than nero
The worst part is that I probably die for this tonight, so that makes me slightly sad.

[Vorkuta]

YOU HAVE NO FUCKING ANALYSIS JFC

you've been ignoring any and all questions and requests as to why I'm scum and how linking musicals is relevant

[Vorkuta]

Nero's been doing the heavy lifting and that's it. You've contributed NOTHING but BS claims and daily reminders

[Vorkuta]

We have a standoff
Team Vork (Vork, nom x3, skitter) vs Team NC (Nero, pisskop, Creature)

I doubt it'll resolve.
I also doubt NL is a good choice
What do

[Vorkuta]

pisskop
stop dodging and answer already

what's your case on me, and what does musicals have to do with it?

[Vorkuta]

You're telling me that nero isn't aggressive enough to be scum for you guys??
Nero gets like... "worse"?