Open 761: Grey Flag Nightless - [It's over!]

[RadiantCowbells]

My major concern about Ircher is that scum definitely want to vig me after Datisi so giving me a townread feels like a natural move for scum.

[Shoshin]

I don't know Datisi so I don't know if you're telling the truth about her. But my sense is that she's scum who's given up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I very rarely lie as scum in a manner that could be disproven.

[Shoshin]

Personal experience tells me that you do in fact lie as scum in ways that could be disproven. It's not something that you're guaranteed to do as scum in all games, but you definitely do it.

In other news, I just wish the townies would make themselves more obvious.

[Shoshin]

Why is Voted even in this game if he's not going to play it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Citation please.

[Shoshin]

You lied in Fire. You lied in Open game. You lied in the JM game.

[Shoshin]

Part of it might not even be intentional, I dunno -- but you definitely distort information in ways that you don't as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can you cite specific instances please

[Shoshin]

In Fire, you lied about me in ways that you should have known better because of conversations we had outside the game. I called you out on it in the game, but I guess you don't remember.

[Shoshin]

I mean, I can pull up examples from the games if you want.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would appreciate a specific link, if you don't mind.

Yes, that's what I'm asking for.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shoshin, did you consciously notice that I massively altered my normal posting style in this game?

[Shoshin]

viewtopic.php?p=10810225#p10810225

There's one example. You lied twice on the same page, and I called you out on it.

[Shoshin]

We can talk more about your scum tells outside this game, though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh. I was trying to signal to you. I don't remember what. I wasn't deliberately trying to lie for gain through dishonesty.

[Shoshin]

You were pushing my mislynch based on a meta argument that was completely invented, RC. And you were referring to games off-site that never took place. That's called lying. And it's something you never do as town, and sometimes (not always) do as scum.

[Shoshin]

There's other examples, but I don't think this is the place to talk about it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I see. We can talk about it some other time then.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shoshin, did you consciously notice that I massively altered my normal posting style in this game?

still looking for a response to this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm largely with you on town players needing to show it at this point. I do feel like I've caught at least 2 scum, but I'd like to know who the town are if I'm not right on both.

[Shoshin]

I've noticed differences to normal play, but I wouldn't have said it was in posting style.

[Shoshin]

I'm mostly in agreement with you about reads, except less sure on Buj. But this is partly because I hold out hope that town Buj will obvtown himself, and I'm waiting for this to happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have done my best this game to talk on your wavelength because I wanted to see if it made us get along better.

You can be the judge of that.

[Shoshin]

Are you scum?