Newbie 1941 - Game over

[teacher]

What will the deadline be when the second replacement is found? Can we get 2 days

[Wagonomics]

@NaCl - RCE is one of about three players on this site I believe I can soul read given three days with enough activity. I have no desire to be voting someone I can sort, and that I enjoy playing with.

Come back to ico

[teacher]

Eh, Im more interested in exploring some off-brands. I really want to rap with Kani; and to explore our divergent salt reads. Honestly you fall in this category where I think there is more reading to be done with an extended deadline. Youve been pushing Ico but not really given me a broad sense of your perspective on the board (or at least on that has lasted for me).

[Wagonomics]

mmmm salt

makes me want a margarita

I think ico scummy cause I don't think he's in the mental space of a townie that was l-1'd and then decreased pressure

rce town, cyrus town, emps prolly town I think, I think you maybe town

some sort of scum inside kani and salt

[teacher]

That’s fair on Ico. I would have expected more participation. Why did you leave Holden out of those reads?

[Wagonomics]

I briefly forgot he was in the game

I think I liked him for town when he was posting

[teacher]

Fair. He’s my towniest pic so far. So where we are worlds apart is salt. I’ve loved their evolution and contributions when they’ve been present. If I’m wrong on my townreads/leans, emps wins that because it could be my bias to liking him and willingness to write off lack of presence as vLa.

[Wagonomics]

Emps wins = emps would be scum?

[Kaniffee]

@teacher do you mean literal rapping?
With NaCl i think I read him as town initially, but I've been bit conflicted with his more recent posts. Was planning on doing another iso an resorting based on that.

[RCEnigma]

lynch red for great justice.

I can provide my interpretation of what happened, but I would suggest we move on. I dont think it is alignment indicative for any of the slots.

why lynch red slot? I'm feeling town there pretty well

I’m not. I’m seeing weak wagon joins, very different personality than the game you shared and pocketing of Cyrus. Want to convince me?

Also, to show my age and lack of hipness, what is ngl? I see it a lot and have an atmospheric meaning but not an actual one.

Now, I'll admit I'm 100% biased here. Understandably. But do you feel that way because red had you as their number 1 fos and/or were trying you to Ico?

Just on a quick RF iso my slot pushed Ico pretty hard, especially recently. I don't think "If Ico flips town Lynch me next" is really weak wagoin joining. You could argue it's posturing but I'd obviously argue back.

Also as we both know, pocketing is not a scum exclusive action and with Cyrus bleeding town I think it's a pretty obvious choice to townlock that slot.

I'm assuming Ico was let off the hook for claiming VT? I haven't gotten this far I've seen it referenced as well as a VT claim from Cyrus. Which happened first?

[Xtoxm]

Spangled replaced cyrus62.

What will the deadline be when the second replacement is found? Can we get 2 days

I'll restart the timer from 1 day, 17 hours. This day has been long enough already.

[Xtoxm]

VC 1.15

[2] RCEnigma:

NaCl, emps

[2] Iconeum:

RCEnigma, Spangled

[2] cyrus62:

HoldenGolden, Iconeum

[3] Not Voting:

Wagonomics, Kaniffee, teacher

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-07-07 21:00:00)

[Wagonomics]

RedFlavor,

*RCEnigma in your VC there mod

Fixed.

[Wagonomics]

VOTE: Iconeum

OK let's go back to this now

[RCEnigma]

In the Interest of transparency, im likely not moving my vote from Ico. Going anywhere outside of the already claimed VTs risks outing PRs. Also it's likely myself or Spangled end up being the nk. (Spangled should be pretty towncleared on play plus the rep out.) And I have the potential to lock the town up given enough time, from a scum perspective it's easier to cut me off with no momentum.

[teacher]

VOTE: Ico

RC I’m driving today but will respond before deadline if there’s time left.

[emps]

Hi I'm back, btw Ico is at L-1.
Think Red is scum and Ico is town personally
VLA shit ending in like 2-3 days

[RCEnigma]

Hey Nacl. What are your general reads at the moment?

[RCEnigma]

Hi I'm back, btw Ico is at L-1.

If only this wasn't newbie queue...

[Spangled]

Keep in mind everybody this is a fairly low effort read-then-react based catch-up

Spoiler: Catchup

I don't like 81

In 88, first bold with vote then 'I'm only bold when I'm town'

93 is slightly townie; legit confused tone.

low in 118 'as scum I'd try to keep some suspicion alive on me': what the heck is this reasoning

NACL provokes discussion (see 148); good questions

157 is legit, but a bit weird

174 is kind of weird let's see where this goes

Holden is nice and towny; 319

I know 325 is a case on *me* but I'm liking emps more and more

329 - I swear the amount of times I've seen scum say they'll read everything later... is about the same amount as I've seen town do it

368 makes a good point, I don't think scum would catch that/point it out

teacher's reasoning in 374 is good

377's 'there's no way I'm going to be alive tomorrow' feels a bit lamisty

379 hurts me it's such a newbie thing to do

381 still rubs me the wrong way though

393 helps me yet further with town!emps, even if he doesn't understand the sheer newbieness of cyrus; I softed a PR investigative role and then hardclaimed a JK my first game (teacher you'll remember that)

401 makes me cringe
(sorry everyone I'll stop commenting on my slot)

431 helps me think town!teacher

456 for Wagonlad is helping me think him town but he hasn't said much else to help

473: 'but it's not my fault there are 19 plus pages of this to go through on the first literal day. Not just day one in game but the the first physical day' is exactly how I feel

479: I'm absolutely hating Red right now; not because I disagree but this is so low effort I can't even

481 is helping me a little thank you Red

482-484 are also helping me

although 483's last line seems like posturing, but maybe that's just Red

485 goes a little far (a mislynch isn't gamethrowing)

486 understands cyrus (I'm not claiming anything, it just agrees with my feelings about cyrus' newbieness)

487 shows Red hasn't read everything (ba dum tish); doesn't know about Holden's joke-case on Wagonlad
- but the last line makes a good point

488 has some good reasong, but I'm going to stop giving posts that show town!emps; for me there are too many

498 helps me feel some town!Kaniffee, but not really much

504 and 505 further help me with town!NaCl

573 does feel pocket a bit

579 Kaniffee is still a weak TL

there's so much I want to say on cyrus; I kind of wish I was replacing into a different spot so I could analyse and re-analyse and build cases
but

620 makes my read on Red officially a weak townread

634 Red what even
you're not scummy, you're towny, but your playstyle is just

I can feel 644 as town but for some reason teacher is still rubbing me the wrong way and it'll stay a null read at this point

658 is damn straight (hey it even rhymes)

663 pushes teacher to a weak TL

668: I think it's a personal thing but I hate it when people say 'I'm just town'; I think I'm easily convinced by people to feel a certain way about others, so my brain gets mixed messages when people say that; wanting to agree with them but also not wanting to be the person who sheeps others, so I vaguely SR those who say stuff like that
I'd say 'everyone consider yourself warned' but that would feel like posturing; rather, everyone keep that in mind somewhat
(that still feels like posturing but anyway)

673 what does this post even mean (but this is NAI; the tone is weird but y'know)

675 feels townier yet; NaCl is okay in my mind

685 pushes NaCl to a TL I think

696 makes Holden town I think despite disagreements with that post

699 I'm really feeling town!Holden

729 doesn't help me with Kaniffee; it's NAI for me. Pushing a PL aggressively is the action of scum, and Kaniffee isn't doing that, but...

753 sounds like it should be a joke

Despite that, feeling better on town!Wagonlad as of 754 to 759
his response to Red's Jackal vote just feels weird to me though (760)

768 feels a bit posture-y but not very scummy and not enough to change my thoughts on Holden

786 - scum don't ask to freeze the deadline I don't think; teacher's still looking towny

Personally I disagree with 802; newb!scum don't tend to ask questions about people's reads (but Red shows towny reasoning)

Thank you for voicing my thoughts in 818; PLs don't help town if you can find scum (which you can)

Kaniffee's reasoning on Holden is just rubbish (838); it's half way to the 'firetrucks are red and they're always rushin' (Russian) around, so they're from the USSR' thing
(did I get that right?)
I mean it might just be that they don't understand ToS and it's 'jokey'-ness but seriously?

840 what is this tldr

842 teacher's reasoning is sound

843 I'm liking teacher yet more

Kaniffee 858 you are going back down to null; there are better people to lynch than teacher

871 I'm still good with town!Holden

875 is a defence that can go either way for me but I'm leaning scummy

Ico going against the flow in 878 is good

But still 883 heck yeah it's an underwhelming catch-up. Still, his going against the flow, especially on teacher and emps, is good

886 is so Red and it's kind of frustrating in that I want to SR for that casualness but I still feel like that's just Red being Red

Liking 889

What is 890 gah

I like 903's analysis, Holden is towny

teacher's willingness in 904 to explain himself to cyrus is slightly towny to me

I like teacher's analysis of cyrus in 906 as well

Flash thought: I still don't like Red's willingness to just make an Ico flashwagon (is that a phrase people use?)
and I can't hide my thoughts behind 'it's just Red being Red' forever
And jumping off teacher without an explanation is sort of iffy
But Red is Red; it can't be changed

930 is going with the flow
Kaniffee is my scummiest read yet I think

in 944, what NaCl says about Red is true. Maybe Red could be scum

963 has some good reasoning gah I keep flip-flopping about which way to to sort Red
But I do still think teacher is probably town

966 has good reasoning

Agreeing with 967 mostly.

968 has good reasoning I guess

Ico is seeming town but he also rubs me the wrong way a bit. 991 in particular.

But he does have some good reasoning - but scum can display good reasoning as well.

emps seems to have drifted into irrelevance at this point but I'm keeping my TR of him

Oh, no, just proved me wrong (on the irrelevance, not on the towniness)

I'm liking teacher more and more but he's back to rubbing me the wrong way a bit

I'm mostly sheeping teacher on 1021 but I reckon Kaniffee is not a townlean, and I'm more putting Wagon and Red at null. Also not really sure on Ico.

1024 feels a bit like buddying, but I don't really know how much it is buddying, or how AI it is.

1025 I agree with teacher somewhat, and he's definitely got some good reasoning on Ico.

What the heck is 1033

Kaniffee is looking so scummy for me; they're just gliding on all the townpoints they've earned and aren't doing anything

Everyone is ignoring Kaniffee

1053; 'Well seeing as teacher is unlikely to be lynched' - if you think someone is scum, push a flipping lynch (ba dum tish)

1079 and 1080 feels a bit like posturing - but maybe that's just Red

1104 has mostly good thoughts, but there's nothing wrong with being on a vanity

Emps I think you've got it wrong in 1114; you should stall claim as vt because it narrows the pool of who the PRs are. With both Ico and I (cyrus) having claimed, that narrows down scum's pool of who to shoot to 5 players.
I'm not saying I'm vt though; let's get this wifom going

What is this fluff-talking p.g. 46

I can't comment on all of p.g. 49 because it's just ico fighting cyrus

I hope someone can tell me after the game why cyrus and Red were force-replaced

The second paragraph of 1246 seems off to me; it's just bad reasoning. Sheeping your townreads to some degree makes sense.

1260: that is an excellent movie, if only because of the delicious alliteration. Hopefully, RCE, I can sort you better than I have been sorting Red (which is to say not much).

TL;DR in the form of a general readslist (but please at least skim my catch-up):
Town:
Emps
Holden
NaCl
Town/Null:
teacher
Null:
Ico
Red-slot/RCE
Wagon
Scumlean:
Kaniffee


All of the above was written about 4 hours ago (or something; before Xtoxm announced my replacing emps but after I responded to the Role PM), so I have new thoughts. I reread Kaniffee's ISO, and I think I have been tunnelling then a bit too much, but they still do ping me a bit, and a bit more than my null-reads. I'm changing them to weak SL. I personally don't really like an Ico lynch much, but I could take him as a compromise lynch. I'm sorry for not linking, but with that many posts that I've responded to, please give me some credit

[Spangled]

Hi I'm back, btw Ico is at L-1.

If only this wasn't newbie queue...

What do you mean by that?

[Spangled]

Emps wins = emps would be scum?

If emps is scum, he wins. I'm not even going to begin thinking about that; it is too scary.

[Spangled]

I guess just the idea of sheeping with someone you think is town, is kind of what scum have to do on some level because they know everyone is town, but if town is encouraged to do it too then that's 3+ people acting in a way that benefits scum. Not that voting town is always a bad move, but only doing it to sheep is what jumped out at me. Again, I'm new so there may be some deeper strategy I don't get, but that's why it stood out to me.

That first sentence doesn't even make sense. Sheeping your townreads means you're acting in a way you think benefits town, since you should

trust

the person you're townreading.

Oh, maybe you misunderstand the term sheeping. Sheeping means taking someone else's reads for your own; replacing yours with theirs. Not

voting

them.

[RCEnigma]

I actually don't need that reads list nacl I found what I was looking for.

[Spangled]

teacher, could you throw out a readslist for us?
Actually, could everyone get some readslists out; at the moment I'm dimly aware of what everyone else thinks, but not really.
Kaniffee, I'd especially like one from you.