With all the replacements and the nature behind this slot in particular, I'm going to redraw my vote right now before heading into ISOs land. I will say it is a werid (non AI) feeling having the person who replaced into your top scum slot also called the slot scum.
In post 994, Wagonomics wrote:that's mostly just because he is extremely hard to read and for that reason easy for scum to push for mislynches.
This is kinda a weird thing to say. Like Ive only been mislynched twice in my 20ish games - once at lylo (ahem), and once as a counterclaimed PR where I had been playing semi-intentionally scummy. SO I dont think Im an easy mislynch push? And I think I remember you saying in that lylo game that I am never lhf. So Im missing something.
I was scum that game
Sure, but (a) that doesnt mean you didnt think it, so that's an odd dodge, and (b) that still ignores the lack of mislynches on me. I mean, I change my game to suit my needs with the best of them, but I dont think Im ever an easy lynch so Im asking you to show your work.
In post 994, Wagonomics wrote:that's mostly just because he is extremely hard to read and for that reason easy for scum to push for mislynches.
This is kinda a weird thing to say. Like Ive only been mislynched twice in my 20ish games - once at lylo (ahem), and once as a counterclaimed PR where I had been playing semi-intentionally scummy. SO I dont think Im an easy mislynch push? And I think I remember you saying in that lylo game that I am never lhf. So Im missing something.
I was scum that game
Sure, but (a) that doesnt mean you didnt think it, so that's an odd dodge, and (b) that still ignores the lack of mislynches on me. I mean, I change my game to suit my needs with the best of them, but I dont think Im ever an easy lynch so Im asking you to show your work.
I didn't say you were an easy lynch I said you were an easy push. Actually you being a hard lynch is why you are a good scum push cause they can just say you're scummy all game to present the appearance of solving without having to deal with your greenflip. Remember that game I said you were "never lhf" I also spent half the game shading you and got townread for it
In post 1021, teacher wrote:Towncore: Emps, Holden, NaCl
Leantown: Kaniffee, Ico
Cant read him if you paid me money: Cyrus
Scumleans: Wagon, Red
Now that I'm looking at it, I don't really know how to parse Teacher intending to hammer Ico, then townleaning him and sharing wagon but voting red. It's a lot to take in during a short amount of time.
With all the replacements and the nature behind this slot in particular, I'm going to redraw my vote right now before heading into ISOs land. I will say it is a werid (non AI) feeling having the person who replaced into your top scum slot also called the slot scum.
It's scum indicative more often than town indicative.
With all the replacements and the nature behind this slot in particular, I'm going to redraw my vote right now before heading into ISOs land. I will say it is a werid (non AI) feeling having the person who replaced into your top scum slot also called the slot scum.
It's scum indicative more often than town indicative.
Haven't seen it used by town. Don't think reading your own slot is a priority for a town rep in, you don't have to sort yourself so it's more or less busywork.
Why does scum use this tell? I'm not really sure, maybe to project how "objectively" they're reading the game if they are including their own slot. Or to seem more involved in gamesolving. But again they don't have to solve their own slot.
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Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst
I don’t like it. The long ketchup without links is Lamist. I feel semi pocketed. And I find him scumreading his ownslot a little tmi where the view on the slot before was either town or erratic and therefore worth a D-1 lynch. I hadn’t ISO’d til you asked but actually would be fine wagoning that claim as well.
I would have assumed scum!cyrus would share cheating concerns by other means, so was adding that to the thought that he was too erratic to be scum, but Blergh is my overall reaction.
With all the replacements and the nature behind this slot in particular, I'm going to redraw my vote right now before heading into ISOs land. I will say it is a werid (non AI) feeling having the person who replaced into your top scum slot also called the slot scum.
It's scum indicative more often than town indicative.
Well, to be fair, I reckon I can case cyrus as having a severe case of newb!town, with some 9d-chess levels of WIFOM (whether intentional or not) in there, but I can see how others might have seen his slot as scummy. I know it isn't, but no one else does.
In post 1339, teacher wrote:I don’t like it. The long ketchup without links is Lamist. I feel semi pocketed. And I find him scumreading his ownslot a little tmi where the view on the slot before was either town or erratic and therefore worth a D-1 lynch. I hadn’t ISO’d til you asked but actually would be fine wagoning that claim as well.
I would have assumed scum!cyrus would share cheating concerns by other means, so was adding that to the thought that he was too erratic to be scum, but Blergh is my overall reaction.
Why is a long catch-up without links LAMIST? (Or was it how I did it?)
And where have I tried to pocket you?
(And I'm not SR-ing cyrus; 1306 was admitting that he looked a bit like newb!scum but I think he had some good moments in there as well, and that y'all are misinterpreting his newbieness for scumminess).
I'm gonna give intent now. When I unvoted Ico I hoped I would see some sort of activity from it to confirm what I saw in it during the Cyrus/Red debacle, and he just posted V/LA weekend, and nothing else since. Seeing as this day is gonna end before the weekend is over I see no point in waiting any longer.
intent to hammer Iconeum; deadline 18 hours
(or whenever I actually check in on this thread whichever comes last)
As for reads list
Town: Cyrus/Spangled, Wagon
TL: Holden, Emps
Null: Red/RCE, NaCl
SL: Teacher, Iconeum
Haven't seen it used by town. Don't think reading your own slot is a priority for a town rep in, you don't have to sort yourself so it's more or less busywork.
Why does scum use this tell? I'm not really sure, maybe to project how "objectively" they're reading the game if they are including their own slot. Or to seem more involved in gamesolving. But again they don't have to solve their own slot.
I didn't try and read my slot, I admitted he did some weird stuff that could be misinterpreted as scummy. Reading 1306 again I do realise that it didn't come off that way; my language there was a bit strong on his scumminess.
I regret that post's wording now.
(I actually have seen that tactic used by town; here.)
Pedit:
Kaniffee, could you react to my SL of you? Could you defend yourself perhaps?
Kaniffee, when I asked to rap with you I was asking you to explain why you are scum on my slot. You’ve repeatedly expressed suspicious, but not reasons. I want to see how you think a little more.
In post 1343, Spangled wrote:Why is a long catch-up without links LAMIST? (Or was it how I did it?)
Because of 1342 - it’s relaticely simple to add links, but doing it without vastly reduced the odds of people checking up. So you get credit for a speedrrsd without (too much) concern of consistency or revealing a mindset. It’s more the joe than the what.
As for pockets, I felt like I was more present in the readthrough than I have felt in the game, but that could be because you’re familiar w me and so picking up on more.
In post 1019, Wagonomics wrote:
