Micro 880: A Normal Game - Game Over!

[Firebringer]

skitter what is ur read on me rn?

[skitter30]

townlean but i don't particularly like it

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #12

the worst/Oversoul (1) - Dunnstral (397)

OkaPoka (4) (L-1) - skitter30 (191), Oversoul (404), callforjudgement (417), TemporalLich (425)

Dunnstral (0) -
Kop (0) -
skitter30 (1) - Firebringer (279)
Firebringer (0) -
TemporalLich (2) - Sleepless Assassin (158), OkaPoka (164)
Not Voting (1) - SweetNSassy/Kop

Lynch Threshold

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 will end on July 13, 2019 9:30:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) or in (expired on 2019-07-13 21:30:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. If you see any errors in the votecount, please let me know.
3. skitter30 is V/LA until Sunday, July 7.
4. Sleepless Assassin is V/LA until Monday, July 8.
5. Oversoul replaces the worst.
6. Kop replaces SweetNSassy.

Voting History Key: * = Hammer, + = L-1 vote.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

the worst (5): skitter30 (90) --> (Null) (168) --> OkaPoka (169) --> (Null) (253) --> SweetNSassy (340)
Oversoul: OkaPoka (404)
callforjudgement: Firebringer (94) --> OkaPoka (157) --> the worst (222) --> OkaPoka (417)
OkaPoka: SweetNSassy (85) --> Dunnstral (105) --> TemporalLich (164)
Dunnstral: SweetNSassy (300) --> the worst (397)
Sleepless Assassin: TemporalLich (93) --> Dunnstral (108) --> TemporalLich (158)
skitter30: OkaPoka (191+)
Firebringer: Dunnstral (91) --> skitter30 (111) --> Dunnstral (138+) --> skitter30 (279)
TemporalLich: OkaPoka (87) --> Dunnstral (109+) --> OkaPoka (167) --> Firebringer (285) --> OkaPoka (425+)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Dawn (Pregame; reference purposes only)

Sleepless Assassin: callforjudgement (14)

[Firebringer]

townlean but i don't particularly like it

not what I was expecting. why?

[skitter30]

which part of it

[Firebringer]

well I like u and don't care that u don't like ur read on me. so why r u townreading me?

[skitter30]

i think you actually believe the things you're pushing (even tho i disagree with them)
and, in contrast to jazz mafia, i actually feel like you're trying to solve the game and i can see how your thoughts have been developing

[Kop]

not fake

only forced in the sense that some of the reads were less developed then i want them to be

i can do an updated readslist if u want or would u prefer me to talk to you in the context of that post

Didn't quite like that you put FB in the middle, then someone calls it, you move it a few posts later. Your mindset should really be made to where you want people than someone questioning it and your attempting to appease by moving that slot.

I'm confused - who do u think oka is appeasing there?

Page 13. He was talking to lich. Lich questioned his reads, then few posts later, Oka moved his read on firebringer up a tier.

[skitter30]

Yes, but who is he appeasing? Fire or lich?

[Kop]

Yes, but who is he appeasing? Fire or lich?

Appeasing lich, why else would he change a read after being questioned on it?

[skitter30]

He's scumreading lich tho?

Why would hr be appeasing him - that's where i'm slightly confused

[Kop]

He's scumreading lich tho?

Why would hr be appeasing him - that's where i'm slightly confused

Lich is voting him, I am aiming at he could have been trying to get lich to remove his vote by trying to talk to him.

[skitter30]

I'm not sure i really see that here honestly

[Oversoul]

Did sweet n sassy ask to play mafia or did you ask her to play @sleepless

Why would this matter, Oka?

Is there a role modifier that only lets you check people on lynch wagon?

There is a role called sensor. It is very OP though.

i think you actually believe the things you're pushing (even tho i disagree with them)
and, in contrast to jazz mafia, i actually feel like you're trying to solve the game and i can see how your thoughts have been developing

Why don’t you particularly like your townread on FB? Do you disagree with my assessment of FB town?

[skitter30]

I think he's doing townie things but i disagree with just about all of his conclusions

Your reasons for townreading him are fine, i guess. I dont have strong feelings on it

[OkaPoka]

1) just curious

2) lich was voting firebringer at the time and questioned my firebringer TR?

[OkaPoka]

Kop explain to me in context how I was appeasing lich

[OkaPoka]

@mod vla next 48 hrs

[Sleepless Assassin]

VOTE: SweetNSassy

The avoiding talking about things thing feels scummy

This was her first game. It looks like she just had no idea what to say. I gave her a quick rundown before we /in'd but told her once we have role PMs only ask questions in thread. I think she got overwhelmed. Sucks to see a replacement rather than allowing us to help her figure it out because now she probably won't stay on site and now I don't really have a reason to play but whatever, on with the game I guess.

assuming this is singleball

I know this is gonna sound nitpicky and probably won't convince anyone but me of anything but this sounds like the kind of thing scum says to try to show they don't have more info than town. It's a micro. The odds of multiple teams are so low that it doesn't make sense to bring it up Day 1.

Your ISO feels like you're playing the game, 191 is a vote with reads, 196 is a good explanation, 232 is good, and the readlist in 273 seems pretty good (to the point where even Oka thinks it is good).

So you think skitter as scum wouldn't play the game wouldn't give a vote with reads, wouldn't explain things, and wouldn't post a good reads list?

Like all of this seems fake to me

This kind of thing needs more words or it's meaningless to the rest of us.

______________

Gotta go do things. I'll pick up from page 14 when I can.

[callforjudgement]

townlean but i don't particularly like it

not what I was expecting. why?

I was expecting this. skitter seems to analyse the game in much the same way I do, and thus is likely to a) disagree with everything you're saying, but b) see that the reasoning behind it is consistent.

Actually, the main thing I'm surprised at is that skitter hasn't complained abut my recent activity. I've been having problems finding things to say about this game because it feels like not much is happening; there have been lots of posts but I haven't seen much alignment-indicative in them, and not much that warrants really pointing it out. So I haven't been posting as much as I'd like, and I feel like skitter would have picked up on that?

My current read on OkaPoka is conflicted; I think he's more likely than random to be scum, but maybe less than 50% to be scum. I guess it's that his actions are blatantly scummy, but emotionally he feels more town. (@

Firebringer

: do you have an argument for OkaPoka as town? I'd be interested to see it, it may help me to gather my own thoughts on the matter.)

PEDIT: This is definitely singleball. Multiball is explicitly abNormal in Micros.

[callforjudgement]

You have too much to lose to try and keep me afloat. You can't buddy a dead slot and you will end up being called a white knight. It sabotages you too much and in truth I think more townies have been called white knights than scum actually white knighting.

Could you clarify what you meant by this? I'm interpreting this as you asking Firebringer not to defend you because you fear he'll be scummy for doing so, but think I might have misinterpreted. (It can't be a scum breadcrumb/signal, which was my first thought, because scum have daytalk.)

[skitter30]

I know this is gonna sound nitpicky and probably won't convince anyone but me of anything but this sounds like the kind of thing scum says to try to show they don't have more info than town. It's a micro. The odds of multiple teams are so low that it doesn't make sense to bring it up Day 1.

no, it makes sense in context
namely, he can read me p well and can pick up on the differences between my town and scumgames p easily

.... except in the last game i played with him, which was multiball, where i was scum, and fooled him *quite* well because it was multiball - most of the things he'd use to correctly scumread me dont' apply in multiball
hence, he was giving the caveat that if it's singleball he can trust his read on me

this makes sense to me given prior games

[skitter30]

1. force of habit
2. i like him and he seems to understand my words and agrees with me. maybe im being whiteknighted though but i havent been whiteknighted in a very long time so thats not going to be at the top of my scumreading criterion

now that ive said that whiteknighting is back on the table for suspicion on anyone except firebringer because the well

has been

poisoned

oooh
ahh

Like all of this seems fake to me

@sa did this come from here?

like it feels really strange here to bring up 'he's town unless i've been white-knighted but that hasn't happened in a really weird time so i don't consider it really but now that i brought it up i'll need to consider it for everyone else' ... like does this feel like a real thought process to you ????

he hasn't been white-knighted ina long time so like he doesn't use that as a scumhunting criteria usually - so why bring it up here?

and then why the saracastic/tongue-in-cheek bit at the end about white-knighting everyone else because now that he's thought about it he needs to apply it to everyone ... it just feels forced and like unnatural

i don't know how to explain it better really

[skitter30]

townlean but i don't particularly like it

not what I was expecting. why?

I was expecting this. skitter seems to analyse the game in much the same way I do, and thus is likely to a) disagree with everything you're saying, but b) see that the reasoning behind it is consistent.

Actually, the main thing I'm surprised at is that skitter hasn't complained abut my recent activity. I've been having problems finding things to say about this game because it feels like not much is happening; there have been lots of posts but I haven't seen much alignment-indicative in them, and not much that warrants really pointing it out. So I haven't been posting as much as I'd like, and I feel like skitter would have picked up on that?

My current read on OkaPoka is conflicted; I think he's more likely than random to be scum, but maybe less than 50% to be scum. I guess it's that his actions are blatantly scummy, but emotionally he feels more town. (@

Firebringer

: do you have an argument for OkaPoka as town? I'd be interested to see it, it may help me to gather my own thoughts on the matter.)

PEDIT: This is definitely singleball. Multiball is explicitly abNormal in Micros.

i mean i was away for a long weekend too and then read everything in one sitting

a) it seems kinda silly to complain about other people being absent when i was too
b) reading it one sitting i didn't really notice your absence tbh
c) i'm beginning to get nervous that you're buddying me

[OkaPoka]

I am preempting the what if firebringer is buddying argument