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[nomnomnom]

I still don't get the vig thing.

[Nero Cain]

i guess its not foil proof but Nom scum reading eyes and then shooting him doesn't make the most sense to me.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I guess he could so someone like me would make that exact argument but I'm not in love with the idea that scum nks his fake scumread to discredit himself.

Also, Montosh is scum so....

[Kirari Momobami]

How is it weird? The guy was a common scumread and heavily pushed before RF slipped, what's wrong with finding that weird? I don't get it.

Finding it weird is normal. Concluding that because it is weird it does not come from either groupscum or SK is suspicious, when there is evidence that makes an additional vig seem less likely than usual. I feel like you were presenting invalid analysis, possibly because you wanted to either soft being a vig to stave off investigative actions, or claim vig later if you are an SK that hits a groupscum later in the game. I think an SK would make that kill to set up a vig claim which is what it looks like you were doing.

[Kirari Momobami]

i guess its not foil proof but Nom scum reading eyes and then shooting him doesn't make the most sense to me.

I'm not sure nom made the kill, nom might just want to take credit for the kill later on as part of a vig fakeclaim. If nom is groupscum, and SK dies later in the game, then nom could claim they made the kill even if it was an SK kill.

Scum love casting confusion over night actions, and this is already a confusing night action so making it even more confusing seems scummy to me.

[Kirari Momobami]

I don't even really want to fight you on montosh, I think he flips town but I really have very little confidence in that particular read. I can see where you're coming from even if we reach different conclusions, basically.

If we don't get nom today, like, whatever there's probably multiple scum this game and maybe your push is on groupscum and I'm on the SK. I just don't think nom flips town. If I was more confident she was group scum in particular, I'd say we have to lynch her today. But I think she's most likely SK trying to set up a vig fakeclaim, second likely groupscum trying to sow confusion, third likely town that's just... making weird conclusions. Today isn't really an "SK" hunt day. But I don't want to mislynch town and I don't think we lynch town if we lynch nom, is where I'm at.

[nomnomnom]

How is it weird? The guy was a common scumread and heavily pushed before RF slipped, what's wrong with finding that weird? I don't get it.

Finding it weird is normal. Concluding that because it is weird it does not come from either groupscum or SK is suspicious, when there is evidence that makes an additional vig seem less likely than usual. I feel like you were presenting invalid analysis, possibly because you wanted to either soft being a vig to stave off investigative actions, or claim vig later if you are an SK that hits a groupscum later in the game. I think an SK would make that kill to set up a vig claim which is what it looks like you were doing.

I am not vig, I literally do not know where you got this from or whatever.

[Nero Cain]

legit question: do you think there are two groupscum left or a group scum and an SK?

[nomnomnom]

I do not understand your fixation with me softing vig or whatever, that's just weird rolefishing right there.

[Nero Cain]

oday isn't really an "SK" hunt day.

but aren't you pushing nom as the sk?

[Kirari Momobami]

but aren't you pushing nom as the sk?

I am, I basically think she's most likely SK I'm just not sure. Do you think Montosh is groupscum in particular?

[Nero Cain]

like its better to just lynch montosh so I can move on to someone else in case I'm wrong but I don't really think I am so...

like the guy was scumreading Creature b4 creature even posted and that just seems so much like scum that knew scum would flip scum.

[popsofctown]

is N0 cop normal

[Nero Cain]

no lol

[popsofctown]

sounds like i should vote montosh then

[Nero Cain]

Do you think Montosh is groupscum in particular?

I really hate being asked questions that I already answered.

Also, you pushing the SK today makes shit all sense as town.

I think its just a mont/kirari solve

[Kirari Momobami]

I do not understand your fixation with me softing vig or whatever, that's just weird rolefishing right there.

I'm simply exploring the range of your motivations in reaching an illogical conclusion. Since "eyes kill doesn't come from either groupscum or sk" is not a logical conclusion based on the evidence of the game, I am thinking through each possible permutation of what agenda you may have in presenting that conclusion to the town. I do think the eyes kill came from scum, so the question for me is why you would come to the opposite conclusion

IF SK
-Simply trying to avoid town realizing a pattern in SK kills
-Setting up a vig fakeclaim later in the game
-Trying to appear to not be the SK

IF groupscum:
-Groupscum trying to avoid an SK kill by saying clearly false statements?
-Trying to set up a vig fakeclaim if SK gets killed by a scum shot later in the game?
-Just screw with town's NKA?

IF town:
-huh? how on earth did you get to "that kill wasn't either scum faction" with a very likely SK in the game and a dead vig?

[Kirari Momobami]

I think its just a mont/kirari solve

this seems really lazy, you can't just always throw people that disagree with you into a scumteam and call it a day

[Nero Cain]

yes I can, I'm Nero Cain.

[Kirari Momobami]

Fair enough

[Kirari Momobami]

is N0 cop normal

sounds like i should vote montosh then

?

[nomnomnom]

I do not understand your fixation with me softing vig or whatever, that's just weird rolefishing right there.

I'm simply exploring the range of your motivations in reaching an illogical conclusion. Since "eyes kill doesn't come from either groupscum or sk" is not a logical conclusion based on the evidence of the game, I am thinking through each possible permutation of what agenda you may have in presenting that conclusion to the town. I do think the eyes kill came from scum, so the question for me is why you would come to the opposite conclusion

IF SK
-Simply trying to avoid town realizing a pattern in SK kills
-Setting up a vig fakeclaim later in the game
-Trying to appear to not be the SK

IF groupscum:
-Groupscum trying to avoid an SK kill by saying clearly false statements?
-Trying to set up a vig fakeclaim if SK gets killed by a scum shot later in the game?
-Just screw with town's NKA?

IF town:
-huh? how on earth did you get to "that kill wasn't either scum faction" with a very likely SK in the game and a dead vig?

i never said the kill comes from neither??? I said it was a weird kill and you're fixating yourself on that like I said something unthinkable lmao

[Kirari Momobami]

I honestly wonder why scums/SK decided to kill eyes given the heavy push on him yesterday by the way. I find that honestly nonsensical.

I just don't see it.

rereading context, it's pretty clear that's exactly what you were saying in this post

[Kirari Momobami]

I honestly wonder why scums/SK decided to kill eyes given the heavy push on him yesterday by the way. I find that honestly nonsensical.

I just don't see it.

i never said the kill comes from neither???

I'm starting to want this slot gone bad, this is an explicit lie

[nomnomnom]

I said it was weird, not impossible. I don't think there's another vig this game so your analysis is just plain reaching.