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[Hectic]

Honestly, I haven't read through the thread properly yet because I was about to sleep. I'll be back in 12 hours.

[Inferno390]

You have posted very little sortable content

This is actually untrue, but very few people in this game have any ability when it comes to sorting me.

Why are you condemning him off this, then?

The issue isn't that he's inaccurately reading me. The issue is that he's pushing someone else over something I'm blatantly doing and claiming that I haven't done anything AI.

That’s the thing.
You’re not doing anything like what tn is doing.
Ten is asking these odd questions and making some remarks I find funny, that in my opinion sound like scum trying to get a feel for the players in the game and trying to get a handhold on the game.
Your posting definitely does not have this feel or implications. You’re posting a lot of fluff at the very very basic level. Tn has only made a handful of posts, but they advance the game state in the sense that they have generated discussion between others. You on the other hand are posting a lot, but it’s a lot of meaningless or useless information for sorting/game state.

[Inferno390]

@Hectic: In most scenarios, yes, you do not claim BP. But in this setup, there is a strat that can make things much harder down the road for scum based on whether or not a BP is claimed in this phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

You have posted very little sortable content

This is actually untrue, but very few people in this game have any ability when it comes to sorting me.

Why are you condemning him off this, then?

The issue isn't that he's inaccurately reading me. The issue is that he's pushing someone else over something I'm blatantly doing and claiming that I haven't done anything AI.

Ok I understand that.
VOTE: Inferno
I'll actually join you here

[Gamma Emerald]

Conflict of Interest:

This is my first game on this site, but I've played a few games on my university's mafia society forum. I think my chances are lower than average.

All the hydras in this game scare me; are hydras harder or easier to read than an individual?

Also, why is it good to claim bp straight away? My understanding is that it'd be a confirmed town that is risky to shoot at by mafia in the night, but couldn't mafia then have a roleblocker, given they're in the same column?

Mafia RB can't do anything against BP. In addition there's a second step we'll get to if everyone claims not BP.

[RadiantTroubadour]

... wig

VOTE: gamma

hectic, as gamma said roleblockers only stop active abilities. if there's a bp we prevent scum from fakeclaiming it (which they can do in the jk/vt/goon setup), get a conftown that if shot doesn't add to our mislynches so theres little utility in the protection claimed or not (besides obviously forcing scum to spend 2 phases to kill a bp), and if there's no bp but there is a tracker they can claim so that the doctor can protect them in secret every night for a psuedo follow the cop (the second part gamma is referring to). this is widely agreed to be the optimal play for the setup and was found late into its life by my other head actually

hydras can be annoying to read sometimes if you have different reads on the different heads, but for the most part as long as both players communicate with each other theyre usually cohesive enough to be read as a single unit

[Inferno390]

Gamma, have you compared Jingle’s ISO and Conflict’s side by side?

[Jingle]

Firstly, I will agree that it feels weird. It’s a lot of words for an entrance I think.
But if it feels weird, wouldn’t you rather push the hydra to see if it obvtowns or not?

Does it read like town pocketing or scum pocketing?

Did you go back to reread his entrance when I called attention to it, or was it a happy accident?

Happy accident. You super ninja’d me.
I feel like, knowing RC is on the other end, it’s scummy. I think if it was town it would have come off a little differently. But I’m not sure.

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RadiantTroubadour

: I'd like for us to get on the same wavelength as soon as possible, so if you could just immediately send a mountain of stuff at me rather than spreading it over weeks, that would be great. I look forward to working with you if you're town.

~tn5421

Why does this read like pocketing to me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, have you compared Jingle’s ISO and Conflict’s side by side?

I saw your point but the problem is he says you're suspecting someone with similar posting and you replied saying CoI's posting was different but you also stated a town read on CoI so there's a doubt that Jingle may mean someone else.

[Gamma Emerald]

Or I missed the point entirely, damn.

[Jingle]

Also, why is it good to claim bp straight away? My understanding is that it'd be a confirmed town that is risky to shoot at by mafia in the night, but couldn't mafia then have a roleblocker, given they're in the same column?

There is a 1/6 chance that BP is a safeclaim for scum. (The scum PoV is actually 1/4 or 0).

Forcing scum to commit to that earlier as opposed to being able to claim when they're under pressure means it's less so a fakeclaim.

Similarly, Town can safely claim BP as BP and be a functional innocent for the game since scum would need to spend two days shooting them.

Additionally, in the case that we're in Doc/Tracker, Tracker can be assured of the existence of a Doc via the nature of the setup. Which allows for the breaking strat of Follow the Tracker (Tracker claims/Doc protects tracker ad nauseam.

Whether this is actually an optimal strat is fairly well accepted by everyone but me, but the people who know my proposed scum strats to take advantage of it in this game are Jingle and RadiantCowbells.

Which means, of course, that scum Jingle is either not taking advantage of those strats in the interest of pocketing RC, scum Jingle is not taking advantage of those strats because we're in RB, or Jingle is town.

Which further means that in the absence of a roleblocker, RC/Jingle is a functionally impossible team.

[Jingle]

VOTE: gamma

Hmmm.

[Inferno390]

Gamma, have you compared Jingle’s ISO and Conflict’s side by side?

I saw your point but the problem is he says you're suspecting someone with similar posting and you replied saying CoI's posting was different but you also stated a town read on CoI so there's a doubt that Jingle may mean someone else.

Or I missed the point entirely, damn.

Yeah you did.
For a start I do not have a town read on Conflict.

[Inferno390]

My point is that Jingle is saying that he is doing the same sort of things as tn and I am scumreading Conflict and not him for those things.
A quick ISO comparison shows that their posting is nowhere near similar and a look at my ISO shows that not only have I called a hard scumread on Conflict, I’m pushing the slot for reasons that Jingle in no way has done AND called weird himself.

[Jingle]

You're pressuring him for buddying RC and an awkward entrance. (note, you're specifically not scumreading tn, you've made that clear.)

Firstly, I’m not “scumreading” tn either. I’m just putting pressure in the slot’s direction because I think his posting has been weird.

I agree that the entrance was weird. I also have been buddying both RC and tn, and you've been ignoring that, which is also weird. Additionally, you say I haven't been doing anything, when about a third of my ISO is game relevant.

So, to recap:

tn is buddying RC which is specifically objectionable.
Jingle is buddying RC which is NAI.
tn is null.
You're putting pressure on tn.
Jingle is fluffposting and therefore null.
You're not putting pressure on Jingle.

moar pressure, plz.

[Conflict of Interest]

Conflict of Interest:

This is my first game on this site, but I've played a few games on my university's mafia society forum. I think my chances are lower than average.

All the hydras in this game scare me; are hydras harder or easier to read than an individual?

Also, why is it good to claim bp straight away? My understanding is that it'd be a confirmed town that is risky to shoot at by mafia in the night, but couldn't mafia then have a roleblocker, given they're in the same column?

If you're familiar with any of the individual heads of a hydra, that makes it easier to read them.
If you're not, they are equally likely to be easier or harder to read.

Claiming BP straight away gives town a confirmed town that cannot simply be removed by the scum team, it also lets us narrow down the setup and reduce the number of fake claims mafia can make. From 6 possible setups to 2 if there is a bp, or 4 if there isn't a bp.

You have posted very little sortable content

This is actually untrue, but very few people in this game have any ability when it comes to sorting me.

Why are you condemning him off this, then?

The issue isn't that he's inaccurately reading me. The issue is that he's pushing someone else over something I'm blatantly doing and claiming that I haven't done anything AI.

That’s the thing.
You’re not doing anything like what tn is doing.
Ten is asking these odd questions and making some remarks I find funny, that in my opinion sound like scum trying to get a feel for the players in the game and trying to get a handhold on the game.
Your posting definitely does not have this feel or implications. You’re posting a lot of fluff at the very very basic level. Tn has only made a handful of posts, but they advance the game state in the sense that they have generated discussion between others.

You on the other hand are posting a lot, but it’s a lot of meaningless or useless information for sorting/game state.

I'm not quite sure how to react to this.
I can't remember the last time I was seriously scumread while playing my town game.

What you really need to ask yourself is: What is the scum motivation for playing like I'm playing, and then ask, what is the town motivation for playing like I'm playing.

You could also meta dive me, as I recently updated my wiki to include pretty much every game I've completed on site.

The tone of this last part implies pretty heavily that you consider me to be more town than Jingle is, but you're still voting me? And if you're wondering why I came to this conclusion? Read the part of the quote I bolded again.

Gamma, have you compared Jingle’s ISO and Conflict’s side by side?

I saw your point but the problem is he says you're suspecting someone with similar posting and you replied saying CoI's posting was different but you also stated a town read on CoI so there's a doubt that Jingle may mean someone else.

Or I missed the point entirely, damn.

Yeah you did.
For a start I do not have a town read on Conflict.

Go meta dive me so I can scumread you for this stance.
~tn

[Conflict of Interest]

You're pressuring him for buddying RC and an awkward entrance. (note, you're specifically not scumreading tn, you've made that clear.)

Firstly, I’m not “scumreading” tn either. I’m just putting pressure in the slot’s direction because I think his posting has been weird.

I agree that the entrance was weird. I also have been buddying both RC and tn, and you've been ignoring that, which is also weird. Additionally, you say I haven't been doing anything, when about a third of my ISO is game relevant.

So, to recap:

tn is buddying RC which is specifically objectionable.
Jingle is buddying RC which is NAI.
tn is null.
You're putting pressure on tn.
Jingle is fluffposting and therefore null.
You're not putting pressure on Jingle.

moar pressure, plz.

This isn't a happy jingle at all.

[Jingle]

This isn't a happy jingle at all.

Why can't I be happy and snarky at the same time?

[Conflict of Interest]

This isn't a happy jingle at all.

Why can't I be happy and snarky at the same time?

it's a song of sadness
a song of storms, if you will

[Conflict of Interest]

Conclusion: apply memetic chainsaw to dying fire

VOTE: inferno390

~tn

[Jingle]

[Conflict of Interest]

[Inferno390]

You're pressuring him for buddying RC and an awkward entrance. (note, you're specifically not scumreading tn, you've made that clear.)

Firstly, I’m not “scumreading” tn either. I’m just putting pressure in the slot’s direction because I think his posting has been weird.

I agree that the entrance was weird. I also have been buddying both RC and tn, and you've been ignoring that, which is also weird. Additionally, you say I haven't been doing anything, when about a third of my ISO is game relevant.

So, to recap:

tn is buddying RC which is specifically objectionable.
Jingle is buddying RC which is NAI.
tn is null.
You're putting pressure on tn.
Jingle is fluffposting and therefore null.
You're not putting pressure on Jingle.

moar pressure, plz.

See, I don't read your posting as buddying RC. It reads similarly to the last time I played with both of you and you bantered against each other. So I'm taking it as null. And it's not just tn's buddy that is bothering me, as you would understand if you were reading my posts.
And tn is not null. It's a slight scumlean.

[Inferno390]

Tn: I do not townread you more than Jingle. I townread you less.
Now with that out of the way, I can see a world where you as scum are trying to feel out the players in the game, who is more experienced, who is lees experienced, who could be a threat to your wincon, etc. And your questions, from a town standpoint, seem weird. I can't see a town reason why you would ask anyone what their favorite tactic to form reads is.
Under this context, the RC buddying makes sense, because I know he can have a lot of town influence and be a problem for scum players. Having some sort of early sway over what he is thinking can be very powerful for guiding mislynches and the like.

[Conflict of Interest]

Let's be honest, RC isn't the threat scum!tn is worried about, but Jingle and Katyusha