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[Flavor Leaf]

I want to be a part of the DC fun!
FL is the only one I know in this game so:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
~Batman

What...? We accidentally got in a game together? Lol

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

Ew Boon no

Feel free to tell me more about that first take tho

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It’s eww you said eww.

Arkham is semi posturing, and hiding behind their large amount of players to act like they’re doing stuff.

DEB’s familiarity and general excitement for the game implies a S-S relationship as well, and as we know DEB’s not VT, that plays even more into it.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re young baby you still got time.

Saucy take: one of the big hydras are scum. Deb is either scum or town PR.

Must be Batman then. We're clean.

-B

I actually tend to believe this even.

[Flavor Leaf]

Arkham definitely has the duck in it, doesn’t it?

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Debby doggie dog, claim Not VT for me

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Huh! Dk. Donkey Kong is here

[Flavor Leaf]

Nope. Scum are just establishing the gamestate, so it’s boring. They’re doing stuff specifically to not come across as scummy, and i don’t think they’re pushing their agenda just yet, so it’s just a waiting game until they make some plays.

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I was half waiting for someone to put Chickadee to L-1 and then was gonna hammer because I had a theory i don’t feel like stating just yet, and then I also almost did a fake hammer, but I decided against that too.

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I have absolutely no thoughts on your alignment, just theories, but my theory actually implies you as town.

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He seems to be suggesting something else, Chickadee.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

-The Joker

The duck here realizes I’m the main one who sees them as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Imma pull a DEB. Ready?

Guys, I’m V fuckin’ T. I have low efforted this game so hard and probably will for a while, so imma just fluff post and make snarky comments whilst giving thoughts but not really acting upon.

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Because as scum, it gave AA the out to not have to 1g1 me, and as town, he knows I’m basically an IC.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because as scum, it gave AA the out to not have to 1g1 me, and as town, he knows I’m basically an IC.

Blame Harley, man. I actually was looking forward to 1v1ing Flavor :< then she changed the vote.

-The Joker

Hey, she is not a victim. Do not throw your blame on her.

[Flavor Leaf]

If B is BBmolla, hey, what’s up. DEB is Simon.

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Ah, Auro as Jokers fits having hard 1v1 me and then we came to town reading each other too

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Too many people town reading me.

Scum are probably in that.

They probably think I’m a PR.

[Flavor Leaf]

They said one of the guesses were wrong.

Is it Krazy or Ankamius that is incorrect, because the other three are the PPG, so that makes sense.

Maybe it’s Akarin and not Ank.

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I don’t really like Poison Ivy’s recent posts, but if I see them as Ankamius, it’s less scummy, just Ankamius, which means they could be right somewhere

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Well, the guess said it was PPG, plus Krazy/Ankamius, but then it was confirmed one of them were wrong.

I guess in theory one of the PPG could be incorrect, but I feel Joker is for sure Auro.

You are the one that i thought had most equity in being incorrect, but I don’t really believe that anymore

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Which semi implies Krazy is also one of the heads, but i guess he’d be katwoman, so that could be wrong, but i could see Krazy picking katwoman.

I honestly can’t tell or remember Pink Ball/Nancy, so that could imply for sure one of them isn’t in the game however. I don’t know who would replace them, though

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I feel like I was also in Overkill 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

DEB would vote me anyways.

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im aware he's in the game.

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i commented on him real early.

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What...? We accidentally got in a game together? Lol

Yeah, this was your reaction to him voting you Which implied you didn't know at that point that he was there, which means you hadn't planned according to the playerlist before that point, which means you're likely town.

Unless you faked it? Or do you not pay attention to player lists as scum too?

-The Joker

I don't think that's AI of me, and I could have rolled scum, and then saw he was in the game.

That's not what happened, but i dont see why that couldn't be a thing

[Flavor Leaf]

im flavor leaf

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If I were a super villain, I'd make puns, and you'd all think I would be psychotic.

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I actually think Deb is town.

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I just feel like this isn’t his scum game.

He’d be more aggro fluff if he was

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His 6-0 thing is wrong, though.

I beat him with my scum game.

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But if that’s the case, you did lose there, because you didn’t have fun because you rolled VT.

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I actually think Deb is town.

I just feel like this isn’t his scum game.

He’d be more aggro fluff if he was

You right

It works perfectly when i quote it

[Flavor Leaf]

Disagree. It’s a great reason to believe he’s town.

He’s aggro fluff

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but in this case, it is. Im adapting to what i feel he’d be doing and/or aware by analytical prowess.

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He *thinks* he acts the same, but there’s differences, like the aggro fluff.

This is just defensive.

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Yeah, but I don’t.

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I’ve seen every single game he’s played here.

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Mixed in with him getting ran up early, I think it’s town.

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I think you’re in claim town, DEB. Go ahead and claim.

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I think you’re in claim town, DEB. Go ahead and claim.

Have I not basically done this already? I’m town. If I say any more than that, you probably won’t see me after night. In fact, just this post alone will probably get me NK’d.

Kinda the point, that’s how you get scum to kill you rather than town to kill you, but it also potentially opens you up for night protection.

Anyone can say they are town.

Claiming a role shows thought process and genuineness.

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Lol, I don’t think DEB ever makes that role up tbh

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Would you rather he claimed scum doctor enabler?

That is however the best reasoning for it that i’ve Seen.

I don’t believe he makes that claim up, though, so regardless of alignment, i feel he is a doctor enabler.

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DEB doesnt come up with that here on his own; he’s either true claiming as town, has that role or scum, or somebody coached him into it

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VOTE: Binary Store

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I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.

Do you seriously think scum targets you over a 5 headed hydra?

~HQ

Yes. Do you seriously think I don't get targeted by scum here unless they think I'm trying to get shot?

My activity level + content this game is very comparable to the majority of games that I am night 1 killed on.

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are you guys a headache, though?

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I not always just a headache?

[Flavor Leaf]

ts time to play

the

this game

[Flavor Leaf]

Also becauase nobody said it:

Dr Easy Bake got baked.

Easily.

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I didn’t realize it was flipless, not gonna lie.
this leaf has a townie Flavor here.

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would you agree with the assessment that you'd probably be trying harder/have more of a presence as scum here

Of course.

While that is correct, as scum I could fake this stuff, along with that early post not knowing DEB was in this game.

I just am town, sompost game you’ll know that it was genuine.

[Flavor Leaf]

Most games I’m mislynched in end up in town losses.

Players just don’t know about that because it doesn’t happen.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually really easy to read, players just can’t handle this much flavor blastin

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Doesn’t help that i keep forgetting who you are

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay. All 4 of my scum games are done guys.

I’ll be here now.

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Nah, I’m town. That’s not gonna happen unless i get in an argument with someone, but at this point in likely to just let them run over me

[Flavor Leaf]

I have an inkling to start modding another game even though i have Boon Wars going.

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Nah, DEB 100% doesn’t fake that claim.

He could be that as scum, sure, but it wasn’t fake.

[Flavor Leaf]

What doc claim.

I only remember the enabler claim

[Flavor Leaf]

And I’m specifically stating that it wasn’t fake, regardless of alignment, that was real

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Might not be fake that Dan is a doctor, but i still believe DEB does not make that up.

That actually leans Credit towards AA scum, tbh.

If DEB isn’t actually an Enabler, then someone coached him into saying that.

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AA is gambiting is my best bet

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AA was bringing up the fact that they’re the most likely to die right?

That’s setting up this gambit, Dan could be a part of it.

However, by no killing there it makes it seem like the doctor still can protect.

VOTE: AA

This isn’t town

[Flavor Leaf]

I can soul read DEB; I’m not wrong.

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You didn't actually roll scum 5 times simultaneously did you boon?

-Kat

To be fair, before I was saying 4 times simultaneously, I was saying 3, but alas, 4 was all.

[Flavor Leaf]

The problem is I just modded you trying to argue that the traitor in animu was recruited night 3 or whatever instead of night 1 so you making completely nonsensical inferences about night actions does kinda read as scummy to me now, but I've kinda liked you for town since RVS so I don't like this feeling about you right now. There's no reason to think that we would gambit with a no kill night 1 when even if a doc is real that might not be the town's protective structure; instead it's just as likely to think there would be a roleblocker or a jailkeeper. The "doc enabler" doesn't do much since the game is flipless, and in any case if you think scum no kill to bait a doc save claim n1 from a rando... just no, dude. Either you think we're scum with Dann or you evaluate your read of us without that in mind. But the amount of bad logical leaps required for you to go down that little rabbit hole just really damaged my read of you lol

-Kat

Aight. Let’s mass claim then.

I’ll start. No surprises in this flipless game then.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m V. T.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, sure, but why do I do that so bluntly?

I do believe that doctor enabler claim.

DEB does not make that up. End of story, no arguments about it. He could have had scum coach him, or he could be legit scum doc enabler, but saying he comes up with it on his own isn’t a thing

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, I’m just town here. This is a flipless game.

And I don’t claim VT first as scum.

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Nor do i claim first

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It also benefits scum for people to think DEB is scum, when I feel it’s more likely he is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, I’m just town here. This is a flipless game.

And I don’t claim VT first as scum.

Nor do i claim first

isn't your thing that you

would

do that as scum

Where does it say that?

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree.

I’m ONLY that bad as town

[Flavor Leaf]

AA confscum

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Look at how they defend themselves

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They’re counterpushing rather than defending

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I feel like I’m being gaslighted, which probably means I’m being gaslighted.

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I’d just like to point out, I’ve never shot you any of your hydra early game

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Y’all keep pushing DEB’s claim was fake, but I am more than confident he wasn’t faking it.

I lived on that man’s couch!

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Like, if the main thing I do in my life is read people, and am intrigued with accurately reading people, DEB very much might be the person that I can read the best and most accurately, and know how he’d react in most situations, and my read on him is being shut down so hard which makes me feel scum very much want people to think DEB wasn’t a doctor enabler/was a scum using that as a fake claim.

If DEB is scum, he is a legit doc enabler OR someone actively coached him on what to claim.

If DEB is town, which is by far the more likely outcome, he is legit a town doc enabler.

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I disagree that it’s irrelevant because I feel it’s the most relavant to figuring out why this is the gamestate scum chose

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Relevant*

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This is me actively hunting because scum are changing and freezing the gamestate off of DEB’s claim.

I will, or already have with 1, find scum from this.

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Dannflor didn’t make the save, but scum want to make people think he did OR Dann’s gambiting, which isn’t completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it’s less likely.

I’d go 78-22% chances he is not gambiting, but that’s still decent odds.

AA

could

be town, but it wouldn’t be because they were protected.

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It hasn’t been just now.

I was calling and stating DEB was town literally since the start of his push. That’s the main thing I talked about Day 1.

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I’m actually not really thinking Dann is the scum, that’s not really part of this. He’s probably town.

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You’re also using every generic FL discredit technique in the game.

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That’s LITERALLY the MAIN point I’m bringing up.

I disagree you were the intended night kill because that implies Dann’s doctor shot worked, when I am damn near sure that it didn’t because DEB doesnt make that claim up.

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I don’t have a conclusion. It’s day 2 in a flipless game.

[Flavor Leaf]

They likely didn’t no kill.

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I still want that mass claim. I feel that’s the correct path in a game like this.

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Think about it this way, if we mass claim, we get confirmation that 7/9 of the roles are 100% in this game.

We need to not rely on mechanical stuff this game, and play the day play, and minimize any room for scum to mess with the game state.

Mass claim.

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I’d like to point it was removed prior to this conversation happening.

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I also feel like Binary HAS been doing stuff to be sorted. I’ve been staying i town read them for a bit.

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And yeah, Jjh pushed the exact opposite of what I was saying.

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I thought it was The Worst, and I was about to go after them

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve still stated that exact mindset, Chemist, haha.

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I don’t necessarily think AA is scum anymore, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve already stated I think DEB could be scum. Nothing’s changed.

If he is scum, he is a scum doc enabler or got hard coached.

If he is town he is a town doc enabler.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah. Zero chance.

He’d have claimed VT if he was VT.

[Flavor Leaf]

If anything he’d fake claim VT as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s why we should mass claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t see the point of not mass claiming in a flipless game here

[Flavor Leaf]

It only helps scum.

Sure, they get to choose what PR’s die, but whatever. We have a night’s worth of actions, we can use day play, and NEED to use dayplay, and need it all out here.

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I have a semi idea of who BS is, which makes me town read there pretty hard if i am correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

Took you long enough.

People say this kind of thing, but I actively try not to figure it out, but sometimes I just get slapped in the face with a realization

[Flavor Leaf]

I probably want to move off of AA, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Apparently that’s not the case because I’m town here and Jjh is Voting me.

[Flavor Leaf]

And i feel that’s also the case for townBoon

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What rubbish have they been spewing. They’re the most correct in this game that I’ve seen thus far

[Flavor Leaf]

Mass claim.

I’m VT

[Flavor Leaf]

oh, yeah, I don't think a no kill happened, but Dann's save isn't what stopped the kill. Not sure what did.

Y'all know how I can be sure?

MASS CLAIM

[Flavor Leaf]

i might vote Chick after the mass claim

[Flavor Leaf]

FL - VT
Dann - Doctor

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DEB - Doc Enabler

[Flavor Leaf]

Did Chickadee claim?

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Occam’s razor is DEB was just actually Doc Enabler and AA isn’t town actually, but I’m actually leaning away from that to have AA as town, trying too get themselves to be conf town wrongly, which is fine l, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m tryna do something.

Tryna get this mass out into a claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, I think scum’s lurking out hoping we tear each other apart, but that’s just causing us to town bloc because we talk it out amongst ourselves.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m probably not voting anywhere until we get more claims, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, they’re like conf town here

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I trust my read on that slightly more than i trust my DEB read.

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re all town that’s been posting, and if not, y’all gonna kill me soon before I figure that out, so

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, and you. Like I said. All town’s posting right now.

We need a mass claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Yep.

As soon as the people post, theycan claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Nice!

Yes, claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s anti town not to claim in a flipless game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will catch you two scum guaranteed if we mass claim, so only scum won’t be claiming.

[Flavor Leaf]

Egix is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dann, Egix, Binary, Flavor town block.

AA can hang out on the porch, but they’re being decently anti town and gives me the jonkie bonkies.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dann - doc
FL - V.T
Egix - resurrectionist
DEB - doc enabler

What was Chickadee?

[Flavor Leaf]

*whispers sensually into one’s ears* claim for me

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She can be the lynch today after mass claim, I’m fine with that, but we need to claim before deaths, or else we never get that information.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes. Because we lock everyone into claims for today, so no funny business after deaths. We get no Flips this game, which means zero info.

We get info out there.

I catch scum because I’ve been scum for so long, i got the blue balls equivalent of catching scum, so it’s gonna be a twofer.

[Flavor Leaf]

And we already have PR’s claimed, both of which are good to keep alive so mass claiming onl ypotentially protects them and if not, they’re gonna die anyways.

If you don’t think DEB was a Doc Enabler, then that means we have an active doctor in play as well, automatically meaning that any PR we want can be safe.

[Flavor Leaf]

Boom, toasted

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah.

We should definitely mass claim here.

Dayplay > all else

In this game

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We can out an ungated cop with a no result, or a disloyal FV.

Everything should just be out. Let’s day play this.

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@AA - I’m Not really keeping track of who’s who again, but I said that i was lean towning that slot.

And I disagree. You guys aren’t handling flipless well.

Just trust it, please

[Flavor Leaf]

I really think it’s the way to go, and I haven’t pushed for a mass claim like this in a while.

This used to be my thing with a chicken wing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t remember what lotv is either

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Oh.

I died super early therebecause my reads were near perf.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not scum reading you, idk why you keep saying that.

And i didn’t really do anything in YGM.

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Nah, DEB 100% doesn’t fake that claim. He could be that as scum, sure, but it wasn’t fake.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is a scum claim by Mastina.

I can soul read Deb. :shrug:

I don't have any defense, tbh. I'm just town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@AA - Save me. I'm town.

Scum's on me, probably Mastina, but I have a history of misreading her on occasion when she scum reads me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bear with me guys, I'm (probably badly) summarizing a lot of pages here.

FL looks like bad town, because of how stubborn and unwavering he is about DEB. I don't see scum motivation in sticking with his stance today. But it also hasn't brought forth a lot of new info. But it's also worth note, FL is hyper aware of things he would and would not do as scum, which pointing those out, is in itself scummy. Still, bad town.

FL, what are some non-DEB, non mass claim thoughts you have at the moment?

I think Pine, Dan, AA and FL are town. Pine came in first to soft claim a guilty on DEB, backed up by our claimed doctor. Makes me think Pine and Dan are on the same side.

I have none.

Shows I'm town.

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what's the soft guilty

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VOTE: FL

L-3

I think he’s pushing the agenda of PR!DEB with what he said early on about them being a PR or scum

This is scum with someone already on the wagon prior.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: AA

Oh, I was voting you.

Well, idk what to do here now tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

in no specific order in tiers

AA
BS
dann
egix

cheeky
buj

chickadee

mastina
chemist
pine
jjh

scum are 100% on that bottom tier

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina/JJH/Pine, replace one of them with some outside pocketed one, maybe Buj, and we have a solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

oh yeah, Chemist was really off with that vote, but that to me implied like a following his scum master, and he's just the apprentice, if that makes sense.

i think one of Jjh/mastina are lock scum, though, at least.

[Flavor Leaf]

jjh is town here with the way he's engaging

idk. I just bussed him in Krazy's game, and I think this could be scumjjh coming after townme

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm..idk if I like this Chemist thing. Makes me feel I'm being pocketed somewhere and that is the compromise mislynch.

I'll join it, though, I guess. He does come off as the scumprentice.

[Flavor Leaf]

jjh is town here with the way he's engaging

idk. I just bussed him in Krazy's game, and I think this could be scumjjh coming after townme

lol I was waiting for this exact discredit

baited him into say this. This is scum who wants to use my bus on him as a defense.

VOTE: Jjh

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sheep me

[Flavor Leaf]

this 1v1 is stupid as shit and needs to stop

~ Poison Ivy

maybe so, but that doesn't make JJh town.

[Flavor Leaf]

i know he's scum, and I can't give reasons for it. It's one of those things where he gets to go "doesn't matter if you know I'm scum if you can't get me lynched".

[Flavor Leaf]

I think you're forgetting that jjh will literally out himself as scum before the end of the game if he is legitimately scum

he's not hard to read.

~ Poison Ivy

just like he did in Krazy's?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mastina - if you're town here, you town read me when i was scum, and now you're scum reading me when I'm town. please see it

[Flavor Leaf]

FTR I've played with scum!FL 3 times (1 being offsite and 1 that just finished where I was scum too) and never played with town!FL so admittedly I'm lacking perspective but I'm trying to do away with meta on this read

If he's town, convince me of genuine town motivation backing his statements somewhere

Convince me of actually scum motivation for anything he’s doing here and don’t tell me that doesn’t matter. If he was actually scum here, it wouldn’t really be that hard to find. Quote a few posts of his from RS and I’ll tell you

exactly

the scum motivation he had in that post. You don’t need a building to fall on you to see what he was doing in that game with his actual “WIFOM”.

~H

he's using my previous meta to push a scum case on me whilst hiding behind that as a defense of our previous game and keeping us from mass claiming, which is entirely beneficial to town over scum here, and will continue to push that even in post game.

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i dont need to assert myself as town, people already see that I'm town, and I ask for players to please Slingshot me further so we can take down this here scumduck

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah ftr it's worth reading Krazy's anime upick to get a good idea of what my scumgame looks like atm when I have heaps of time

same

dis not it

i can link you games where I screamed for mass claims tho

guess what alignment i was

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Boon, you've had a very half-arsed stance on Chickadee

Elaborate on it for me

i have no major read on Chick.

scum me'd be able to bs stuff like that in an instant, town me's just truthful

[Flavor Leaf]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel when people fight the mass claim

[Flavor Leaf]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel when people fight the mass claim

I've been doing just fine without it???????

~ Poison Ivy

disagree. you still think jjh is town

[Flavor Leaf]

Saying things about your meta does not make me believe them

Things you are aware of in your meta don't help me place you

cool. your loss then :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

You haven't played with me without having knowledge of my alignment yet, boon

ive modded you before, and ive played with you a lot when I thought you were just some bk randy dandy

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn't be fighting a massclaim as scum because then I get to build a complete plan for how to get to endgame comfortably to maximize the potential abuse of the flipless system considering people seem to not be able to handle it

I'd bet town has methods of getting flip info and I'd bet anything they'd be dead before long if they were forced to claim

plus I never see towns play better when all the mechanical bs is on the table because... surprise surprise, people who are competent mechanical players can fake that type of play as scum very easily

it's a fucking waste and has very good odds of making things even worse for town, especially in a game where people are just going to latch on to it

~ Poison Ivy

disagree. Mass claim hurts scum here. it focuses all on day play, which is what we should be doing and not having to rely on PR's to solve games for us

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half of em, but i'm not gonna agree with that mind set because that's just not the kind of player I am. This is the point where I'd have everything out, not have to rely on any PR.

Sure, you could be pushing that you are some PR so you don't want to claim, but you're already a likely NK target if town, so might as well claim to see what we get out of it, and focus on day play effectively making this a mountainous game which is easily solvable.

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You haven't played with me without having knowledge of my alignment yet, boon

ive modded you before, and ive played with you a lot when I thought you were just some bk randy dandy

I think I only played in one game you modded and I don't think it was a particularly shining example of my towngame

Intrigued to know when else you've played with me but I'm guessing it was on alts

idont remember either, but i've been around over 5 years, and recognize your name and whatnot so

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nah chemist is town i feel it in my jellies

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i lived on that guy's couch.

im claiming soul read. i doubt he even knew what an enabler was prior, and he played it exactly like i thought he would have.

him and flippynips both are more likely to claim as scum and fight against claiming as town.

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im the closest thing we got to conf town

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Honestly if you can't tell that this isn't how I approach a game as scum then you just really don't know how to read me at all.

same to anyone scum reading me here ever

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mastina can be town.

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i think one of chick or chemist is probably scum.

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tbh I'm mostly just upset at this game because I've been trying to revive it all day and nobody is really biting

and then it gets undercut by random bs

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel with the mass claim business

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you basically stated because it gives scum info.

scum already have more info.

town needs the info. you're assessment is just wrong

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people are always so opposed to mass claiming, but thre comes a time when it benefits town knowing everything more, and this is one of those time.

lack of flips makes it so the gap between town and scum info is just that much larger.

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literally THE ONLY reason to massclaim on day two after a very probably scum lynch

is to keep the option of solving the game by mechanics open

there is literally no day play advantage to massclaiming because mechanics are a ~D I S T R A C T I O N~ to scumhunt with

~ Poison Ivy

hard disagree. town get the info in a flipless game where they dont get info anywhere else

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people are always so opposed to mass claiming, but thre comes a time when it benefits town knowing everything more, and this is one of those time. lack of flips makes it so the gap between town and scum info is just that much larger.

This is not one of those times.

If I thought massclaiming at this stage was beneficial, I'd be spearheading the charge.

It isn't.

So we don't.

disagree.

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scum just don't want it, along with mechanical based players, but there's a reason why my scum game walks over mechanical players.

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could easily unify if we mass claimed

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y'all the ones that be trollin.

im trying to catch scum

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VOTE: FL

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over it

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let me be one of the vengeful's and hopefully i can spite from the dead

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im killing AA when I go down

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i need a new mislynch on record anyways

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I know em both

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Buj is town.

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Hard town.

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UNVOTE: FL

I was done here but Egix and Bujaber brought me back

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Pine, Chemist, Cheeky, chicks?

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In there somewhere out there

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FL why aren't you voting?

Idk who scum is.

Binary Star is one of my higher town reads, and idk who pushing me is scum or just silly town

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I like Egix, and I’ve come around on AA.

Dann is likely town.

Mastina could be scum, but she played it in a way where I’m not really sure if it’s a scum move of her to vote me yet call me town.