Micro 878: Chain of Command [Game Over]

[Saudade]

I dont really care but the mod prodded me hmm

[Saudade]

Meh datisi will smack me when shes back and once again liz and ico will get away woth being such terrible scummars

[Iconeum]

Why is Liz slot scum?

[Saudade]

I went over it time and time again go read

[Saudade]

Tempted to self hammer

[Saudade]

Tempted to just end it all

[Iconeum]

VOTE: liz and jack
That's for voting and unvoting for no reason you random generator fluff machine

That's where it all started. Everything else came later, and you added as the game progressed. But it's a weak baseline...

Am I missing something?

[Iconeum]

Tempted to just end it all

Convince me to lynch Liz over you today?

[Saudade]

Yeah you are missing like 40 pages in between

[Saudade]

Tbh you are scum by poe too so I dont feel like dancing for you lol its pointless

[Iconeum]

Tbh you are scum by poe too so I dont feel like dancing for you lol its pointless

why the fuck would I claim JK and try to out the captain as scum?

[Saudade]

You and liz are hilarious

[Saudade]

Why would I as X do Y

[Iconeum]

It's so funny i'm literally dying here

[ChibiBear]

RedPanda replaces Persivul.

[RedPanda]

I'm at page 50 right now.

[RedPanda]

Full disclosure.

I was bored last night so I wanted to replace in and thought against it because I saw people suspecting my slot and I didn't want to replace into a maybe scumslot. (I don't like playing scum.)

I only decided to replace in after reading and hard townreading the persi slot. Until I came across daitisi captain claim, I was townreading iconeum saudade Aubrey lkj. I was townreading persi slot day1 and hard townreading persi slot after his vote on lkj slot on day2. I will explain reads in my next post. fmpov I thought scum was clearly voted and daitisi because of poe but when Daitisi claimed, I started hard townreading iconeum and daitisi. So obv one of my townreads is wrong and I still need to read the rest of the thread and start thinking about who is scum after analyzing why Blake was killed and why the doc is still alive.

[Datisi]

That slot got a replacement? Wow. Anyway, you wanna talk to me Sau?

[RedPanda]

Persi was a town read day 1 for obv reasons, I thought his L-1 vote on aubrey was trying to help him sort and I liked that he did not pour fire into the hard tunnel that Saud and LKj were doing to each other. The reason I hard townread Persi was because I understood why he wanted to policy the LKJ slot. I think persi townread the LKJ slot only because he thought scum nancy would not replace out because of principle and when you replaced back in, He was mad.

I'm hard townreading iconeum for wanting to lynch the captain because from his pov the orders didn't make sense and when the captain explained he backed off.

I think scumcaptain would have just send 1 pr to protect lt and he's consistent although I would have just put two protects on two other slots and forced a mafia to disobey or something. (I need to work this out.)

Although people here said saudade wasn't sorting, I found that he was sorting and until he started tunneling, my reads were exactly the same as his. And I think those reads come from a town mindset. I also like that he never pointed out those reads to show that he was sorting when he was called out.

My townread on aubrey was similar to all of yours. I thought the frustration was genuine.

My townread on LKJ was because of the replace out but I was getting annoyed day1 when LKJ kept saying saudade scumclaimed.

Although nothing was especially scummy from voted and I did slight townread him over daitisi, I felt his slot was prime suspect for killing blake because there was discord between the two heads of hydra when they were reading him and the timing of voteds post after blake said something bothered me.

[RedPanda]

I think in a scum!voted world, he did that to look like he's still trying to make plays or at least not seem passive.

I would need to double check the context to be sure but in a vacuum that makes sense.

-Blake

I think in a scum!voted world, he did that to look like he's still trying to make plays or at least not seem passive.

I would need to double check the context to be sure but in a vacuum that makes sense.

-Blake

The easier spots though would be to TR myself and Pers though.

Voted is known to make plays and take risks though, I wouldn't judge him as the type of scum to take the easy road out unless I saw strong evidence of it myself.

-Blake

I think in a scum!voted world, he did that to look like he's still trying to make plays or at least not seem passive.

I would need to double check the context to be sure but in a vacuum that makes sense.

-Blake

The easier spots though would be to TR myself and Pers though.

Voted is known to make plays and take risks though, I wouldn't judge him as the type of scum to take the easy road out unless I saw strong evidence of it myself.

-Blake

These are the posts that pinged me. It felt like voted tried to make blake second guess himself.

[RedPanda]

I will vote after reading the rest and then see If I can figure out something about the intentions of the nightkill and how scum could manoeuvre through the power roles and command structure and if the nightkill makes sense through that logic.

[RedPanda]

don't lynch saudade.

I think LKJ is scum. The slot will lynch saud today and try and get me or ice tomorrow for win. Unvote, I'd rather go for 1vs1 with LKJ than lose tomorrow.

[RedPanda]

I'm waiting for you guys to put liz at L-1 =D

When are you actually planning to do something useful in this game, instead of pushing mislynches on town?

I didnt push a mislynch on town but I sure did hammer one
For some reason everyone refused to lynch you yesterday, probably because you replaced out in anger with me thus buying you another day to live only for you to pop back in today

The reason why you are so obvious scum to me resides in your selr centeredness,
Questions like Why would I.....
If I were scum.....
Prove me that this is in MY meta....
Are all textbook scumplays and had the players in this game were more like skitter youd eat the rope pretty quick

saudade so town.

[RedPanda]

I decided to replace into this slot originally because I was scumreading Liz/Jack (so I could help them out); on learning we were town I decided not to post in thread, instead just discussing the game with Volxen in the background. However, this game isn't moving forward, and this gamestate only favors scum.

Persivul is scum

, and has a likely partner in Iconeum/Saudade. Datisi/Aubrey are likely town. Let's go through why.

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Spoiler: Meta

Persivul's Meta

: I've played against town!Persivul and alongside scum!Persivul before. His scumplay usually follows this pattern: Look like he's sorting, get townread, and then turn passive/push an agenda. As town, he continually sorts and tests various slots throughout; feel free to verify this with past games.

This game matches with his scum meta: Till around post 600, he's been appearing "sorty" and was townread. He then stops sorting people, and instead tunnels Liz. The shift in his play is apparent. The rest of his play is largely pushing for mislynches in scummy ways, as I'll explain later.

Spoiler: Scum Agenda

Scum Agenda

: We're town, and we're townreading Aubrey. The lack of NK within our slots isn't confusing - it's great scum play. Achieving a paranoia mislynch on the grounds that a PR would've eaten a NK is a convenient idea for scum, and is arguably better play if planned well. Persivul is highly competent as scum, and should know this.

Yet, he started the day voting Aubrey in 932 - we questioned it, and he shifted his vote in 960 citing it as a "reaction test". The reactions it elicited were: Voted joining the wagon, Iconeum asking the doc to claim his target (?), and us challenging that idea; and this resulted in him voting for us. Aubrey had 0 posts during that.

What did Persivul get out of the reaction test?

This was scum gauging if he could get a lynch on Aubrey; not "reaction testing". His vote on us in that context did not make much sense either, so he justified it with a weak Zeebu|Liz dichotomy and "policy". After this, he makes repeated attacks that one of us/Aubrey is "mechanically" scum while doing nothing else.

Spoiler: Explaining The Night Kill

The Night Kill

: His being a commander fits with the Blake&Weiss NK. The command structure win path wasn't open, so ensuring the other officers die isn't a a priority. He backed down when Datisi claimed Captain quickly, and asked her to use the JK on him with the doc on herself - so the night kill would go through. Blake townread him, yes; but it was not a townread that would've held. Blake has been able to catch scum!Persivul in the past before, and her read progression on him would be unpredictable from his PoV: For reference check CoC1. He got himself townread, then became passive, and Blake was quick to scumread him as D1 was ending. Killing Blake would also make a push on us

much

easier. Also, more importantly, it's suggestive that Blake scumread his partner.

You could argue that the same reasoning applies to us, but it doesn't - I don't think scum!Nancy ever gets townread by Blake and Weiss to begin with. From our PoV, even if we were scum, this was a read that was unlikely to reverse (as the basis for it was Nancy being out of her range). Killing the slot while also being scumread by most others is a terrible decision. Not killing the doctor and driving paranoia upon ourselves, is a bad decision. We would've simply killed the doctor and argued that scum's looking for a command line winpath.

Spoiler: Partner Spec And Other Reads

Persivul's Partner

: Likely Iconeum. A short list of what gives Iconeum scum/partner equity:
1. His D1 play - summarized by Blake in 875.
2. The Blake NK, who had him in her top 2 scumreads.
3. His D2 entry pushing the "one of the claims has to be scum".
4. His pushing for claims - I don't see why needing to know who Aubrey protected was so important, or what our role was, for example. Scum motivation here would be to have a better idea of how to approach the game - if he's scum he knows there's both a doctor and a jailkeep. Knowing who the captain is is important - if it's a mislynchable slot, lynch and get Persivul to take control. If it's a hard lynch, pocket them. Note that the only claim he didn't want out was Commander... and guess who the Commander is?
5. Persivul interactions: Can't find posts where he's trying to sort Persivul. Interestingly, after Blake derails the wagon on my slot D1, Persivul votes Iconeum. Blake follows, and Persivul changes his vote soon after to Zeebu on the basis of "re-reading ISOs this is worse". Persivul never bothers about Iconeum afterwards.

Aubrey, note that scum don't have daytalk. The "chiding" part of it is easily faked and also something I'd do with a scumbuddy if I was pursuing a common scum agenda to distance myself.

I can also see a universe with Persi/Saudade as the scumteam from how they approach each other. Persi keeps Saudade at null, says he's a good scum player in 627 and that he has to do a deeper meta dive; which he never follows through with. Saudade isn't contributing to this game - between his taunts to Blake and tunnel on us, he isn't saying much. Saudade does this as both alignments, so I'm not really sure. I strongly think we should lynch Persivul's slot first, and go into Icon/Saudade.

Voted's snark remarks aren't helping the game, but they're doing nothing to push an agenda either. Blake kill makes less sense when she's townreading both Persivul and Voted if Voted is his partner given both were townread. The simpler answer is that he's town.

Aubrey's town FMPOV (apart from his dayplay) because if he were scum and *not* with an officer, he'd probably pursue that winpath when he knew he was targeting Persivul - which means he'd night kill us, didn't happen. Don't see Aubrey+Persivul or Aubrey+Datisi scum teams.

- Kenneth (Auro)

Be honest, did you post this because you felt the Liz was illogical in her defense?. Saudade is 100% town from your pov because one of captain and power roles is def scum and if you are scumreading me, you should town read saud. This lynch on saud is something you should never ever accept.

[RedPanda]

I'm at page 56 and I'm still townreading ico and aubrey. Unless daitisi made a brilliant play, I'm 100% sure scum is LKJ and voted, So I'm willing to accept a 1 vs 1 with LKJ. If you guys suspect me lynch me and then lynch LKJ voted. stop going for saudade and waste a lynch. saud and me scum together makes no sense.