The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[Old Dogs]

Or target us with any other unimportant non-killing actions, it will allow us to take our very useful new night action

Hammering before Chick gets to post at all is annoying but also potentially pro town I guess

did anything happen with this then?

[ElevenThirty]

Or target us with any other unimportant non-killing actions, it will allow us to take our very useful new night action

Hammering before Chick gets to post at all is annoying but also potentially pro town I guess

did anything happen with this then?

No. I'll fullclaim if skitter and I agree later that the setup spec info is more useful than our role (or if we're L-1'd maybe), but for now I think our role is more useful unclaimed

I've already softed this part so I'll fully explain that we did receive a new role right around the same time chick was hammered. schadd dropped the role description in our hydra pt and I posted what I posted
We had previously been vt but it changed, like mastina claimed happened to her

-Irrel

[ElevenThirty]

lmao i misread - rhinox is basically just clear for who voted him
pisskop thinks toog has an incompatible wincon with town but is 3p. i dont think you can actually have a read like that

What did you think of my idea of a {someone who voted for rhinox, rhinox, wh4t} team? I don't think I've nailed the team there I just think it shows that rhinox could easily be scum unless multiple players pushing him were scum, which isn't yet confirmed. chickadee flipping town shows she didn't spew him town, and his play is pretty lackluster so far. I'm not sure I want to come for him like skitter does, but I don't see how he can be cleared here. Like any scum who were pushing him could easily have predicted chick would be the kill anyway, and distancing is a thing

Insofar as survivor wincon is anti-town I sorta agree with pisskop, though I don't think that's exactly what pisskop means

Katy you have experience with pisskop? What makes him scummier here?

-Irrel

[Old Dogs]

i mean i guess rhinox could be distanced or whatever but i really feel like scum are trying their hardest to not bus, and im assuming thats because of either absurdly small or large numbers, with honestly 3 or 4 scum hits the criteria for both :/

i have played 2 games with pisskop and i thought he shat town in both as town - i have no reason to think he's town this game :/

hes not playing like in the one scum game i followed but that was a multiball game and that team was like committed to open wolf svsing which was probably going to win them the game if it werent for panzer so it's probably not relevant

[Old Dogs]

survivor wincon is "anti town" the same way town self voting is anti town

it's not a scum wincon though, i interpreted pisskop saying it's a sk wincon which i dont think makes sense here

[ElevenThirty]

i mean i guess rhinox could be distanced or whatever but

i really feel like scum are trying their hardest to not bus, and im assuming thats because of either absurdly small or large numbers, with honestly 3 or 4 scum hits the criteria for both

none of this sentence makes any sense to me

rhinox was not in much danger yesterday - if the people on his wagon are scum, his alignment could be anything.
rhinox being the counterwagon to flipped town is scum indicative.
The bolded feels abosultely meaningless
Your townread on rhinox is not making any sense to me here. Can you give me a townread on rhinox based on play? I don't understand how you could be so reliant on vca telling you his wagon was all scum when the other wagon was on town and reached a lynch

-Irrel

[ElevenThirty]

pisskop why are you voting off wagon?

-Irrel

[ElevenThirty]

skitter and I have agreed to also reiterate about our role for clarity that our role only works if we are targeted by something other than a killing action, which is why we asked to be targeted by the fruit vendor. Mastina I'm very curious why you fruit vended YVG

-Irrel

[ElevenThirty]

btw irrel I didn't answer because idr

~ Pichu

Now that you've come up with a few different reasons let's go back to what you said originally, before I asked you about it:

Insomnia I hope you realize that tryhardBlake and trollingBlake are very different and you'd be able to tell when I switch between the two

The hammer was partly trolly partly getustothenextdayffs

~ Pichu

So why did you feel the need to getustothenextdayffs? I thought yesterday could have been like 20x more useful than it was because the day was cut short by your quickhammer (not least because we might not have mislynched, but even then). What made you feel like D2 desperately needed to end?

-Irrel

[Old Dogs]

i cant honestly townread rhinox off play, no. im desperate enough for townreads i'll take whatever i can get and i feel like his slot has more town equity than like, anyone else besides who i mentioned

if the scumteam is small for the playercount bussing means losing faster. if the scumteam is large for the playercount bussing means not winning faster. with the amount of third party i think tactically speaking scum are going to try to avoid having to bus and will prefer to bloc with each other or just not let anyone organize unless it's on a ml

in the offsite game i linked that was basically the gamestate my team worked to enforce because we had an extra night kill we were saving for lylo to instantly win. i distanced from one buddy but it was really toeing a line because if he actually got lynched the game became a shitton harder.

like, i *guess* rhinox could be distanced from if we're both town? but right now i'd rather find the distancer and have a reason to townread him off play or scumread him

[Old Dogs]

for the record if creature keeps avoiding the game we're following insomnia and lynching him

[ElevenThirty]

I understand how bussing works, and why scum don't want scum lynched
I don't think anything that happened re:rhinox is a true bus, though. Voting a teammate is just distancing. Only one player ended the day on rhinox

Vote count 1.b

Vorkuta (8):

ElevenThirty, YAYVIDEOGAMES, Old Dogs, Toogeloo,

Chickadee

, pisskop, zeebu, Rhinox

Chickadee

(4):

The Three Musketeers, insomnia, Vorkuta,

Voted

Voted (1):

ZZZX

[Creature]

The Three Musketeers

(1):

Wh4t

not voting (1):

mastina

with 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

d2 final vote count

Chickadee

(7):

Old Dogs,

insomnia

, Voted, Toogeloo, ElevenThirty, zeebu, YAYVIDEOGAMES

Rhinox (1):

pisskop

YAYVIDEOGAMES (1):

Wh4t

not voting (4):

mastina,

Chickadee

, Rhinox, Creature

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I don't see why YVG or Pisskop couldn't be rhinox's partner here

My problem isn't that you don't want to prioritize a lynch on rhinox today, it's that "rhinox is clear" is, by your own admission, entirely based on pre-flip associations. Surely you can see why I would suspect you for suggesting "let's not lynch rhinox, let's lynch his busser" when if you and rhinox are both scum I've got a miniscule chance of hitting scum outside of you both.

You're describing a nullread, and then calling it clear. What am I missing?

-Irrel

[ElevenThirty]

I'm heading out for lunch soon but

HEY EVERYONE: get in here and play please

especially quiet, unsortable slots like

mastina, wh4t, rhinox, zeebu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

why didn't I get called out

~ Pichu

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I just wanted the three outside slots back in and I thought that it was still likely that it was just time gated

~ Pichu

[Old Dogs]

You're describing a nullread, and then calling it clear. What am I missing?

it's a townread that isn't based off of play?

if insomnia didnt object to him being wagonned i think he could have been chickadee's cw

[ElevenThirty]

Right
and chickadee was town
rhinox was the counterwagon to town
why isn't that scum indicative for rhinox?

[ElevenThirty]

I just wanted the three outside slots back in and I thought that it was still likely that it was just time gated

~ Pichu

I also thought this

The above post and this one are -Irrel

[Old Dogs]

Right
and chickadee was town
rhinox was the counterwagon to town
why isn't that scum indicative for rhinox?

chickadee was also a cw to town? and fmpov the people who arent 3p claims who voted chickadee are people who were pushing rhinox...?

based on the fact that people are open to scumreading me now i dont think scum feel that they *need* to distance so i dont see why they do in this gamestate

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I've been up for 7 hours and eaten essentially nothing in that tmie

I think that's why I'm not following anything of what you guys are saying rn

~ Pichu

[ElevenThirty]

I claim conspiracy

good game everyone, the fake AF insomnia flip gave it away, sorry I saw through it but it was well played, you really had me and skitter thinking this was a real game of mafia for awhile

-Irrel

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

what

[Old Dogs]

the fake AF insomnia flip gave it away

??

Insomnia shat town what

[YAYVIDEOGAMES]

I think irrel's mental state has degraded from this game

[Old Dogs]

I mean so have i im woating this game because this is how badly i play without stable townreads