Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Klick]

Very happy with what I see from Pine's overnight post. Pine isn't on the scumteam that killed Tim last night.

RP what do you think of this?

[RedPanda]

The post about tim dp etc.. is not alignment indicative for me.

His reads are fine which is why I'm reconsidering pine.

[Klick]

I can see how you might think the Gamma case was him conf-biasing, but what about his case on Cinnamon? I'm basically interested in your evaluation of his cases separately

So the crux of Menalque's case on Cinnamon on the 6th seems to focus on the fact that Cinnamon's behavior this game doesn't match with what he's seen of town!Cinnamon before. Specifically, most of Menalque's points seem to address the fact that Cinnamon has less rigor in his gameplay/seems lazier than he normally does as town.

I think most of this is NAI. Cinnamon was pretty obviously going through something IRL while playing this game based on his last few posts. That would sufficiently explain a change in behavior from active to passive and address almost everything in Menalque's case on him.

[RedPanda]

If gamma flips town I would lynch EP.
If gamma flips scum I would prob lynch pine.

[Klick]

why tf is Pine doing a catchup without reading the flip first? who does that?

why would you ask someone to catchup without reading the flips...?

He says he wrote it last night. So it was less 'catchup without reading the flips' and more 'post the thoughts you have, even though they're not current'.

[Klick]

I don't think I'm happy with a Gamma lynch anymore today.

[RedPanda]

What? do you really think gamma shut down as town?

[Klick]

VOTE: ofrhz

His posts today have felt particularly 'empty'.

[Klick]

Can you quote what exactly you mean by 'shut down'? Because I'm not seeing it.

[RedPanda]

When pink ball did it I gutread him as town. I did not expect that you would think gamma wasn't scum.

[RedPanda]

Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.

It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.

you were put at L-1 once before. You were put at L-2 for a while. Tell me, what would be your read on someone who does not game solve and stays quiet in that position?

[EspressoPatronum]

@RP can you walk me through your EP/Pine dichotomy?

[Gamma Emerald]

I know pine and Ep are not in same team so I lynch between them depending on how pine posts.

Expand on this?
Btw I'm back to considering you town but now it's based on your logic rather than assumptions I've made

[Klick]

RP, I think that's a valid criticism of your push on Gamma. You're tunneling and I don't think you'll ever read him as not-scum. And I wasn't persuaded by your initial reasoning against him.

[RedPanda]

In post 635, Pine wrote:
Hmmm

That reaction looks a good bit saltier than is justified


In post 636, Gamma Emerald wrote:
More sass than salt imo


In post 637, Pine wrote:
I calls em like I sees em


In post 638, Gamma Emerald wrote:
K

This interaction gutpinged me as scum/scum.

It felt like pine calling out gamma and then gamma answering back. That alone wouldn't have pinged me but Pine third post was like scum justifying himself and scum gamma accepting it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.

It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.

you were put at L-1 once before. You were put at L-2 for a while. Tell me, what would be your read on someone who does not game solve and stays quiet in that position?

Town or scum, I've shut down as town before.
Now if you want me to change my mind on you, answer what you think about the possibility of EP or Chemist being scum?

Can you point me to those games? Because that is a foreign concept to me. I would get mad if I was mislynched as town and there is a difference between the way you were towards me when you entered and now.

I'll try but I've probably played over 100 games here. So it would take a while most likely.

[RedPanda]

If my gut read on Gamma is wrong then I I have rethink my gutreads and since EP is still in my scumpool, I think it's a good lynch.
If my gut read on gamma is good, Then I'm gonna trust it till I'm wrong.

[RedPanda]

RP, I think that's a valid criticism of your push on Gamma. You're tunneling and I don't think you'll ever read him as not-scum. And I wasn't persuaded by your initial reasoning against him.

I don't know gamma doesn't seem to be a newbie or a bad player to me. If I was being mislynched I would make sure everyone knew it.

[Klick]

I read the post in question as Gamma being demotivated because he felt he was feeling ignored.

[RedPanda]

I know pine and Ep are not in same team so I lynch between them depending on how pine posts.

Expand on this?
Btw I'm back to considering you town but now it's based on your logic rather than assumptions I've made

When Pine townread Ep for a post, it pinged me that It's either pine town or pine scum townreading town EP. I'm poeing EP if pine is town.

[RedPanda]

I read the post in question as Gamma being demotivated because he felt he was feeling ignored.

I'm playing after 6 years so I don't know what happened to the site. But I don't know ever remember strong players shutting down even if they were being ignored. I was confident before and now I'm not so I'm willing to follow your lead if you have the guts to take responsibility after the game ends. I just need to know If you're confident gamma is town.

[EspressoPatronum]

If my gut read on Gamma is wrong then I I have rethink my gutreads and since EP is still in my scumpool, I think it's a good lynch.
If my gut read on gamma is good, Then I'm gonna trust it till I'm wrong.

I know pine and Ep are not in same team so I lynch between them depending on how pine posts.

Expand on this?
Btw I'm back to considering you town but now it's based on your logic rather than assumptions I've made

When Pine townread Ep for a post, it pinged me that It's either pine town or pine scum townreading town EP. I'm poeing EP if pine is town.

So you think I'm scum if Gamma or Pine flips town?

[EspressoPatronum]

Fwiw, my read on Pine from D1 and his catchup post is town. I doubt that will change once he's fully caught up.

[RedPanda]

If my gut read on Gamma is wrong then I I have rethink my gutreads and since EP is still in my scumpool, I think it's a good lynch.
If my gut read on gamma is good, Then I'm gonna trust it till I'm wrong.

I know pine and Ep are not in same team so I lynch between them depending on how pine posts.

Expand on this?
Btw I'm back to considering you town but now it's based on your logic rather than assumptions I've made

When Pine townread Ep for a post, it pinged me that It's either pine town or pine scum townreading town EP. I'm poeing EP if pine is town.

So you think I'm scum if Gamma or Pine flips town?

I'm not townreading you and I would if gamma and pine flip scum.

[EspressoPatronum]

3 is the main thing I noticed, but 1 and 2 are worth looking into as well

And you're not satisfied with 1426, right?

In your opinion, what do we do on D3 if:
1. We lynch you and you're town;
2. We lynch you and you're scum;
3. We lynch Chemist and he's town;
4. We lynch Chemist and he's scum.

My thoughts:

Spoiler:

If scenario #3 or #4, there's a high likelihood that you and Mena are still up for discussion tomorrow.*

If scenario #2, Mena gets a pseudo-townclear.

If scenario #1, I'm not sure tbh. I think Mena is town either way, but I don't know how the others would interpret it.

* Unless you convince Mena that you're town. In that case, you solve the problem of #3 and #4.

I'm going to ignore 2 as fmpov it's not possible.
1: poke at Menalque but do not lynch him without serious consideration of others. Assuming a standard scumteam suze he'd be 1/3 of the scum even if he is scum, so he'd have partners.
3: I'd expect to get seriously FOSed for swaying lynch onto Chemist.
4: Take the scumflip into account and partner hunt hardcore.

Thanks for this. Fair point on #2 - I was going to exclude it, but I figured I'd put it in for the sake of being thorough. What does FOS mean btw?

Can I get a recap on what made you suspect me?

Tbh, my read on you personally was town. I had a scumread on Cinnamon before you came in.

Menalque's case against you brought me back around to my scumread on Cinnamon (/your slot).