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[DeasVail]

that was pretty slick

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Otter

My preference order has changed!

[nomnomnom]

Nom why did you stop scumreading Jesus?

I never said anything about my jesus read.

I just think you're more likely to be scum from how you acted.

[popsofctown]

How is the SK confirmed? I read and still don't really buy it.
We had an even night Vig, why couldn't we have an odd nigjt night as well?

scum alignment cop.

[Kublai Khan]

KK does your analysis above make you think we should massclaim today or tomorrow?

Tomorrow probably.

I'll drop a nugget of info though. I have an informed role and I know who the other vig is.

So given that I can see no SK kills over the first 3 nights. I'm gonna squelch the idea that there is an SK and I guess confirm that it must be a traitor.

[Kirari Momobami]

You're informed? why would you not want to claim that today... Or, idk, days ago?

[Kublai Khan]

There wasn't a pressing need. The only reason I'm bringing it up today is to kill the SK talk.

[nomnomnom]

I don't believe that one second.

[Kirari Momobami]

There wasn't a pressing need. The only reason I'm bringing it up today is to kill the SK talk.

You know how informed works right? It gets redacted from your flip. so you're saying you have a mech inno you don't want to claim that we then won't have tomorrow if you die tonight?

[Kirari Momobami]

what night were you informed? N0?

[nomnomnom]

Also if that's true why don't you literally claim who the other vig is so we can either have two townies confirmed or force you to make your partner claim if you are scum and thought it was a good idea to do this

[Kublai Khan]

what night were you informed? N0?

From N0 on. I understand that it wouldn't come out in my flip, but I weighed that against them being a powerrole and targeted early.

[Kirari Momobami]

What sort of dumbass vig shoots roster though? Like I can't get past that being a vig shot. eyes I could see though I this ught the mech was ?

If it is traitor then that's kinda important because we need to flip our logic, the "not s/s" interactions then could be signaling to the scumteam which means the people I've been writing off as "not groupscum" would need reconsideration

Still I don't see why you would say you're informed today and not claim the info

[popsofctown]

I feel like KK probably ruptured the balloon enough that it's gonna be best for the town to go massclaim?

The game is probably balanced around killpower and not investigatives so I doubt there's much left to lose at this point. KK maybe outed part of the only pseudo-investigative we have

[Kublai Khan]

Still I don't see why you would say you're informed today and not claim the info

I mean, if the confirmed town gets voted up, then I'd say something. No need to say any more.

I'm confirming the game has two alternating night vigs.

[popsofctown]

so the scum cop is for traitor

or for the scum to discover for themselves whether the vigs are SKs or not and the answer is "not"

the latter seems like kind of a silly design because I don't think mafia play very differently against vigs and sks, they're similar threats

[Kirari Momobami]

I mean I guess if it is an odd vig I shouldn't insult them too much since they would then be the same vig that got Creature? So nice job there I guess

I think actually our main principle would still apply? Traitor isn't recruitable so even though I would need to re-evaluate my "not groupscum candidates" to "traitor possible" candidates, traitor can't do the nightkill so we still want to aim for the main faction scum I think? Unless we were really sure who the traitor was. And while I would maybe lean nom over Vork, I'm not nearly so confident there that I would lynch over Otter who I still think has best chance of being main faction

So this maybe doesn't mess with today's lynch logic as much as I thought it would, although it does mean there's even less reason to SK hunt... if there isn't one LOL

I think {Vork, nom} springs to mind as a readily apparent traitor pool though; Jesus is also a bit more possible then since then his "let's lynch pisskop tomorrow" really wasn't coming from the person who killed pisskop but he also wasn't overruled in the PT.

Town: Nero, pops, KK, ofrhz

Traitor pool: {nom, Vork, Jesus}

Main faction pool: {LO, DV} with preference for LO right now.

[popsofctown]

why is ofrhz town?

[Kirari Momobami]

Kinda like her tone. I guess I thought the "save RedFlavor" thing was more likely to come from town than an ally although I guess? that could be traitor signaling on retrospect. Mostly though she just feels townie to me. If I'm wrong on her being town I think I'd move her into the traitor pool not the main faction pool anyway.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: KK
I am not unvoting until he claims his role and information.

[popsofctown]

nom
stop doing scummy things

[Kirari Momobami]

I mean you're welcome to press for info but I ran every scenario I could think of and the only one where he's scum is if he's claiming vig himself and has to backpedal the "informed" part. Otherwise he just sets someone up to get shot by a real vig/sk, which kinda precludes an s/s gambit unless scum literally have three night 4 commuters LOL

[popsofctown]

I think scum probably does have 3 night 4 commuters. They have diminishing returns cause somebody's gotta go do the kill. It's a cute design.

[popsofctown]

I wish this game had flavor

[nomnomnom]

I mean you're welcome to press for info but I ran every scenario I could think of and the only one where he's scum is if he's claiming vig himself and has to backpedal the "informed" part. Otherwise he just sets someone up to get shot by a real vig/sk, which kinda precludes an s/s gambit unless scum literally have three night 4 commuters LOL

Or he could be SK and this is his way of deflecting the conversation.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Just claim your info and move on if you're going to do this.

[nomnomnom]

I just hate when people do this, it's selfish and it serves no purpose
I'm probably being irrational about it but urgh.,..