Starry Night [Game Over]

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Am I cute?

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That's not bad. owo

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I feel like Kagami is going to get Gaiden now. Fuck.

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Is scum always going to be a 1:2 or 2:1? Or can it be 3:0 or 0:3?

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Yes, this is my first dance. I'm still getting used to this setup.

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OkaPoka + MariaR
unwnd + lupin007
Dunnstral + Alisae
Firebringer + Shiro
SXTLHGaiden + Gamma
DeasVail + Ceph (ugh jealous)
Oversoul + Kagami
Ankamius + pops




Bitmap + cricket

looks like my job is done here

I don't like you.

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We should all take those relationship compatibility tests online and form pairs from that.

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Petition to have Oversoul leave and have 2 ladies dance with each other.

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Is scum always going to be a 1:2 or 2:1? Or can it be 3:0 or 0:3?

this question seems like a question someone would ask to look busy, it seems obvious to me at least that aetis would say so specifically if all mafia couldnt be one gender

I legitimately have never played a dance setup so if you're trying to grasp straws on this, try again.

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bitmap why is everything that you're posting of absolutely zero use in terms of trying to find mafia?

Page 3.

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I literally don't care what I say as town as long as I get carried.

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Who is Aetis?

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Yeah, it was discussed that it was possible.

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10/10

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Bitmap do you agree to our arranged marriage?
I should warn you that my father is going to charge you many goats for me. It's just that I'm high class.

If FG allows gay marriage, sure.

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its 2019 Bitmap

Yes

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I remembered you /inned as gentleman at first so I assumed oversoul put a valid pairing
whimsicott stop trolling me

Honey, we'll just call FG a bigot if he doesn't let us both dance.

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What community in the US has local dances?

meetup.com

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I'm bad at asking people out. So that's why I picked lady.

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the two ladies that i currently like least are bitmap and cephrir.

i am not quite sure what sets them apart from the rest of the list besides intuition, but that is where i am at.

yeah well i don't like your face

it looks like a pokemon

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tbh i dont like my posts either they're pretty shit

Don't say that. You're a strong beautiful independent lady who needs no man.

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tbh i dont like my posts either they're pretty shit

Don't say that. You're a strong beautiful independent lady who needs no man.

but what if he sweeps me off my feet like an absolute fox

then you found a keeper

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I have townread on Ank. Not sure on everyone else though. No one really stood out as blatant scum. Oversoul and Ceph maybe?

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Ask popsofctown to Dance

bold

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Putting unwnd on my scum list as well.

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Idk how I feel about this many townreads so fast

who are ur town reads?

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lupin, just want to inform you that crypto is banned in mafia games here.

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lupin, just want to inform you that crypto is banned in mafia games here.

I think crypto got temp banned a couple times but he was never permabanned

Sorry, I mean cryptogrophy is banned here.

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lupin is probably town... i think?

i don't think what i was doing counts as cryptography, do you disagree bitmap?

You mentioned being cryptic and you're new on the site so.... yeah.

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If you are a lady that has above average reads and a consistent level activity please give me flirty eyes

I have below average reads with hyper activity.

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Bitmap scum

confirmed

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im kind of shy, looking for someone to lead

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GE gives me town vibes.

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I will get to this tomorrow.

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Doing catchup.

Bitmap is a lady right? Leave them out for now until I see a better lady to leave out.

Why? You make this argument but have no backup for it.

Because cephirs iso is 100% filler and useless. He asked a question on players not posting that would always result in just empty filler noise and the thing about Kagami can easily be faked. The posts they've made are simply bad.

But immediately gets a dance request from DV? Isn't that kind of odd tbh?

hi dunn~

Hi

I'm townreading Bitmap and might send an invitation there

uwu

I've found that scum tend to have to go to greater lengths to keep their game afloat when they are forced to be proactive than when they are directly pushed to the defensive

I can see that very much in this setup.

Cephrir feels like town to me, what am I missing?

What I notice from him is that he is quickly dismissive of his own decisions, there's a lot of interactions where I feel like he's going to lead with something or have a purpose to get involved and then he just handwaves it. I tried to get him to open up about Bitmap and I didn't really get anything out of it. You'd think with the amount he's posting his direction would be more clear, but it's really not.

I understand it's pre-game but he seems pretty intent on actually trying to play Mafia but then halfway he goes back to a more lax attitude which is lol

Yes. Less pressure on me to over-perform. There's nothing wrong with just joking around here and there.

I'm not sure why unwnd is posturing over me so much but it's kind of weird that he's arguing so much about it.

~page 20

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I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong on lupin being town

Not sure on lupin being town. Are strong reads on RVS stage scum leaning or town?

Na Lupin is town. They're even more obv town because of how they interacted around scum bitmap.

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I think MariaR shading the person I've shown an interest in partnering with is scum motivated rather than a coincidence

This is is an invalid argument considering I was scumreading Bitmap before you even started showing interest.

I forgot about that, I guess you are right. Why are they scum?

Dunn is possibly town. Cause strong reads with no immediate reasoning is kind of bad.

Which reminds me, Oka is probably town for having mostly null reads.

I'm kinda scumreading dunn

Why? You think scum would be more inclined to having null reads as a tell?

Creature entrance seems kind of town, kind of shit.

I still think MariaR might be scum. Really no argument against me.

unwnd's list is shit.

~page 31

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@Bitmap early you stated you wanted to be carried, why? Do you not trust your own abilities?

I picked Lady because my scumhunting skills are shit (and thought it'd be fun). Sometimes I'll have good reads but I'm really bad at pushing them. My mafia play is significantly better.

I'm looking for a gentleman to help me refine my reads better and help me push any good reads I have. Basically I want to help as a supplement.

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Please do not take 1016 to be indicative of my town or scum play though. It's more just brutal honesty and I wouldn't find it offensive if I got left out as a result.

Anyways, back to catching up.

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lupin scumhunted, then started goofing off

Scum goof off, then start scumhunting

With air quotes on the scumhunting of course

I disagree that it's alignment indicative. Although I'm inclined to believe the lupin slot is probably town based on the way they posted.

It's a little gross but I think it's really town-indicative replace out timing.
It's the timing of like "oh if I stay in this game I'm gonna have to solve it at some point look at how this is Y time investment instead of X time investment actually".
I doubt long term it's better to read Creature based on his predecessor though he's not a lurker

I'm not understanding why it's more likely for them to have replaced out as town than scum

It sort of feels like a town replacement.

Alisae's entrance feels like gut town.

Is Oversoul scum?

That's one reason I found the Gaiden+Kagami pairing annoying since I know for a fact I'll never be able to properly read gaiden this game but that's more bad luck in who the IC was more than anything

It's also one reason I think that both OkaPoka and Oversoul both trying to pair themselves with creature is scummy as shit, because the way creature started this game is enough for scum to be able to deduce that he will be obvtown before the end of predance and having obvtown as a partner is fantastic for scum

That's one reason I found the Gaiden+Kagami pairing annoying since I know for a fact I'll never be able to properly read gaiden this game but that's more bad luck in who the IC was more than anything

It's also one reason I think that both OkaPoka and Oversoul both trying to pair themselves with creature is scummy as shit, because the way creature started this game is enough for scum to be able to deduce that he will be obvtown before the end of predance and having obvtown as a partner is fantastic for scum

I think the pairing was based on personality, not reads. It's kind of annoying because we don't really have a good read on Gaiden yet but he's paired up with the IC lady.

~caught up

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@Bitmap early you stated you wanted to be carried, why? Do you not trust your own abilities?

I picked Lady because my scumhunting skills are shit (and thought it'd be fun). Sometimes I'll have good reads but I'm really bad at pushing them. My mafia play is significantly better.

I'm looking for a gentleman to help me refine my reads better and help me push any good reads I have. Basically I want to help as a supplement.

I thought u were a shit poster.

u have disappointed me

Not when my town win ratio is piss poor.

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@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

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@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

I may not be dunn
but I have an answer for you
and its one you are probably not going to like

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If your reads aren't confident then why are you pretending they are

I'm challenging you on this. Where did I protrude my reads to be confident?

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If your reads aren't confident then why are you pretending they are

I'm challenging you on this. Where did I protrude my reads to be confident?

Why are my reads bad when you state yourself that you have no confidence on your own. How are you supposed to know they're shit?

That doesn't answer my question. You're literally pulling the same shit that Mariar did.

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protrude

Your tone, usage of expletives. When people try to explain themselves, they account in the way their arguments are represented. When I read your posts the tone of you saying things like 'oh this is shit' or 'oh this is that way' does not match with someone who also comments that their town win-rate is piss poor. Players who are indecisive I feel usually are not ones to take first glance of something and then say 'its shit' or have some de-facto read on it.

it's shit cause im town

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protrude

Your tone, usage of expletives. When people try to explain themselves, they account in the way their arguments are represented. When I read your posts the tone of you saying things like 'oh this is shit' or 'oh this is that way' does not match with someone who also comments that their town win-rate is piss poor. Players who are indecisive I feel usually are not ones to take first glance of something and then say 'its shit' or have some de-facto read on it.

it's shit cause im town

Then wouldn't your read on me (or the reads I have) be wrong if you are self-assured of this?

How so?

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OK let me preface this in a different way: Why did your tone shift when it came to addressing your reads

I don't really focus on tonality as town.

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I think Bitmap's town btw.

I dont

I do

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I think Bitmap's town btw.

I dont

I do

why?

my role dm

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OK let me preface this in a different way: Why did your tone shift when it came to addressing your reads

I don't really focus on tonality as town.

Without this becoming circular logic, I just wanna understand if that's true why you took a more aggressive stance. I mean, you did this with some kinda purpose yeah? I know when I swear or seem !! angry !! I'm doing it with the intent to seem that way.

I don't even think that stance was aggressive.

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my role dm

that sounds like hacking.

Ironic since I actually have "hacked" this site to help the site admins fix vulnerabilities.

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my role dm

that sounds like hacking.

Ironic since I actually have "hacked" this site to help the site admins fix vulnerabilities.

I admire the banter but I really don't think ur town here. What do u think is outside ur scum capabilities right now?

nothing lol, i mean you do have a point

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Maybe this game is easier than we're thinking and scum are probably a bunch of low hanging fruits.

First flip will just make this easier in general.

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tbh i wish i was high right now

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@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

Do you want to pair with me because I said I was townreading you?

I'm pretty much dead if you don't. And you're like one of the few people who actually scum-lean on Mariar.

Up to you though.

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Spoiler: 3

{Dunn, Cephir}
{Fire}
{unwnd, Oka}
{Everyone Else}
{Oversoul, Shiro, Creature, Pops}
{Gamma Emerald, Ank}

Alisae getting left out would be great for my own personal reads at this point.

u didnt like me in gameshow either

u n rc were like the only ones who thought i was the scum in the bef/oka pairing

i was a bit insulted

Bad very weird reaction that I doubt Oka believes

I'll likely just ask MariaR at some point if she starts getting these paranoia reads too, even if it's for no other reason than to contain the damage

I'm already not liking these pairings enough that I'm not convinced it's a better idea to try to play through these scumreads and try to push town to win instead of looking to minimize the damage so that my alignment isn't a distraction

Dang and here I thought you asked me because you thought I was towny.

Dance with me creature

Not bad

Gentlemen
unwnd
Gaiden(Think he either dies as scum here with the IC or is just town. Basically resolves himself)

Dunnstral
Oversoul
Ankamius
DeasVail
Firebringer
OkaPoka

Ladies
Kagami
Shiro
Cephrir
Popsofctown
Creature
Alisae
MariaR
Gamma Emerald
Creature
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Where my head is at right now. I think I made preemptive judgment on Ank/Ceph and I feel like for Ceph the comment Alisae made about Ceph probably holds more weight than me judging him on a playstyle basis. With Ank I've changed my mind just based on the fact their reads seem to be syncing up with mine. I ISO'd Bitmap on my own time and found absolutely nothing to like about him lol

Your reads seem pretty...interesting and not in a good way, but let’s talk about Shiro and Cephir.

Gonna be honest just like an actual dance I tire out too easily and I want my mommy to come pick me up

Next appearance I make based on what Maria says is either me asking her or asking Shiro. I'm tired of hearing my own voice

Interesting considering you asked me anyway. Why?

Why? You make this argument but have no backup for it.

Because it was my 2nd post and I didn’t feel like making one.

I would respond to the rest of Bits stuff but if I need to say why they’re scum people need help and I know I won’t get killed over Bitmap so.

@Dunn: Are you going to protect your lady that you town-read by asking them out or you going to let Mariar get away with a bullshit scum read on me that

A) Had no substance
B) Then had the audacity to not even explain their reads when you asked them but instead asked why you townread me

?

^Hint if anyone needs help with how manipulative this is

hi how can i make u more paranoid
i wanna do it for the funnies

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I would respond to the rest of Bits stuff but if I need to say why they’re scum people need help and I know I won’t get killed over Bitmap so.

Going for D1 lynchbait isn't scum hunting.

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I would respond to the rest of Bits stuff but if I need to say why they’re scum people need help and I know I won’t get killed over Bitmap so.

Going for D1 lynchbait isn't scum hunting.

Just because a slot is 'lynchbait' (lol on calling yourself lynchbait btw) doesn't mean they can't get a scum role pm.

You literally said in your opening post "lets exclude bitmap" for absolutely no reason.

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Is it optimal to have a bunch of people not pair?

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politician answer would be a non-answer

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Actually maybe there's more to Oversoul's rep out

Can you elaborate?

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I’m not accepting any proposals if I don’t get invited by Dunn I’m not incredibly thrilled by any of the other gents I would have to pick from

I'm joining you on this.

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r u town?

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yes bby

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I take it back, I'm open to all gents except unwnd.

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Hi Creature, I hope you find a strong responsible man to take care of you.

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I feel like scum already got partners and am tempted to treat all ladies in this pool as town.

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Hi Creature, I hope you find a strong responsible man to take care of you.

Who said I am looking for a man?

Dance with me.

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Hi Creature, I hope you find a strong responsible man to take care of you.

Who said I am looking for a man?

Dance with me.

Do you want to dance with me?

Yes, I accept

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brb going to a list mod

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Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

This is a joke right?

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I feel like scum already got partners and am tempted to treat all ladies in this pool as town.

Who should we leave out of the dance?

I think it should be up to the gents to decide. I don't like the collective decision idea. Every lady should try their best to get a suitor.

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GR is probably a town slot based on how he handled his reads from a gut perspective. I feel like scum replacement would be extremely careful instead of this careless.

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I feel like most partners were picked based on compatibility, not just townread.

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Ok well fuck me I guess

My only option to live is probably with pops, I dunno about creature being town and Ali is better off not figuring out who I am despite me laughing

I have the intelligence of a brick wall

Will you go to the dance with me?

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I'm going to defend GR over here a bit. Kagami has done nothing remotely town worthy except get confirmed town by the mod. Kagami also wasted the opportunity to pair up with a player who is a very high town read by a majority of players here.

There I said it. I expect backlash from this.

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Legalize it imo

3 way dance between me, Creature, and Alisae?

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Do I know you unwnd?

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My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

Maybe it's because I tr you and we have similar reads? If you do end up being scummy in the end and we do pair, I would have no problem suiciding.

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Also a good chunk of the ladies have a TR on me.

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I think the GR x Creature pairing could work.

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creature is town. Don't be mean to him.

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I think the GR x Creature pairing could work.

Why creature instead of Pops?

I legitimately think creature is town and feel like personality wise it'd be better.

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#scumarentpeople

#destroyrelationshipstowin

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Bitmap, dance with me

Sorry to the remaining ladies, I'm settled on this in the end

ohhoho

I accept your request.

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I approve of GR x Creature.

@Creature: Lucky gal.

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Ye I think I just AFK
Lynch Shiro
Lynch Gamma
Figure out the rest
Bye

Why not unwnd?

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Creature, hurry up and accept.

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With that said, I'm kind of interested in lynching Creature anyway

We should talk in the neighborhood PT about this some more.

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Someone run numbers right now

Did creature get a partner?

He hasn't accepted yet.

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Dunn isn't getting lynched D1.

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There's GR and me too.

No matter your alignment, I would argue if you don't accept GR, you're throwing either way.

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Because he's ultra town

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Actually, Oversoul is posting in other games but replacing out of this one is kind of odd.

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Alisae is out

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Ank what do you mean?

Looking over the pairing I'm super cranky about Kagami pairing with Gaiden because Gaiden's iso is conspicuously devoid of content but I don't want to lynch the IC, especially before intermission. It seems like pro-scum pairing on par with DV's but unlike Cephrir I can't express my anger in lynch form

This should be closely examined. Gaiden was a really bad pick for Kagami considering how Gaiden's posts have been less than stellar.

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Ank what do you mean?

Looking over the pairing I'm super cranky about Kagami pairing with Gaiden because Gaiden's iso is conspicuously devoid of content but I don't want to lynch the IC, especially before intermission. It seems like pro-scum pairing on par with DV's but unlike Cephrir I can't express my anger in lynch form

The last few pairings were all the players that didn't have survival equity while all the townread players paired up

It literally doomed two scum slots from the start even though town was left out because they were in pairings that objectively were better to lynch first

Can you back this up with previous games or is this a bunch of WIFOM?

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Think Ali exits the game as town. If that's the case here's my hierarchy of pairings

unwnd/popsofctown
Ankimus/MariaR

kagami/Gaiden

Cephrir/DeasVeil

Shiro/Firebringer

Bitmap/Dunnstral
Golden Rooster/Creature

Gamma/Oka

Despite the placements, the bold are pairs I think have a strong indication of holding scum. I've yet to see a TvT pairing that I can be strongly confident on yet

Why are your bolds not on the bottom of the hierarchy?

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Like if you're putting scum pairings high up in the hierarchy then something is wrong.

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Kagami is the IC so she gets to be higher up. Shiro/Firebringer I think is far more intriguing based on their initial responses with each other, but outside of what FB has done I don't have a strong indication of a read about Shiro. Gamma/Oka I feel hold one scum

Is the hierarchy list what you predict lynch order is?

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I need to gather my reads a bit but after the later end of the pre-dance, I'm not going anywhere near lynching the creature/GR slot.

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I don't really like the Ceph/DV slot and explained why in my PT. But I want a second look at it before really explaining.

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I don't really like the Ceph/DV slot and explained why in my PT. But I want a second look at it before really explaining.

Can I get a light overview

DV's ISO is kind of barren and I would assume town would want to wait before pairing up and scum would try to pair ASAP.

Cephrir's ISO is also pretty bad most of his posts appeasing to what the general populous thinks and his reads mirror of that.

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Honestly your suspicion of that pairing seems to be appealing to the crowd too

Look at what Dunn just posted. We're trying to figure out the huge shift of reads.

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I don’t think Shiro is town

Dance with me Shiro

What the fuck is this shit?

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Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

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I would consider Ank/MariaR but I don't think my partner would consider that the best.

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Fire-Shiro won't be any more readable with 2 pairs alive than they are now

Is what they're doing actually scummy or just lynch bait? I'm still mulling this thought over.

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It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

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Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

And their post quality. Like Fire said Shiro was scummy but still wanted to dance with Shiro? That's really bad.

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How many votes are on Shiro/Fire?

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But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

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i dont think much of anything happened

their posts dont leave much impression on me and other people got townier

So they went from neutral to should have been the pre dance lynch based on other people looking townier?

For one thing, with 14 town and 3 scum being neutral is kind of bad.
For another, since the time of my read list gamma in particular improved in my eyes. I also wouldn't have minded creature as the predance lynch at the time I posted that bitmap should have been (to be clear my read of creature is now townier), but there was no consensus there and that lynch couldn't have been done if say this were an ordinary game

pls calibrate your scumdars before the game next time, they are not working

Re-calibrate mine for me then

ok, for starters, please move your scum slider until you can barely see bitmap

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I have no idea what point you're making here

The switch between 206 to a scum read.

Is there anything in particular that makes you think they're not scum, bitmap?

Sometimes the easy lynch players do roll scum

Nope. I'll vote them if they don't get their act together.

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I would consider Ank/MariaR but I don't think my partner would consider that the best.

That shouldn't stop you. You're not masons

I have high TR on Dunnstral.

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I have no idea what point you're making here

The switch between 206 to a scum read

206 is a small scumread

I clarified it several times not long after making it

I see, the wording was kind of confusing.

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That's fine but it shouldn't take away your agency

No one else besides maybe 1-2 people are going to push them today.

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Actually I take back Oka scumread.
I thought he might be scum defending me softly. I still think Bitmap is trying to play that "look i am town trying to be reasonable by actually sorting their slots but i actually just want to lynch them" position. Which is obvious.

I think oka could just be actually town trying to sort things out.

I'm actually considering the DV/Ceph slot more and Dunn can confirm this to be true in our PT.

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This is one of the few things that Dunn and I don't really see eye to eye on this and are internally discussing this.

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@Fire: Scumreads are not alignment indicative. Town also has to form scum reads, unless we don't?

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i believe you just proved my point with that reply.

wat

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i think bitmap is advocating for a policy lynch if it comes to that ?

I actually argued a bit in the PT that we shouldn't be voting Fire because of policy lynch reasoning.

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VOTE: Ceph/DV

I'm going to park my vote here.

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VOTE: Ceph/DV

I'm going to park my vote here.

By “park” do you mean that you are intending to keep it here for some time or is it more along the lines of “put my vote here”?

I'm putting my vote here until I feel like there's a better vote.

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I'm starting to suspect that out of the Ank/MariaR pairing, that if anything, MariaR is scum. They just push easy players.

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I still need to figure out the Oka/Gamma slot and unwnd/pops slot.

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I feel a bit better about DV, not really on Ceph.

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After reading Fire's ISO in Witches' Halloween Ball: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77636

He's probably town in this setup. Fire was way more controlled as scum and it doesn't line up with his play here. While LLD was flailing as scum in that game, it doesn't reflect Fire's scum meta from the looks of it.

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VOTE: MariaR

I like this vote a lot more.

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I have some private thoughts that I'd rather keep to myself but it's indicative if MariaR flips scum.

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I have all kinds of bad feelings about how my pairing is being handled

Are you going to defend your dance partner then?

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I have some private thoughts that I'd rather keep to myself but it's indicative if MariaR flips scum.

FTR posts like this don't make me feel any better about your alignment

Okay, I'll bite. I don't like Mariar-Dunn interactions.

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I have some private thoughts that I'd rather keep to myself but it's indicative if MariaR flips scum.

FTR posts like this don't make me feel any better about your alignment

Okay, I'll bite. I don't like Mariar-Dunn interactions.

Also going to quote this again:

My one issue with you is that if you were scum I think it's a natural response to townread me as you catch back up into the game since I was talking pretty favorably about you and most other people weren't

I understand that you don't have strong reads but I'm noting that you don't seem to be questioning anything I do either: For example, maybe thinking that I didn't send you an invite because you'd drag me down if I were scum or something

Maybe it's because I tr you and we have similar reads?

If you do end up being scummy in the end and we do pair, I would have no problem suiciding.

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there was a whole discussion about why you shouldn't do that early on and i for one found it convincing

anyway can we lynch shiro more pls

i like ur lynch better

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C) None of the above

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fire is town

shiro is whatever

Someone give me an actual reason shiro is scum.

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I am afraid I have to reject your proposal as i find it extremely suspicious

Ok I made up my mind Fire, I am ready to accept your proposal. Don't make me regret it.

I'm not sure if this is inherently scummy or just inherently cringy.

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Is it ideal to push 2 lynches in first dance and the rest in second or 1 lynch in first dance and the rest in second?

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im lost, please send help

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Where are you and where are you going

Dunno what to think of Ceph anymore.

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Where are you and where are you going

Dunno what to think of Ceph anymore.

What were you thinking before, and what changed that

Kind of had a scum read because of those weird reads on me. Now I just see shitpost.

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wait dude are you serious did you literally blank on the conversation we had about it or ???

I remember the conversation but I'm not sure where to put you anymore since your argument seemed valid.

I may have blanked out before that though.

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I was outlining why thinking MariaR and I being SvS is just dumb

There's like no way both of you are scum. Has to be one at most. And if there's scum, it's probably MariaR.

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I'm starting to suspect that out of the Ank/MariaR pairing, that if anything, MariaR is scum. They just push easy players.

Who is Maria pushing?

Me, you, and Shiro/Fire I believe?

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I was outlining why thinking MariaR and I being SvS is just dumb

There's like no way both of you are scum. Has to be one at most. And if there's scum, it's probably MariaR.

Can u quote and analyze the posts that are scummy for me?

I need MariaR to post more because it's linked with a weird theory that just got brought up.

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@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

I think this ties with my push towards Dunn to "hey im ur townread so i better get an invite" and looking at the first dance, a lot of suspicion just dropped from me.

I'd follow this plan but I want a MariaR flip. That's the only way I would follow this conspiracy.

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Also Gamma is town.

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Like the problem is, what benefit does Dunn get with pairing with me then if he's scum?

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I don't think the dunn case is super-duper compelling, but it's an interesting take and I appreciate you having presented it and your list.

It's probably a good indication that we're at a point where we need a flip.

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I played A2. I really wish there was an A3.

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Fire Emblem was a mistake. Advance Wars was better.

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I take back my conspiracy theory about Dunn-Mariar possible scum team after reading the last two pages.

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I looked into the town play from MariaR in Witches' Halloween Ball.

I don't see it here.

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Mariar in Witches' Halloween Ball:

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Very pushy, even when pressured.

This game:

"Hah, you think you can even touch lynching me?" attitude.

Mostly gut reads that there's a discrepancy here.

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Mariar in Witches' Halloween Ball:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77636&user_select%5B%5D=28247

Very pushy, even when pressured.

This game:

"Hah, you think you can even touch lynching me?" attitude.

Mostly gut reads that there's a discrepancy here.

What part of meta on me doesn't work do you not understand?

That's a WIFOM counter-argument you're giving though. Are you so knowledgeable about your play that you notice every minute nuances in your play?

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This is mostly a waste of time because I know I'll get out of this 'well besides Bitmap who now pushes me when Dunn does' (that timing though) but I'll play along I suppose. It is why I paired up with Ank after all.

Excuse me? I pushed you first and had my vote on you before Dunn.

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You're playing like you're overconfident scum who doesn't think they can be D1 lynch.

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So MariaR was going to lynch Dunn one way or another?

Seems kind of calculated.

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All grievous sins are forgiven if we just nut up and lynch some motherfuckers

Preferably the person i am on. Thank u

didnt you have a scum read on me and Mariar?

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Even if they're both town, they're never good endgame material.

That's just policy lynching then.

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VOTE: Oka/Gamma

I don't see any other lynch really happening and Oka's ISO is also pretty bad considering we're this late into first dance.

MariaR lynch would be better and would totally hop back to that.

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If I get lynched I want one of {DunnMap, Golden Creature} lynched soon after

No to both.

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I like the Creature slot a lot.

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I like the Creature slot a lot.

What about GRob? Just because one side is towny doesn't mean the pair is exempt from lynching.

I like that slot somewhat. But Creature is like super town in that pairing.

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I like the Creature slot a lot.

What about GRob? Just because one side is towny doesn't mean the pair is exempt from lynching.

I like that slot somewhat. But Creature is like super town in that pairing.

What do you like about them

I like his reads.

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heres my meta

1. when im scum im usually top 3 posters in the game due to going to full lengths to act town and i enjoy being scum vs town
2. when im scum i usually try and pocket strong town players; see NY213 when i tried to get anka on my side
3. i normally try to ignore and persuade people tunnelling me when im scum rather than not giving a single crap

shut up this is wifom now

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how is it wifom? ive regularly played with players in this game

just browse my past games i dont need to self-explain

because ur aware of it so it's something that can easily be changed

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Wait why did we quickhammer without Oka's response?

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So if we lose, we blame Kagami/Gaiden? Cool.

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oka leaving without talking in thread is a good sign

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FG is scumsiding by giving Kagami IC status.

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GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

Blame Mariar.

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How?

She's scum.

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Partially why I thought Dunn-MariaR scum team was viable awhile back.

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@Gamma: If Dunn is scum (hypothetically), who would you target next?

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How?

She's scum.

Well I think Dunn is scum and has you pocketed, so look into that.

Explain why Dunn would pick me over Alisae then.

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@Gamma: If Dunn is scum (hypothetically), who would you target next?

GRob. Their play m.akes sense as a buddy to Dunn and is shady in general.

I was thinking DV. Considering his interactions with Ceph town read and then liking DV more.

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I DIDNT SCUM READ GE SO SUCK IT.

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Actually Gamma talk to me for a second. Didn't Oversoul have a strong scum read on me? Then he replaced out right before Dunn asked me out for the dance. Then GRob immediately had a town read on me.

Holy shit I'm paranoid.

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Cool, my pair is town.

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Oka tried to get people off the fire/shiro wagon really hard.

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I town lean MariaR now.

VOTE: fb/shiro

Choo choo.

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Alisae I was only going to pair with Creature or Gamma this game because I don't have any experience with the other ladies.

Creature looks good.

P-edit: UNVOTE:

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I'm not voting fb/Shiro
VOTE: Ceph/Des

Have your thoughts on Dunn changed after that flip?

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Bitmap needs to flip sooner rather than later btw

You're best bet is to somehow prove that Dunn is scummy.

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@unwnd: Is GR and Dunn buddying?

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i guess i'm more or less forced to VOTE: shiro because i don't think i'm a good lynch

For heaven's sake ceph, there's a wealth of goodies out there in thread-land. Why is it you or FB-Shiro?

Mustn't there be more fuel for the FB-Shiro fire if there is a scummerino in there?

i don't have a strong enough scumread on anyone else to justify a case, and without me doing something drastic those seem like the only options.

do something drastic

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Why do you think MariaR is scum still?

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I think scum just gave us Oka as a freebie so I'm guessing the last two are going to be significantly harder to find.

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this game wont be hard to solve because oka iso gives us the biggest clues

anka is town and creature is most likely town

fire/shiro has one scum and most likely someone bussed

Who's on the bus list?

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Anyone still believes Golden Robster can be scum?

If Dunn flips scum, possibly.

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i do not endorse a bitmap lynch no matter what DV flips.

Didn't you scum read me earlier?

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i do not endorse a bitmap lynch no matter what DV flips.

Didn't you scum read me earlier?

yes

i have been convinced

If you're town, you need to build a case on MariaR. I kind of dont wanna lynch your slot.

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the more i think about it the more i think all remaining scum will be found in maria/GR/shiro/unwnd

I don't think unwnd is scum.

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i didn't earlier but their disappearance has left me feeling cold

unwnd-MariaR seems plausible tbh.

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I don't really think you're scum. I'm not sure about DV though. He kind of needs to step it up.

You don't need a real case. I usually gut lynch as town.

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Honestly though, how are you so certain that Dunn is town though?

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i do not endorse a bitmap lynch no matter what DV flips.

Didn't you scum read me earlier?

yes

i have been convinced

Did DV say anything about me in your PT that made you to believe this?

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Better hope Dunn flips scum.

Kinda sus that there were slight scum reads for Mariar/Ank pair and that their wagon literally never got pushed.

If Dunn flips scum, don't lynch Mariar.

If Dunn flips town, lynch Mariar or else town loses.

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Also, for those of you who really think MariaR is going to get killed by scum in twilight,

ur retarded.