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[Jesus Louisus]

@Vork

Are you going to unvote?

[Jesus Louisus]

or is it hammer time?

[popsofctown]

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[nomnomnom]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

[Jesus Louisus]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I have nothing against that. You gey the wagon going and I'll jump in.

[Jesus Louisus]

But I kinda feel this Of-Otter dialogue is eithet TvT or SvS????

[Kirari Momobami]

I can't remember the last time I played a game with a traitor but I definitely didn't pay attention to this exchange

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

Your question is backwards. If scum!Montosh part of the 5 votes then it's more likely that Nikomislynch is at risk of not truly occurring because a high number of mistaken townies is needed. Since scum!Montosh actually wasn't part of the five votes it is more likely that RedFlavor could keep his hands clean of the mislynch whilst the mislynch still occurs.

Really not following you here.

At any rate, in a scum!Montosh world, why would Red join him on Vork to create a competing wagon with Niko, when Creature still has some votes. That play doesn't make sense to me.

because Niko claimed traitor and Vorkuta is just a mislynch!

This may be a fantasy but if it is I prefer it to reality.

niko is town probs but Jesus

And here. I think there was plenty reason to want to push on Niko and keep the focus there, rather than let the focus shift back to Creature once the novelty wore off

@Kirari why risk it, though? Why not just stick a vote on Niko if it's such an easy vote to make? I'm saying scum

did

do that and Red didn't want to join his buddy.

Following my thoughts on this one. I'm guessing orfhz over Hirari.

VOTE: ofrhz

so you didn't think to look up what a traitor was when it was being actively discussed while you were online 10 days ago?

[Kirari Momobami]

It's possible but damn dude, that's a week and a half of you not understanding any of the mech talk or accusations in the game?

[Kirari Momobami]

Intuitively, I just imagined "traitor" was some variant of a SK.

Like can you expand on this point. What does this mean? How were you interpreting specific posts.

[popsofctown]

actually VOTE: of

[Kirari Momobami]

I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days

[popsofctown]

Should I be back on Otter?

I feel like I'm going into circles by now

[Kirari Momobami]

I definitely want Otter to finish responding to those points before I move on

If we don't do otter why is your inclination to go ofrhz over nom?

[popsofctown]

Nom isn't playing very much like someone who can make their problems go away during the night phase, nom like someone who cannot make noms problems go away without persuasive dayplay. That doesn't preclude traitor but I'm not here to traitor hunt.

ofhrz is pretty objectively scummy did not bus the scum etc

I can be all phobic that nom is seaux good at scum and won this recent mini or whatever and is gonna endgame me but I'd rather lynch people I'd expect to have red names in the OP if I was reading a completed game and that feels more like orfhz here

[LuckyOtter]

@Kirari. Like I said, I've been most interested in finding the last groupscum. It seems to me the easiest approach until we have more information about what roles are out there. I've largely ignored the setup spec discussion since there have been so many possibilities thrown out, and no consensus has really emerged, even concerning the traitor. The only real consensus is that there is most likely one normal groupscum left, and I feel much better looking for that, so that's what I'm trying to do. If/when I have to look for another element, I'll do it when I have more info. Until then it's all speculation to me and it makes my head spin.

[LuckyOtter]

I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days

Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.

[popsofctown]

I really wanna roll traitor now that I found out it's a halfjester can someone mislynch me and identify a normal queue mod that runs that a lot

[Kirari Momobami]

There being one group scum left is an inference I made from the traitor spec.

Before KK's claim, I would have thought 1 group scum, 1 SK (Maybe + traitor for group scum?)
After KK's claim, I've gravitated toward 1 group scum + 1 traitor

but KK's claim does not in itself guarantee there is a traitor. There could simply be 2 group scum and the scum cop could have been pure wifom. I *highly* doubt that, but it's not impossible.

But accepting *some* level of setup spec is required if you're looking only for one groupscum at this point

[popsofctown]

I don't know not_known that will but if the problem with a wifom mafia cop is the requisite sadism towards the scumteam his proxy night actions policy seems to already demonstrate that so I don't see why it should be hard exclude

[Kirari Momobami]

Nom isn't playing very much like someone who can make their problems go away during the night phase, nom like someone who cannot make noms problems go away without persuasive dayplay. That doesn't preclude traitor but I'm not here to traitor hunt.

ehh, nom would be last groupscum if she was scum (probably). vis-a-vis she could not make her problems go away in *one* night phase because the vig is still around.

In my mind the argument that nom is traitor and not groupscum is largely based on Creature's interactions with the slot, which is a major concern but does not preclude her from being groupscum.

ofrhz is hard to read given activity but I would be pretty surprised if she was groupscum given how she interacted with red, and frankly, from the fact that she's a top 4 poster frankly. I can't find a game where as scum she breaks 100 posts; if you can let me know

[Kirari Momobami]

I don't know not_known that will but if the problem with a wifom mafia cop is the requisite sadism towards the scumteam his proxy night actions policy seems to already demonstrate that so I don't see why it should be hard exclude

[nomnomnom]

I like that with Kirari's explanation I can simultaneously be SK, traitor and groupscum lmao

[popsofctown]

VOTE: otter ok I will sheep you kirari you're my new nero cain you didn't lead me into mislynch yesterday and you don't make fun of my animu

[popsofctown]

well i'm not sheeping you all the way onto nom
but maybe in lylo or something I will

[ofrhz]

But I kinda feel this Of-Otter dialogue is eithet TvT or SvS????

Why not svt?