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[LuckyOtter]

wtf I haven't obv!towned myself in the first 20 pages?
I must be slipping

I still like the idea of Vork for traitor actually

[LuckyOtter]

Nevermind he was pretty consistently after Creature. I dunno.

[ofrhz]

Anyway, there's a hop on the Red wagon in here but with no explanation, and it doesn't last long.

I voted Red because his push on KK seemed bad

Spoiler:

Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

He didn't really push the NC list...?

VOTE: Red

Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

Mostly this

I didn't think the sorry thing was scummy though

What was opportunistic about those posts tho

Probably better to let Red answer

[nomnomnom]

8 hours left, people.
I seriously advise to steer back on Of since they're trying to get a last minute lynch with Kirari.

[ofrhz]

The first substantive post and serious vote is on Niko.

I also did try to engage with hws but he sort of just flaked

Spoiler:

Am alive. Sorry, I was on an unexpected trip.

Speaking of late joiners, comparing Kop to EvilDeanius, Kop at least attempted to post something relevant. EvilDeanius entered with a joke statement, which is fine, but then an hour later has nothing to contribute other than explaining his joke post. He's going on my watchlist.

I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.

I feel like what EvilDeanius did is one of those things that seem scummy superficially but actually aren’t

VOTE: hws

I’m actually only the third vote on hws. How did his wagon disappear?

I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.

You do? Why?

I think "empty posting" is telling for scum personally - making posts that seem relevant but arent really saying anything.

Of course meta plays a role here too - for example I think Creature usually posts short posts? But I didn't know ED before and as Otter said, it's just no contribution at all. If that akes sense.

I disagree that ED came in and did the bolded though

I feel like coming in, joke claiming miller, and not making game related content attracts the kind of negative attention that scum don’t want

Let’s all wagon hws

[popsofctown]

What does concern me is that ofrhz frequently admits to being disengaged this game, busy for irl reasons, having a hard time getting into the game because of wallposts, etc., but is happy to throw shade at me for apparently not doing anything this game. That is disingenuous and opportunistic.

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell.

[LuckyOtter]

Opportunism is

[ofrhz]

Easily the worst voting record, and the ML votes look opportunistic. Reads are inconsistent. I just think this is the most obvious place to lynch today. And that's about all I have to say.

I mean, without having nom flipped, you can’t really say my voting record is bad. nor does a good voting record mean you’re town. After all, scum know who all the scum are.

I guess you could argue that I’ve been opportunistic, but I didn’t want to vote eyes when they were getting run up because I strongly townread them. I haven’t voted you because I’m not sure you’re scum and here I am, engaging with someone who dropped a case on me with 8 hours until deadline.

If you think my ML vote was opportunistic, I assume you mean Montosh. what did you think about my reasoning for voting montosh?

I don’t think my read on you was inconsistent. I said you scumpinged me early d1 and you were gone for the second half of d1. Then you started wallposting your catch up and that’s when I said your posts felt like a chore to get through. At no point did I townread you but when I voted for Jesus, I thought he was a better vote than you.

[nomnomnom]

I mean, without having nom flipped, you can’t really say my voting record is bad. nor does a good voting record mean you’re town. After all, scum know who all the scum are.

You have spent your entire day watching what's happening then casting your vote on the last day on be because Kirari did so lmao
That is just a straight up bad voting history even without me flipping.

[ofrhz]

Yes I already said I’ve spent a lot of today trying to engage with otter to decide whether or not I wanted to vote there.

[nomnomnom]

And you're not voting him here because?

[ofrhz]

I don’t think he’ll flip scum primarily because of his confusion over traitors. I can see how he glossed over that discussion if he’s busy irl and just never understood what it was.

[nomnomnom]

And that is town indicative how?

[ofrhz]

Really

I think having a cop on the scumteam would have prompted a discussion about why they had that role and led to talk about finding traitors/SKs in the game. Idk I kind of think otter would’ve looked traitors up if he were a part of that discussion

[nomnomnom]

Ergh...

[LuckyOtter]

Less than 6 hrs left. I believe I'm at L-2. There's no clear consensus on an alternative. There are too many options (and I think the opening up of options is something y'all should look at tomorrow, btw). Either finish me off or we need to quickly eliminate options.

The only other viable options this late are ofrhz, kirari, nom, and that's my order of preference.

@everyone not voting me, which of these people are you

not

willing to vote over me?

DV is very obviously not happening today. KK you need to move. Also, just going to point out right now that you said you were doing a hardcourt press against him and you've just been sitting there while town flounders around.

[nomnomnom]

I don't want a no lynch but I'd feel horrible voting otter here just to get there.

[Kirari Momobami]

8 hours left, people.
I seriously advise to steer back on Of since they're trying to get a last minute lynch with Kirari.

Even though she could have hammered otter ages ago

Again the accusations you're making don't actually reflect the circumstance of the game

Despite being the only counterwagon to otter she didn't hammer him for a full day even after she said she was going to sheep me

so how is opportunism the logic you want to push here?

[popsofctown]

nomnomnom what does your heartbeat song tell you

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom what does your heartbeat song tell you

probably a lot of metal screamo

[popsofctown]

ok so that's why you can't understand the lyrics

but they're something about lynching claimed vanilla and mechanical play

I promise

[nomnomnom]

lolol

For real I'm not really sure what to do here.

[LuckyOtter]

@Kirari again, there's been serious resistance to the ofrhz wagon, and scum are clearly happy with the current gamestate, in which town is a hot indecisive mess. I think ofrhz just doesn't want to get her hands dirty at this point.

Also, play that is currently not opportunistic does not negate past play that does appear to be so. The fewer people, the tighter game you're going to have to play because there's less room to hide.

[popsofctown]

otter can you stop townspewing I just wanna rationalize and go mechanical
closed setups are dumb why'd I in

[popsofctown]

I think I'm gonna iso otter and probably regret doing so