Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

Menalque · Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:16 am

In post 2229, Menalque wrote:So that leaves DP (conftown) me (conftown from my POV) and you who is prob!town for bringing this up in a world where that theory is right

That gives us creature, pine, and EP scum

Yo elements you never responded about this

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:22 am

In post 2226, Elements wrote:This is a very inactive game. Could mean scum are happy with where it's headed and we need to seriously rethink everything

Agreed. Assuming town!Gamma, that would also explain why yesterday hit a bit of a lull once both wagons built up. Scum knew it was tvt and just coasted. This aligns with RP's observation that Creature coasted in the second half of D2.

In post 2249, Menalque wrote:
In post 2248, Pine wrote:Because he bleeds Town
Can you stop just asserting this and actually explain it

Creature has done fuck all this game

How is that bleeding town

Agreed. I don't see town!creature here. I'd like someone to lay it all out.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:23 am

In post 2212, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2211, Creature wrote:
In post 2073, Creature wrote:Probably we have Pine scum.

In post 2080, Creature wrote:Pine + Elements + RedPanda?

In post 2106, Creature wrote:or maybe it's just Menalque + Pine + someone somewhat obvious and we're all fucking around.

In post 2117, Creature wrote:
In post 2081, Gamma Emerald wrote:You're gonna have to work hard to explain Pine scum btw
He has been on the sidelines all game?
Expressing a read =/= a reason for a read.

Thus far, your Pine SR seems based on:
1. His sideline play
2. His DP scumread
3. ?

Pine cut in and derailed the conversation before Creature could respond.

Creature didn't have a convincing answer for his Pine SR.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2253 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:23 am

VOTE: Creature

Detective Pikachu · Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:07 am

VOTE: EP

Pine · Post Post #2255 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:13 am

Creature’s meta is well-established. He lurks and snipes as scum, is active and takes hard stances as Town. While there is some evidence of this meta evolving in the intervening year or so since I last played with him, I’ve kept an eye out for some details I’d rather not divulge. Some trade secrets need to stay secret.

I do not support a Creature wagon or lynch. RP or Chemist are my preferred for today. I think the third is in {GEmerald, EP} and I’m starting to lean towards EP.

ISO · Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:35 am

Votecount 3.04

Gamma Emerald (3) -

Menalque, RedPanda, Elements

Chemist1422 (1) -

Pine

Pine (1) -

Creature

Creature (1) -

Espresso Patronum

Espresso Patronum (1) -

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Chemist1422

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-08-02 18:00:00).

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:42 am

In post 2226, Elements wrote:This is a very inactive game. Could mean scum are happy with where it's headed and we need to seriously rethink everything

In post 2255, Pine wrote: I do not support a Creature wagon or lynch. RP or Chemist are my preferred for today. I think the third is in {GEmerald, EP} and I’m starting to lean towards EP.

@Pine, how do respond to Elements' observation? Do you think the RP and Chemist wagons are too easy?

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:43 am

Same question to DP, as he evidently doesn't like my Creature read.

Elements · Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:44 am

In post 2250, Menalque wrote:
In post 2229, Menalque wrote:So that leaves DP (conftown) me (conftown from my POV) and you who is prob!town for bringing this up in a world where that theory is right

That gives us creature, pine, and EP scum
Yo elements you never responded about this

Of those 3 I think creature is the most likely scum. A Creature lynch could tell us if my theory is the case. Scum!creature would indicate town!gamma and town!creature would indicate scum!gamma. Given this is the last lynch before lylo, idk if that's the best course of action.

Sorry if I seem a bit un-invested is this game atm, there's a pretty intense game i'm playing with multiple players online most of the time. The day ends on Wednesday so I'll get back with more in depth analysis then.

Pine · Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:00 am

In post 2257, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 2226, Elements wrote:This is a very inactive game. Could mean scum are happy with where it's headed and we need to seriously rethink everything

In post 2255, Pine wrote: I do not support a Creature wagon or lynch. RP or Chemist are my preferred for today. I think the third is in {GEmerald, EP} and I’m starting to lean towards EP.
@Pine, how do respond to Elements' observation? Do you think the RP and Chemist wagons are too easy?

I don't know that "too easy" is a thing in the midgame. I think they accumulated a lot of votes quickly because they're widely perceived as scummy, not because of some kind of coordinated plot.

If you squint hard enough, you can find scum motivation in whatever you want. RP and Chemist are getting wagoned for good reasons.

Creature · Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:02 am

In post 2251, EspressoPatronum wrote:Creature coasted in the second half of D2.

Yeah, that happens when there's no progression happening at all.

Creature · Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:02 am

Like, if it's gonna become:

"Gamma is scum"
"No, he's not"
"Gamma is scum"
"No, he's not"
"Gamma is scum"
"No, he's not"
"Gamma is scum"
"No, he's not"

I'd rather just do something else

Menalque · Post Post #2263 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:04 am

In post 2255, Pine wrote:Creature’s meta is well-established. He lurks and snipes as scum, is active and takes hard stances as Town. While there is some evidence of this meta evolving in the intervening year or so since I last played with him, I’ve kept an eye out for some details I’d rather not divulge. Some trade secrets need to stay secret.

I do not support a Creature wagon or lynch. RP or Chemist are my preferred for today. I think the third is in {GEmerald, EP} and I’m starting to lean towards EP.

Literally do I have to say this every single game?

There. Is. No. Reason. Why. Meta. Can’t. Evolve. In. This. Game.

It is very simple

Creature has not been doing p much anything

From a strong player (by rep seemingly) that’s antitown play

Menalque · Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:06 am

@elements I could do that I think

But I still think I’d like gamma first maybe? I’m not sure

Feel like gamma!town would be an easy mislynch in the case of creature!town, and I don’t wanna have to make that decision in lylo

I’d rather go gamma today I think as I think there’s more information there

Menalque · Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:08 am

In post 2254, Detective Pikachu wrote:VOTE: EP

Can you talk to me about if there’s more behind this than his creature vote

And also about why creature is town

Asking for like the millionth time

Detective Pikachu · Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:10 am

In post 2258, EspressoPatronum wrote:Same question to DP, as he evidently doesn't like my Creature read.

I just wanna lynch anyone that scumreads my townreads at this point tbh

Menalque · Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:15 am

In post 2266, Detective Pikachu wrote:
In post 2258, EspressoPatronum wrote:Same question to DP, as he evidently doesn't like my Creature read.
I just wanna lynch anyone that scumreads my townreads at this point tbh

Why? We need to be lynching scum

Just because someone disagrees with you on a read doesn’t make them scum

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:19 am

In post 2264, Menalque wrote:@elements I could do that I think

But I still think I’d like gamma first maybe? I’m not sure

Feel like gamma!town would be an easy mislynch in the case of creature!town, and I don’t wanna have to make that decision in lylo

I’d rather go gamma today I think as I think there’s more information there

What information do we get from a Gamma lynch that we don't get from a Creature lynch?

One of the main selling points of lynching Gamma for me was to get info on your alignment. Your crusade convinced me you're town. Gamma's resolve in the Mena v Gamma and ofrhz v Gamma convinced me he's town.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:22 am

In post 2267, Menalque wrote:
In post 2266, Detective Pikachu wrote:
In post 2258, EspressoPatronum wrote:Same question to DP, as he evidently doesn't like my Creature read.
I just wanna lynch anyone that scumreads my townreads at this point tbh
Why? We need to be lynching scum

Just because someone disagrees with you on a read doesn’t make them scum

+1.

@DP as our town clear, we really need you to be a bit more proactive than that.

Menalque · Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:24 am

I think creature!scum could implicate gamma!scum from the fact that creature was hard defending him D2 by trying to push on me instead

But if elements is right about apathy indicating TvT yesterday and maybe again today then it could also mean gamma!town and pine!scum + you!scum

Whereas I think gamma!scum strongly suggests creature!scum, but the problem is gamma!town means I’ve been way off on my reads

If that’s the case then I think someone might be deepwolfing and it would be enough of a shake up for me to fully rethink my reads and solves

Menalque · Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:26 am

Basically creature flip does very little to help me sort gamma

Gamma!scum I think means creature scum

Gamma!town means completely reevaluating, which isn’t great but at least I know going into lylo

Detective Pikachu · Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:30 am

In post 2267, Menalque wrote:Just because someone disagrees with you on a read doesn’t make them scum

Yeah well scum pushed through ofrhz yesterday so not coming down hard enough on people scumreading my townreads doesn't seem to be working out so well so far

Detective Pikachu · Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:31 am

In post 2269, EspressoPatronum wrote:@DP as our town clear, we really need you to be a bit more proactive than that.

We're lynching someone on the ofrhz wagon, and probably someone toward the front of the ofrhz wagon. I'm fine with Panda going, or we can do chemist, either way.

Menalque · Post Post #2274 (ISO) » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:37 am

In post 2273, Detective Pikachu wrote:
In post 2269, EspressoPatronum wrote:@DP as our town clear, we really need you to be a bit more proactive than that.
We're lynching someone on the ofrhz wagon, and probably someone toward the front of the ofrhz wagon. I'm fine with Panda going, or we can do chemist, either way.

Creature and gamma were both on that wagon at 3 and 4