Large Normal 221 - Endgame

[Gollum]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

[ofrhz]

I will say that Nom having a concrete reason to townread DV makes DV the likelier partner imo.

Spoiler:

How is he a gamble?

because I have a slight townread on the guy, so I would feel bad voting there.

Can you explain why? I feel like he has been tunneling otter for most of the game with the same core reasons and little reassessment

That has pinged me, yes.

My entire reasoning is that I do not see a scum, any scum, jump in front of RF after his massive fail to protect him as scum. That feels like suicide. I assume that people here are not dumb and basically gave up on RF after pops' solid case.

The kind of defense was much more pronounced as well than your slot for example. He was dead convinced that RF was town and protected it until he was lynched. Even if he was really wrong, that strikes me as town simply because we're not playing ABC mafia. That's how I feel about it.

ugh why does everyone have to make things so complicated?

Instead of complaining perhaps you should propose an alternative.

Of has a point, you've been sitting on Otter all day long with little to no alternative in your words. You're part of the problem.

Nom just randomly claiming Otter is lynchbait when he was at L-1 with intent seems like a rather lackluster, half-hearted defense of Otter. I kinda think Nom would've been... even louder if Otter was her last partner. At that point, she had been flatly saying "lynch Ofrhz" for like several days with no one following onto her. I feel like maybe she would've changed her strategy if she was about to lose the game.

[Gollum]

Lmao. Nom I fucking love and hate you. I don't even know what to do with this game anymore.

I'm off camping this weekend and won't be able to post til Sunday evening at the very soonest. I'll try to wrap my head around everything then.

This opening line still seems funky to me though

[ofrhz]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

I think she could've distanced, sure, but I don't think she would've put a vote on her last partner at deadline. At so close to deadline, I feel like anyone could've been speedlynched, and I don't think she would've risked turning the tides onto her partner like that.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: DeasVail

[Gollum]

What do you think otter meant in 2839?

[ofrhz]

What do you think otter meant in 2839?

Otter has been saying that he was paranoid of Nom, but didn't think Nom would buddy him after their last game together.

Idk the logic there is a little wonky, but maybe Otter was just feeling like he had been snowed? (again?)

[Gollum]

Scum vork is a big distanced. Like I don't want to say that he's so bad he can only vote scum as scum but yeah...

Not really getting why kirari is suspicious of me other than a kinda delayed omgus

[DeasVail]

Are you deliberately trying not to understand?

Looking through nomnomnom's ISO to find scum is a very town move.
Looking through nomnomnom's ISO to check to see if you can spin yourself as town is a very scummy move.

I did the first one.
You did the second one.

Therefore, you are scum.

I read through nom’s ISO primarily for the purpose of seeing if it would influence my reads, but in doing so also noticed what I thought was an interesting progression in regards to me. When you shared your thoughts on nom’s ISO in regards to me, I responded by sharing mine. I think that should be pretty clear from my posts? Honestly I don’t care that much though. I feel like you’ve had me as a pet scumread throughout the game and have been interpreting everything in such a way to fit your exisiting scumread. And I know that if Otter flips town then it looks very bad for me and I’m completely expecting to die if that’s the case. But I do think that Otter is scum and I would like to lynch him please.

[Kublai Khan]

Who is Gollum?

[Kublai Khan]

I think reading to towncase yourself after being propsed as a vig shot isn't intrinsically scummy

It would help if he was saying he was towncasing himself tho, ya

I mean, he basically did.

I went through the iso and post thoughts on possible connection. DeasVail did the same thing, except instead of looking for connections and offering an analysis (y'know, scum-hunting), he just offered that he thinks nomnomnom was eventually going to call him scum, so we shouldn't think he's scum.

[Kublai Khan]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

If nomnomnom voted to lynch her scum-buddie, the game would have been over and she'd have lost.

[Kublai Khan]

Who is Gollum?

I'm guessing Nero Cain.

[Kublai Khan]

Lmao. Nom I fucking love and hate you. I don't even know what to do with this game anymore.

I'm off camping this weekend and won't be able to post til Sunday evening at the very soonest. I'll try to wrap my head around everything then.

This opening line still seems funky to me though

If LuckyOtter was group scum, he would not know that nomnomnom was the traitor.

[Kublai Khan]

I will say that Nom having a concrete reason to townread DV makes DV the likelier partner imo.

Nom just randomly claiming Otter is lynchbait when he was at L-1 with intent seems like a rather lackluster, half-hearted defense of Otter. I kinda think Nom would've been... even louder if Otter was her last partner. At that point, she had been flatly saying "lynch Ofrhz" for like several days with no one following onto her. I feel like maybe she would've changed her strategy if she was about to lose the game.

Yeah, I agree with this. LuckyOtter feels a bit obvious, while DeasVail is more sly, but both are the top suspects.

But given that we have a double-lynch today (lynch+vig). I think we have a good chance of nailing the last scum.

[DeasVail]

I think reading to towncase yourself after being propsed as a vig shot isn't intrinsically scummy

It would help if he was saying he was towncasing himself tho, ya

I mean, he basically did.

I went through the iso and post thoughts on possible connection. DeasVail did the same thing, except instead of looking for connections and offering an analysis (y'know, scum-hunting), he just offered that he thinks nomnomnom was eventually going to call him scum, so we shouldn't think he's scum.

I went through nom’s ISO a while back before I voted Otter.

[Kublai Khan]

I think reading to towncase yourself after being propsed as a vig shot isn't intrinsically scummy

It would help if he was saying he was towncasing himself tho, ya

I mean, he basically did.

I went through the iso and post thoughts on possible connection. DeasVail did the same thing, except instead of looking for connections and offering an analysis (y'know, scum-hunting), he just offered that he thinks nomnomnom was eventually going to call him scum, so we shouldn't think he's scum.

I went through nom’s ISO a while back before I voted Otter.

Humor me. Quote yourself.

[DeasVail]

Oh?

Anyway, I've looked over some things again and I feel like everything points to

VOTE: LuckyOtter?

[Gollum]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

If nomnomnom voted to lynch her scum-buddie, the game would have been over and she'd have lost.

A single vote on ofhrz doesn't Lynch her

[Gollum]

Lmao. Nom I fucking love and hate you. I don't even know what to do with this game anymore.

I'm off camping this weekend and won't be able to post til Sunday evening at the very soonest. I'll try to wrap my head around everything then.

This opening line still seems funky to me though

If LuckyOtter was group scum, he would not know that nomnomnom was the traitor.

The traitor flip was seen this morning so how could he not have known nom was a traitor

[Kublai Khan]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

If nomnomnom voted to lynch her scum-buddie, the game would have been over and she'd have lost.

A single vote on ofhrz doesn't Lynch her

If ofrhz is the groupscum, then no.. it doesn't lynch her, but it's an unnecessary risk.
If LuckyOtter is the groupscum, then nomnomnom adding the last vote loses the game.

Also, could you post with your main? You haven't even confirmed who you are.

[Kirari Momobami]

Not really getting why kirari is suspicious of me other than a kinda delayed omgus

LOL

If me proposing you for the 4th townblock is "suspicious" of you I wonder what a fos would look like?

I want to solve the game and if the entire town agrees you are town the game is solved. If there is a chance you are scum then the game is not solved. We functionally have 3 lynches, a poe of 4, so we need one townread for this game to be over.

For that reason I am asking for any suspicions of you are discussed because if no one scumreads you or sees you as being the lynch before vork then this game is autopilot win

[Kublai Khan]

Lmao. Nom I fucking love and hate you. I don't even know what to do with this game anymore.

I'm off camping this weekend and won't be able to post til Sunday evening at the very soonest. I'll try to wrap my head around everything then.

This opening line still seems funky to me though

If LuckyOtter was group scum, he would not know that nomnomnom was the traitor.

The traitor flip was seen this morning so how could he not have known nom was a traitor

Oh, good point. I dunno. it's funky, but it's funky either way.

[Kirari Momobami]

Gollum is nero

[Kublai Khan]

Oh?

Anyway, I've looked over some things again and I feel like everything points to

VOTE: LuckyOtter?

Okay, you've got nothing as a defense. Got it.