Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Chemist1422]

That wagon moved faster than I'm comfortable with

UNVOTE:

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 1.10

Dry-fit (4, L-3!):

James Brafin, Elastic Plastic, implosion, Sakura Hara

Thespio (3):

Jackall711, Persivul, Dry-fit

Phillammon (1):

Gamma Emerald

Sakura Hara (1):

Phillammon

Persivul (1):

Doctor Drew

implosion (0):

James Brafin (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Chemist1422 (0):

Jackal711 (0):

Doctor Drew (0):

Spangled (0):

Elastic Plastic (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (3):

Spangled, Thespio, Chemist1422
With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-07-31 21:10:00) remain in the day.

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[Sakura Hana]

#WagonSpeedIsNotIndicativeOfAnything

[Chemist1422]

#WagonSpeedIsNotIndicativeOfAnything

Disagree

I think in this case it could mean Thespio is a wolf who wolves want to create a counterwagon to

[Sakura Hana]

I think in this case it could mean Thespio is a wolf who wolves want to create a counterwagon to

So, you?

[Chemist1422]

I think in this case it could mean Thespio is a wolf who wolves want to create a counterwagon to

So, you?

Okay point

But no

[Elastic Plastic]

A player being wagoned quickly can also indicate they're scummy which can indicate that they are, in fact scum!

[Elastic Plastic]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

[Spangled]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

Why not?

[Phillammon]

VOTE: chemist

I didn't like that vote, and I like the unvote even less. (Yes, I know I did a similar thing way earlier. I have bad expreiences with "accidental" extended quickhammers in RVS.)

[Phillammon]

I don't really like Chem's unvote the more I think about it.

Why not?

I can't speak to anyone else, but for me the unvote looks like "I want to look like i am pressuring Dry but I don't actually want them to die" with an added dose of "hey look, I was on the wagon as early as <whenever>" if they flip scum at some point.

[Phillammon]

Wait, no, I'm wrong, that mindset doesnt make sense. This would have to be "does want dry dead but doesnt want to be on the wagon"

[Phillammon]

...which in turn would suggest thespio and chem on a team, which I can buy, though it is maybe early to be looking for associatives.

[Thespio]

...which in turn would suggest thespio and chem on a team, which I can buy, though it is maybe early to be looking for associatives.

yes, lets pretend we have more info then we do and figure out teams.

[Thespio]

that to me looks super scummy, but I didnt look too much at Phillammon when catching back up, let me look at his ISO. Because IDK about you, I dont feel like I know enough to guess a team at this point, but if you have super secret info theres a chance you arent town.

[Gamma Emerald]

implosion wagon doesn't look possible today so

This is a very odd line after Dry-fit has put together all of the effort of describing a naked vote as more likely to come from scum as a means of pushing me.

Voting without pushing and then acting defeatist when no one is scumreading your primary scumread and then joining your primary scumread's wagon that that scumread (me) built with his own sweat and tears seems not very town-minded.

I like this point on dry-fit

[Korina]

James Brafin has been prodded.

[James Brafin]

Ugh, prods. Sorry ‘bout that.
I’m honestly not sure what to make of the Thespio/Phil 1v1. Thespio comes off as super not town here, accusing Phil of things that have no basis and then never following up on them. But he’s never actually voted Phil, nor done anything really productive toward the gamestate.
Let me check where my vote is, but if it’s not on Thespio and he’s not at L-1...

[James Brafin]

VOTE: Thespio
But going to look at Dryfit’s ISO in a bit and see how I feel about that.

[Sakura Hana]

It's like it's a different flavored wagon every day.

[James Brafin]

It's like it's a different flavored wagon every day.

I’m sorry? What is that supposed to mean?

[Sakura Hana]

First there was a phil wagon, then thesp wagon, then dry fit wagon.
And eveyrone gets scared everytime these wagons get off.

You'll never lynch scum like this.

[Phillammon]

[voteCHANGED MY MIND SEE BELOW]Thespio[/vote]

Hey look, it's mutual! You're right, I don't have information to work off yet to build associations beyond how you're behaving towards each other, and towards people who vote for either of you... which there's plenty of. I think that there is a connection between the two of you, based on 307 looking like prompting, 314 being a nigh content free momentum shift off you, and now 338 and 339 going the opposite direction.

338 also gets bonus extra scumpoints for the way that you forgot information comes from... what people say, not just hidden info, and you're *also* trying to push me without actually getting your vote on me, which smacks of "wants the lynch to happen but doesn't want to be on the wagon itself when people do VCA later". Which, strangely, is the same thing that chem is doing.

(This said, I'm aware that masons are a thing that can technically happen in this setup alongside IC, which would also be a valid connection, but that seems to be a) quite improbable and b) do a real bad job of explaining your voting behaviour, or lack of same)

(I admit this conflicts with my existing Sakura scumread, as chem/Sakura's interactions don't look S/S.)
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OKAY SO while I was looking back over chem/sakura to check how I feel about that last parenthesised bit, came across 328 again, which I can't really reconcile with the general thrust of my point here- the chem -> thesp side of the association was already a bit flimsy, though the thesp -> chem bit seems relatively sound, and 328 doesn't fit at all, so I'm barking up totally the wrong tree here. I still feel it's important I get my thought processes out there, at the very least so I can refer back later when I've totally forgotten everything, but retracting the vote, cause I don't agree with my own conclusion there.

[Phillammon]

I still think Chem and Thesp's behaviour is individually pretty suspect, to be clear, just unwilling to draw a line between them. So gonna stick with Chem for the time being.

[Korina]

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