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[schadd_]

i dont rly recall you having control in the skygazer game for instance

in which you (briefly) fought against the d1 scum lynch and it still went thru

and you also began the game with your LOCK WOLF TELL

[schadd_]

Schadd and North are legit.

thanks buddy

[schadd_]

i don't want to lynch a gunsmith claim

[schadd_]

i'm ambivalent about its bollocksness and its a good role that will most likely eat up a kill or blocks as town. i have no problem lynching him by endgame

[schadd_]

PenguinPower:

Town – Based on statements made earlier in the game.

mmrrmmmm

i could see penguin as a VT read to minimize the likelihood of counterclaiming the result.

[schadd_]

I got fruit. Assumed it was from chenn.

ha

[schadd_]

i recall a past game from mastina with town tracker, gunsmith, vig vs. a fruit vendor

[schadd_]

also actually it totally makes sense for town bc it gets a false inno on pikachu i think (maybe just if they inherit)

[schadd_]

anyone wanna flashwagon fuckin uhhhh luckyotter

[schadd_]

dunno what to say about the lynchpools other than im kind of happy to finally see them i guess

[schadd_]

pagetop + 5000th game post

[schadd_]

uzi for example i kind of didnt know what his srs were

[schadd_]

i think we shouldn't lynch bob unless we're like >75% on him flipping scum; the effect of him keeping on as town is huge, either eats up a nightkill (GREAT with a vig alive) or gets a result (or lets us know theres a roleblocker. etc.)

VOTE: luckyotter putting my money where my mouth is as far as getting another lynch thru

[schadd_]

I feel like you should have some more input than that.

i'm trying to find this one image where a girl from a reality show is asking "did you get it? did you get the [something i forget]" and i would edit in "more input than that" into the thing i forget

[schadd_]

Why otter?

not a tr + other people were interested

[schadd_]

assuming you want more - i remember their vote on DP seeming like a sort of "ok i guess we're doing this" bus that i've seen a bunch of people do in the past + i srd them early for some reason that feels distant but hey sometimes im right about those things

[schadd_]

another thing for bob voters, itd probably be worthwhile to give him a pool of 4ish people to invest from so that if he's scum he cant do the thing like "oh ooops i investigated $consensus_town_read and they also died"

[schadd_]

luv + otter + vorkuta + performer maybe? would be my own but probably not universal, we'll also probably lynch one of the four

[schadd_]

nm would also be fine even though hes probably town esp since he wouldnt ever be a nightkill i think lmao

[schadd_]

lean town on him a little bit, enduringly

[schadd_]

counterwagon for DP + if i recall hes like SUPER wolfy and struggly as maf

[schadd_]

sorry vague term

DP had what seemed like an honest attempt to lynch him. performer would make sense as a partner to otter here since if otter is scum he was probably convinced DP was going down

2. my scum meta for him is rly just one game where he got lynched day 1 i guess

[schadd_]

sort of assuming daychat i guess which is probably not actually wise here (but scum partners can signal strategy to each other w/ votes &c)

luckyotter thinks DP is going down & lays down a bus vote / points out a dipole between performer & DP

DP, also expecting to die, escapades against performer in the hopes that hed be a spew town if DP gets lynched

might have the chronology messy but you get the idea hopefully

[schadd_]

that was a non sequitur thought btw

[schadd_]

[mathblade voice] you can clearly tell in 1196 and 1197 that theyre trying to organize in the game thread, detective pikachu is asking otter to clarify performer as a townread and telling them he will set them up for late game this is a joke

[schadd_]

im imagining penguin just keeps quietly neutral/slight-town reading me indefinitely and then we get to final 3 with like me + him + vorkuta and he's like "hmmm ok i'd be willing to lynch vorkuta > schadd here in that order. schadd could i sell you on a vorkuta wagon" and im like "sure thing buddy"

[schadd_]

how do you figure theres only one false inno youd get

[schadd_]

i tend to think being voteless at this stage is scum-indicative but its excused for psyche due to his lifeless approach to the game in my opinion so hey look its my two top slots to lynch

[schadd_]

deadline in 3hr

[schadd_]

i'll hammer bob at the last second i guess

[schadd_]

wig

[schadd_]

o shit 6 to lynch

uhh uhh deadline might extend for replacement but idk maybe not enough time to do another wagon

VOTE: bob3141

[schadd_]

shit if this is second scum there should be a list to vig from and a list to track from so they dont overlap

[schadd_]

IF BOB FLIPS SCUM: PLEASE DO NOT VIG ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
vorkuta
otter
penguin (not confirmed with bob scum. almost)
schadd

if there is a tracker or other investigative please hit one of the above if possible.

[schadd_]

anyone can feel free to +1 or revise the list in twilight and i will back it, just want to make sure that gets done

[schadd_]

you are confirmed town with bob town but not bob scum, hence needing to be on a list

[schadd_]

sorry the do not vig isn't people i find towny or scummy but rather a randomish assortment of potentially sortable people throughout the consensus reads spectrum

[schadd_]

a lot of people went dp -> bob. also lol

[schadd_]

IF BOB FLIPS SCUM: PLEASE DO NOT VIG ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
LUV
otter
penguin (not confirmed with bob scum. almost)
schadd

if there is a tracker or other investigative please hit one of the above if possible.

my instinct is to leave the vig pool bigger to adapt to the vig using their reads

[schadd_]

whereas the track is just sort of a freebie

[schadd_]

you would've gotten a deadline extension for the replace out

dont post

[schadd_]

id say: this list holds in the event bob is town as long as theres an investigative that isnt a tracker but something like a cop / gs / neap that gets generic results. so the vig should respect the list regardless

if bob is town and you're a tracker or jailer or something else weird you can do whatever you want

[schadd_]

oh i guess if bob is town then we just lynched the investigative huh. wig. forget it then

[schadd_]

that sucks btw

[schadd_]

especially if bob is town i think the sticky vote from luckyotter is wolfy and LUV's lynchpool (non-wagon, non-wagon, significant PR claim) + not suggesting he even evaluated bobs claim then going on to lynch him is super wolfy and both make me feel like theyre trying to get away with murder. even if bob flips scum i'm not sold town goes through with this often without worrying about lynching a PR claim. nm gets a pass because hes just like that lol but im totally down to invest him if somebody feels the need

penguin i'd really like for you to evaluate whether your LUV meta-town could be a result of choices he might have possibly chosen to make as wolf & notice how incredibly imitable his play is here. like if you're super confident hes town id give credence to that but as ive said a lot of the concrete here points to him scum

[schadd_]

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fuck Up " at me. it only makes my reads Worse

[schadd_]

its emphatically not all you can do especially if you notice what my criticism of your play was today

[schadd_]

like i dont want to go too into this because im probably tunneling or something but as scum making a deliberate meta ploy (or whatever) you have to stick to it the whole game but as town who just happens to be playing like that you can try to explain a vote for once to help somebody out

[schadd_]

old uzi town meta where hes a lowposter / kind of minimal similar to here but is actively sorting people regularly and playing aggressive with respect to reads

[schadd_]

Last time I stuck to my guns lynching a claimed PR was bad news.

[schadd_]

if bob is town the above on DP initially compared to bob now feels kind of like a guilty on otter

[schadd_]

lynching a role claim is bad if they are town and neutral if they are scum. why do you think it's the norm to claim at l-1

[schadd_]

VOTE: vorkuta

[schadd_]

uh i'm making this post as a bookkeeping measure for something

fwiw since the tracker flipped this was me thinking penguin was tracker although its kind of pointless since the reasoning was contradicted (i.e. i cant suggest i would have killed penguin over otter) (though i can say i have no idea how otter tracker-told or whatever & i can probably demonstrate at some point i wouldnt make a kill like otter unless i was like dead certain)

[schadd_]

also had the thought in 2231 but didnt wanna say anything

[schadd_]

mastina regretted passing that nk15 game and rc would need really huge permitting circumstances i think such as proposed scum roles that arent buckwild

this is the time reviewer meta is relevant its 10v3 like 99.99% of the time here

[schadd_]

unless memory is failing i think me being scum here would triple the amt of times ive voted a scum partner to lynch

[schadd_]

also had the thought in 2231 but didnt wanna say anything

Why not?

angleshooty

[schadd_]

penguin your avatar looks like the dude is keeled over snorting the squid or whatever like a thick wad of cocaine

[schadd_]

um you kind of got hammered

[schadd_]

id put 99% odds on psyche being town

[schadd_]

i would also super like it to be the case that you are doing an elaborate twilight troll in which case we will have a fun 24 hours with that

[schadd_]

maybe i shld hedge on psyche to like 98

[schadd_]

i do get the openwolfing feel from jl idk what to do with that

[schadd_]

how do you figure!

[schadd_]

can you, like, not

[schadd_]

ok would anyone believe me if i said i actually thought it was hammer

[schadd_]

no

[schadd_]

was doing twilight ramblings

you know, like how town does!

[schadd_]

prodge last couple days have been loaded

[schadd_]

got halfway thru drafting a bigger post last night

pisskop, can you elaborate on why you should be a townread? self meta / lamist / etc. are fine and good

[schadd_]

you are kind of townread

who says im doubting you

both scum tried to rope performer..........

you suggested there are things you have done yourself (i.e. in your iso) that merit you being townread

[schadd_]

is there a way i could squeeze thoughts from you on him as blood from a stone

[schadd_]

hhhhhh

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[schadd_]

wonder what luckyotter's n1 was

i had the thought (while not reading) that it might have just been mjl guilty bc if it were particularly obvious then that would explain him getting shot. but it doesn't seem so - 2037. maybe LUV no-visit?

probably shouldn't really talk reads otherwise in case this is town ( ), just wanted to get that out

[schadd_]

[schadd_]

im gnna explode

[schadd_]

VOTE: performer for now

[schadd_]

vt. would have liked to get n1d obviously

boringly i think im fine with me/performer though i probably ought to do due diligence & can probably push for like nm getting lynched over me (short version: never got to more than 80ish posts & only bussed once across 7ish? scum games, would have probably stalled deadline over losing bob unless i had like an invest on otters role. incidental note bob & performer were cwing pisskop eod2)

[schadd_]

i do too! i just wouldn't put that at more than like a 90% read and id like to have the potential to lynch someone else other than myself if perf is wrong

[schadd_]

i mean i dont think the bon jovi vote counts but um the reason not to lynch me is to do nm so i dont think that 'll work out

disappointing anyway

[schadd_]

i uh did not think i was hammered

[schadd_]

hi

i dont rly know where to go from here since i think ive been pretty towny all game and the case for me being town beyond just, like, looking at my posts, involves you guys having to read my other games. also in that same vein i just like dont rly wanna go and read the game & anything i do further would mostly be motivated by maintaining my good record not getting mld

[schadd_]

hi apparently

[schadd_]

hey guys what's shaking

[schadd_]

VOTE: no lynch

[schadd_]

just nm then? uzi was kind of obv mason partner

[schadd_]

im at pitchfork

[schadd_]

um it was really good thanks for asking

[schadd_]

yes!

[schadd_]

day 2 tragically cancelled due to rain

[schadd_]

^ reopened in the evening

jpegmafia was incredibly good

[schadd_]

[schadd_]

let me know when its time to real talk

[schadd_]

hello ?? do i have to just vote

[schadd_]

VOTE: nm

[schadd_]

i kind of knew LUV was the partner as soon as pp flipped. on d2 around this post

LUV is town. moving on.

i kind of thought it was an inno or something briefly and im pretty sure i tried not to pester him about it too much (though obviously i still tried to sort uzi. lol)

What if it's not LUV?

this was like a little bit up the page. i also thought of this sort of thing, and like the time uzi was like "Idk Bro Im Just Town" and i was like ohhh. (and i guess it was within his right to do that since he wasnt gonna get lynched but heck that was annoying).

not saying i would have surefire shot uzi by now, but like, idk? it should be a little bit clear that i knew uzi was the partner and like in general that i have the role wherewithal to figure that out whereas NM might just be blindfiring a little bit more. i remember uzi was like "schadds probably town" and that nm bob psyche was his scumlist (i think i shitted on that list btw sorry) so sure maybe i would try to take him to endgame but as far as i recall its been my prerogative in the past to shoot towny people rather than shoot for reads. i also think pisskop was trying to give mason cover d4 and thats why nm shot him whereas i would have been paying too much attention for that

just for bookkeeping i was thinking pisskop was the vig (i suddenly remembered that whomever was the vig would have had to shoot chenny n1 and that eliminated a few people e.g. psyche/jl probably UNLESS he was doing some sort of big stunt but idk what that would be about. anyway) and so the perf flip was uh incredibly upsetting. also i was super not sure about jl tonight and i was thinking if he isn't the nightkill then i gotta start rethinking things

also like you probably can't trust this from me of course but i think there's a strong general principle that if a bunch of mislynches line up after 2 red flips you should look at who wasn't being considered the whole time and i think i was very much on the table around d3 and def d4 obviously. also you should look at who bussed but uhh maybe that doesn't help here

what else what else

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

Like, if I totally bought schadd thought I was scum and should be lynched, I might think the meme would be fine. But so far most of what I have seen is that he didn't like my Gamma vote, which is fine but not enough to spend an hour making a meme over, and that he thinks I'm pink ball, which is... not even something I want to respond to. If I am pink ball, I didn't want to be mainhunted, and if I'm not pink ball, I don't want to get into that argument and make it easier to main hunt me. So his argument against me is boring for me to respond to, which makes me feel like he doesn't believe it. So making a meme for 501 is kinda gross given that his reasons just aren't that good and literally everyone patting him on the back for it kinda has me trying to decide whether he's obnoxious town that scum are trying to goad on and buddy by calling funny to get a mislynch on me or if he's just scum.

I'm leaning 'just scum' though. I think he was faking the reaction to vorkuta in pretending like he was going to rewrite his whole reads list and his push on me while I had stuff come up is opportunistic af.

VOTE: schadd

YES

This is more of what I'm talking about. the confidence level here seems fake.

And this is what I mean with the meme too. It's day 1 and I had a busy week so apparently that means his scumread on me is so strong that he's going to abandon the hope of working with the person you're focusing on?

Like I have made shitposty memes as part of pushes before... On like day 4 when I have total confidence th slot is scum. I wouldn't make one to get a read on a player because if I was wrong then the player is probably going to lose objectivity. I don't feel objective about schadd because right now I more feel while he is still alive in the game I don't really want to do anything other than lynch him. This is what it means to do a bad faith push and that's why I don't think town does aggressive tunnely memes like that day 1. I don't feel like he actually is thinking about my slot, he is thinking about how he looks pushing my slot.

I haven’t bothered to read any of Redemption’s recent posts since I decided to mark him as town for the foreseeable future. Who do you think are the scum attempting to let him hang himself so to speak?

Well, I feel like Penguin should have understood what he was trying to say, but I'm not sure Penguin has the disposition that would make him likely to explain the term that was meant to be used. N_M never explains. And Vork seemed to kind of ignore it, but Vork is town. So I kinda feel like town is just not really being very helpful to a new player rather than seeing a big scum motivation there.

wanting to vote Chenn at this point.

pichu is probably town given it's schadd leading the wagon

Detective Pikachu

Psyche
Vorkuta

PenguinPower
chennisden
Lil Uzi Vert

Not_Mafia

Redemption
ChannelDelibird

MaryJoLisa

LuckyOtter
Performer

schadd_

I think this is where I'm at.

Otter, Performer, what are your reads of schadd?

i love confrontation + for a moment you looked like generic scum doubling down to me which would be super great as id just have to win the 1v1 for today which is ez

im worried you're trying to keep me an unresolved 1v1 : (

vanity voting me with the assumption i won't vote you back (as scum)

your slot needs to die

VOTE: schadd

there is no reason town you wants to generate this much wifom about my vote, I felt pretty angry when I voted you over the weekend and I didn't want to just sit on that without reevaluating when I cooled down but it seems like you just want to goad me not sort me

i should say i dont really expect to be lynched

gross projection of ego

"I made a bunch of posts, you should have reevaluated me"

"I don't see why you unvoted me"

"why aren't you voting me, I like conflict"

"I just made a bunch of posts explaining my thought process"

die plz

I'd LIKE these four:
Not_Mafia
Redemption
ChannelDelibird
MaryJoLisa

to give reads of these three:
LuckyOtter
Performer
schadd_

I know I'm not going to get that from NM

Redemption, you have Otter as probscum, schadd as neutral, and performer as neutral. Have any of those reads changed, or have you developed a read of schadd or performer?

CDB, what's your read of schadd? Also, you say "weird" in regard to Performer, can you be a bit clearer on how you feel about that slot? Your read of Otter also seems kinda wishy washy, any update there? Maybe all your reads have changed anyway since you haven't updated since the weekend.

MJL, can you be clear on what your reads irt to otter, Performer, or schadd? I can't get a sense of what your read on any of the three is from your iso

DP was 1v1ing me very hard and doing so in the same way he did with perf and nomnomnom - i'd speculate that they thought this spewed nomnomnom town since they killed her, and like if DP was bussing the group {me, perf, nnn} i feel like theyd wanna kill out of that group. if that makes sense.

MJL can I interest you in a Performer vote?

Hey while you're here actually responding to things do you want to explain why you have Performer as town?

pedit: @N_M

not to go all mathblade but unless you think the last scum is exactly an encryptor (and like i personally think they are a rolecop bc of the otter kill, or some other bonkers ass thing that couldn't fit encryptor on top of it) there isnt daytalk and this is feasibly DP being like "hey guys lets try to do performer for real this time"

I feel like schadd's posts make me angry, so while I'm very confident he's scum there's another part of me that feels like I'm not approaching him objectively. He's probably scum, but there's a very small chance we just have a really big playstyle conflict. Performer just reads like scum to me and there's not so much emotion involved.

again it's probably awkward to hear this from me but like i super scumread this because it feels like hes playing hard to get with me here, if that makes sense. like when somebody's like "ugh... i'd be

struggling

to make plans on friday" and they're free on friday but they want to like squeeze it out of you. he's like "ughh schadd's probably scum.... but i could be

convinced

that it's a playstyle conflict

if only

he would just e.g. stop pushing me, which is something i do NOT like"

only MJL voted NM briefly early on in d1

[schadd_]

i would have just voted nm right away but idk maybe he would have gone the route of ccing mason. which would be awful but well he is who he is. moreover as town he should have just voted me right away since he would ostensibly be a non-mason and i am claimed VT

sort of did the self meta dealie already but, idr if uzi has seen my scumgame but its Not great. i think this was my last one, as katherine, outed alt . specifically i have trouble aggressing on people & sorting them as well as real timing - i don't think i sort people actively very well so when i do that it's mostly proof of concept (i think this from a past game demonstrates that sort of). it's sort of a nerves thing. im on record that it would be unlikely to change unless i saw a therapist WHICH i have started doing however that was not until about d2? d3? of this game.

if you don't buy into the psychological aspect or whatever i think it's at least a bit of a stretch that i would like suddenly go from a serial lowposter and never-busser to my play this game like right away on d1 as scum. it would have been cool obviously if i kept leaning into the dp lynch all the way through but oh well, i still think u should tend to avoid lynching PR claims unless you're like very certain. we just happened to be right both times. i guess we were punished karmatically by The Lord himself when He quickhammered performer lol

i think i said it already but i could well have just not hammered bob. and going down to 1 with a loose tracker is kind of throwing in my opinion - maybe thats sort of invalidated by the rolecop idea but hey it could have been a vanilla cop or something etc etc. keep in mind that both nm and i were voting bob but only one of us likes to throw games for funzies

[schadd_]

i guess i was in prod range. i think my town case is pretty simple, pretty much anything id say about nm is motivated by the fact that i know his alignment already. like i thought he was town, and his play has been super straightforward otherwise. he's made solo endgame as maf before a few times but i don't know if he got townread or just ignored in those games

[schadd_]

YEAH BOIIIII

[schadd_]

id really like for the review thread for this game to be released and for several people to turn on location so i can have a chat

[schadd_]

uzi do u like j dilla or dj shadow

[schadd_]

good reads though! ^

[schadd_]

i think the game is won for town which is why schadd is open wolfing?

excuse me !!!

Holy hell, these walls.

They're beautiful!

i remember you was conflicted misusin your influence