Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Chemist1422]

Speaking of next questions:
@All: Do you think tunneling is effective as town or scum, and why/why not?

Also, I’m with Drew on this one. Gobble/Thes could be a real thing. I’m leaning more chainsaw than white knight here.

I don’t really care whether it’s effective, it’s just kind of annoying to deal with for everyone but the tunneler so I’d say no?

And I don’t think Gobble/Thes is a thing because of the way the Dry (gobble) wagon built up in response to the Thes wagon

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 1.17

Thespio (4, L-3!):

Persivul, James Brafin, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana

gobbledygook (3):

Skygazer, implosion, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew (3):

gobbledygook, Formerfish, Chemist1422

Chemist1422 (1):

Phillammon

Phillammon (0):

Persivul (0):

implosion (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

James Brafin (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Formerfish (0):

Spangled (0):

Skygazer (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2):

Spangled, Thespio
With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-07-31 21:10:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Remember: Flavor is just flavor. Don't use it to make arguments.
- Reminder: There is no plurality. If nobody is lynched by deadline, it's treated as a no-lynch.
- I will be pseudo-V/LA until July 28th or 29th. While I will still be around, please submit all actions to the worst as well.

[Chemist1422]

vc

sorry

[Formerfish]

I kinda think tunneling has a bad rap.

I prefer to come to a tentative conclusion based off the gamestate and then will take new info and incorporate it where it fits.

People who accuse me of tunneling have a high tendency to flip scum, and tunnel is the popterm they use to discredit my read.

If I think someone is scum I'll push them until it's clear I'm pushing a vanity wagon. Then I'll try to work with my town block.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

[Chemist1422]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

[Chemist1422]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

Fair point, but even without a teammate under fire coasting doesn’t work well consistently

[Formerfish]

VOTE COUNT 1.16

Thespio (4, L-3!):

Persivul, James Brafin, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana

gobbledygook (3):

Skygazer, implosion, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew (3):

gobbledygook, Formerfish, Chemist1422

Chemist1422 (1):

Phillammon

Phillammon (0):

Persivul (0):

implosion (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

James Brafin (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Formerfish (0):

Spangled (0):

Skygazer (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2):

Spangled, Thespio
With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-07-31 21:10:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Remember: Flavor is just flavor. Don't use it to make arguments.
- Reminder: There is no plurality. If nobody is lynched by deadline, it's treated as a no-lynch.
- I will be pseudo-V/LA until July 28th or 29th. While I will still be around, please submit all actions to the worst as well.

People should come vote Drew, we have cake and punch over here.

[Spangled]

Imply is pinging me hard. It feels like most of his reads so far have been based on the fact that “scum can fake this,” which is a BS reason to read anyone for anything. By that logic, scum can fake ANYTHING, and this whole game is pointless. But maybe I’m just oblivious. Also, the need for those people to validate his reads I don’t like. It feels LAMIST.

But see, he hasn't even SRed the Fish. He's just said that Fish can't be townlocked based on his towny catchup.
And the reason most of his conversation has been based around that is because that is what the discussion has been around: that is to say, the Fish's catchup and it's towniness (or relative lack thereof, from Imp's POV).
Additionally, scum can fake certain things - but not every thing. Imp has never said that scum can fake everything, just that the things the Fish has been doing have been fakeable by clever scum.
And asking for others to look at your reads is never LAMIST, nor should it be considered so. It is trying to make discussion over things - that is to say, what town should do.
(All this defence is what I meant when I said I felt some mindmeld with Imp - I've understood where he's been coming from on pretty much all quarters).

[Spangled]

Thespio?

Sorry been on mobile, hard to track two games at the same time!

Then your phone is shitty

What are you trying to achieve with this post?
Seriously, what is the point of this?

[Spangled]

@All: Do you think tunneling is effective as town or scum, and why/why not?

As town, it depends what kind of tunneling you're talking about - blind tunneling, or backed-up tunneling. One is good, the other is not. I'll leave you to decide which is which.
As scum, I have no idea - I've never tried.

[Spangled]

I mean doesnt that imply you think they are both scum or am i missing something.

Of course not.
It's just forming associative reads - saying that if one is scum then the other probably is doesn't necessarily mean you think they're scum.

[Spangled]

People who accuse me of tunneling have a high tendency to flip scum, and tunnel is the popterm they use to discredit my read.

I think you might be tunneling Phil a little bit

[Sakura Hana]

I mean doesnt that imply you think they are both scum or am i missing something.

Of course not.
It's just forming associative reads - saying that if one is scum then the other probably is doesn't necessarily mean you think they're scum.

Yeah but he said it both ways.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

Fair point, but even without a teammate under fire coasting doesn’t work well consistently

Ok, but coasting and being on the sidelines would have probably kept me safe.......so what scum motivation would I have to make a case on Turkey unless I am trying to protect thespio(already stated I would vote him) or phil(who currently has no votes on him but people are willing to vote, no reason to try to protect). Scum motivation would be just to stay active enough until the day ends an then try to be more active on D2, and let town lynch town.

[Sakura Hana]

You know. Drew's making good points.

[Spangled]

You know. Drew's making good points.

As opposed to you, perhaps.
Could you give us your viewpoint on Thespio, and on the Turkey.

[Sakura Hana]

You know. Drew's making good points.

As opposed to you, perhaps.
Could you give us your viewpoint on Thespio, and on the Turkey.

I think the way gob is making reads comes from someone with inside information.
Thespio compromise on an useless slot.

[James Brafin]

VOTE COUNT 1.16

Thespio (4, L-3!):

Persivul, James Brafin, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana

gobbledygook (3):

Skygazer, implosion, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew (3):

gobbledygook, Formerfish, Chemist1422

Chemist1422 (1):

Phillammon

Phillammon (0):

Persivul (0):

implosion (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

James Brafin (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Formerfish (0):

Spangled (0):

Skygazer (0):

No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2):

Spangled, Thespio
With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

(expired on 2019-07-31 21:10:00) remain in the day.

Mod Notes

:
- Remember: Flavor is just flavor. Don't use it to make arguments.
- Reminder: There is no plurality. If nobody is lynched by deadline, it's treated as a no-lynch.
- I will be pseudo-V/LA until July 28th or 29th. While I will still be around, please submit all actions to the worst as well.

People should come vote Drew, we have cake and punch over here.

And Thespio has cookies.
I’m liking this juicy interaction between Drew and Chemist right here. I feel like it’s TvT though.

[Spangled]

Imply is pinging me hard. It feels like most of his reads so far have been based on the fact that “scum can fake this,” which is a BS reason to read anyone for anything. By that logic, scum can fake ANYTHING, and this whole game is pointless. But maybe I’m just oblivious. Also, the need for those people to validate his reads I don’t like. It feels LAMIST.

But see, he hasn't even SRed the Fish. He's just said that Fish can't be townlocked based on his towny catchup.
And the reason most of his conversation has been based around that is because that is what the discussion has been around: that is to say, the Fish's catchup and it's towniness (or relative lack thereof, from Imp's POV).
Additionally, scum can fake certain things - but not every thing. Imp has never said that scum can fake everything, just that the things the Fish has been doing have been fakeable by clever scum.
And asking for others to look at your reads is never LAMIST, nor should it be considered so. It is trying to make discussion over things - that is to say, what town should do.
(All this defence is what I meant when I said I felt some mindmeld with Imp - I've understood where he's been coming from on pretty much all quarters).

@James

[Sakura Hana]

Oh also spangled, I dont think i make good points, I just read people.

[Spangled]

Oh also spangled, I dont think i make good points, I just read people.

Fair enough.
Sorry for that, though — it was an unnecessarily insulting way to make a point.

[Spangled]

Oh also spangled, I dont think i make good points, I just read people.

Fair enough.
Sorry for that, though — it was an unnecessarily insulting way to make a point.

I often feel I’m the opposite, to be honest.
I’m hilariously bad at reading people.

[Gamma Emerald]

Some things are just what they are and there's no ulterior motive to what's said.

I wasn't thinking there was