Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

[hebichan]

What's even worse is that we need to give force the autoloss condition named Black Key onto a fellow townie.

Why are you assuming we can't force it onto scum?

I think he assumes if we lynch all the scum, a townie would inevitably get it.

[kuribo]

Actually yeah, if everyone gets banished who doesn't have a key at well of fears, and the black key gets willed out upon banishment, it would pass to one of the players in the well of fears, one of which will inevitably be holding it along with any other keys

Someone has to sacrifice their win for the good of the team at endgame

[kuribo]

I call dibs on not it

[kuribo]

Hmmmmmmm

[Not Known 15]

What's even worse is that we need to give force the autoloss condition named Black Key onto a fellow townie.

Why are you assuming we can't force it onto scum?

Why would we WANT that? We need all 6 keys to be on town to win the game.
And because 4 keyholders need to approve going to the well and someone with the Black Key cant win you need 4 OTHER keyholders to accept that. No one wants the Black Key, unless they are immune against its effects.

[Not Known 15]

Actually yeah, if everyone gets banished who doesn't have a key at well of fears, and the black key gets willed out upon banishment, it would pass to one of the players in the well of fears, one of which will inevitably be holding it along with any other keys

Someone has to sacrifice their win for the good of the team at endgame

The Black Key player wouldn't be banished because they hold one of the 6 keys.

[kuribo]

Actually yeah, if everyone gets banished who doesn't have a key at well of fears, and the black key gets willed out upon banishment, it would pass to one of the players in the well of fears, one of which will inevitably be holding it along with any other keys

Someone has to sacrifice their win for the good of the team at endgame

The Black Key player wouldn't be banished because they hold one of the 6 keys.

Ah for some reason I thought that it was a seventh key that wasn't required or whatever

[kuribo]

Okay that actually doesn't change anything carry on

[Not Known 15]

Actually yeah, if everyone gets banished who doesn't have a key at well of fears, and the black key gets willed out upon banishment, it would pass to one of the players in the well of fears, one of which will inevitably be holding it along with any other keys

Someone has to sacrifice their win for the good of the team at endgame

The Black Key player wouldn't be banished because they hold one of the 6 keys.

Ah for some reason I thought that it was a seventh key that wasn't required or whatever

Well, it is, actually, a seventh key.

[kuribo]

But the rules say you need six

[kuribo]

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

[hebichan]

Yes, read the rules more carefully. In the well of fears phase key limits are removed, if any sum exist in the 6 players they get a kill, town can also vote to banish. In that case, any keys dropped are willed to players.

[kuribo]

So you can actually end the game with the black key on scum: if scum makes it to the well of fears and town ends up with the six keys, scum can be left holding the black key--- the town wincon being fulfilled ends the game

[hebichan]

Well not necessarily. I think if scum has their specific key, but also holds the black key, only the scum not in the well of fears wins, based on the pm I got when I held the black key, it sounds like your faction still wins.

[hebichan]

Or well, I guess the other scum members could be in the well of fears too, but you get my point. Only the 0erson holding it loses, townies still don't get their wincon.

[Not Known 15]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

[kuribo]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

I can 100% assure you it exists

[Skygazer]

everything i see keeps making me think maria+sky are scum~~~~

Eh. I believe MariaR picked town first/is town and I believe her when she says that her reasonings for playing differently are due to the game itself.

Knowing Maria I'm working under the assumption that she picked Town, then Third Party, then Scum

[hebichan]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

I can 100% assure you it exists

Ah so you did slip it to me.

[kuribo]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

I can 100% assure you it exists

Ah so you did slip it to me.

Nope and in fact I have no idea who has it right now, I just damn sure don't ever want it back

[kuribo]

Actually, everyone who told us that a black key exists is a liar.
Because the rules say:

The Well of Fears is the endgame condition for the game. To enter the well of fears, all 6 keys must be held by 6 different individuals, and a majority (4) of those individual players must agree to progress to the Well of Fears.

There are 6 colours of key: GREEN BLUE PURPLE RED ORANGE YELLOW

Now, 6 colours wouldn't preclude that because Black is not a color. But it says "all 6 keys", which means that these 6 keys are "all keys" and as such a seventh key can't exist.

I can 100% assure you it exists

Ah so you did slip it to me.

Nope and in fact I have no idea who has it right now, I just damn sure don't ever want it back

[implosion]

Eh. I believe MariaR picked town first/is town

why

and I believe her when she says that her reasonings for playing differently are due to the game itself.

why

The thing about maria is this:

NK is a scummy mess with little information or content to offer, part of the bottom quartile along with TemporalLich and Skygazer. Trying to sort those three by likelihood of being scum right now seems low-utility. But to put it bluntly, we should avoid taking any of them into the Well of Fears.

Why not toss Maria in that list?

Maria just barely scrapes above the bottom quartile but literally only because she said "GE is Town but don't ask why just yet", which isn't ~content or anything but may (~~~~) be a meaningful contribution down the line (honestly statistically it says a lot more about Gamma's likelihood of being Town than Maria's but still not nothing about Maria's).

is backwards, IMO. The "GE is town but don't ask why" thing fits to a T how I think Maria's scumgame works; it's the kind of peppering in things that are "loudly" townish that she iirc does as scum. I can't think of examples but. I do agree w/ plum that it says more about Gamma being likely town than it does overall about Maria but I think it's actually a point in favor of her being scum.

Her boredom/catchup-post style in the first couple days fits how she played as scum in mlp. 451 is *absolutely* a line I can see her saying as scum.

[hebichan]

Either way, I don't have it currently, but the person who suggessted half the game is liars needs rope.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gamma Emerald has been banished on Time code 57.

Key Vote

57

Hebichan (6) Plum, Kuribo, Implosion, Temporal Lich, GreyICE, Katsuki
Implosion (3) Skygazer, Hebichan, MariaR

Not Voting (2)- NK15, Alisae

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Win a Key

Hebichan has won the Green Key.

Event Incoming!

[Skygazer]

Eh. I believe MariaR picked town first/is town

why

and I believe her when she says that her reasonings for playing differently are due to the game itself.

why

see this:

I'm working under the assumption that she picked Town, then Third Party, then Scum