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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:21 pm

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In post 69, Oversoul wrote:I don’t think that’s true. Sparing is like doing the scums job for them. We are removing the townies player then they have a chance to remove the second towniest player. It accelerates the race to the bottom which is typically why most scum teams win.
After rereading the setup, I think that the Pacifist route (with the option to switch to the Neutral route) is better than the Genocide route (with the option to switch to the Neutral route). As Chennisden pointed out, a lot of scum games are won because there were enough scummy townies for scum to get the number of mislynches that they need to win, as opposed to them winning because they were all top-tier townreads. I think in general it's more difficult to become a consensus townread as scum than it is to push a mislynch on a scummy towny player. The Genocide route is essentially a standard a game of Mafia, where scum can win when the core is reached as long as there are four scummy town players that get mislynched. With the Pacifist route scum can only win when the core is reached if both scum are among the four or five players that are spared.

And considering that we don't have players like RadiantCowbells/Auro/Flavor Leaf/Mastina/etc. in this playerlist, I don't think that it's going to be easy for both scum to be townread enough to get spared. Especially considering that one of the four or five people that are spared should be the PR (although I don't think that the PR should come out today -- I think that they shouldn't come out until day 2 or day 3, and the person that is spared today should be a consensus townread). And if there is a PR CC or concerns later down the line that one scum has been spared, we can always still switch to the Neutral route.

I also think that Chennisden is likely town. I've played with town!Chennisden somewhat recently in two different games (Nomination Mafia and Starcraft III), and I don't think that scum!Chennisden would have the confidence to immediately come out of the gates at the beginning of day one, self-heal himself, and strongly push for his own slot to be the first slot that is spared. Beyond that I think that his push for the Pacifist->Neutral route is towny and I agree with him in that we should definitely spare someone rather than kill someone today.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:24 pm

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HURT: Popsofctown

HEAL: Chennisden

Chennisden is at L-2.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:42 pm

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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:48 pm

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i don't want to jinx it but this game is staaaarting to seem trivial.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:48 pm

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d1 chennis
d2 elements or volxen
d3 PR

im sure u can figure out d4 urselves
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:07 pm

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In post 175, volxen wrote:With the Pacifist route scum can only win when the core is reached if both scum are among the four or five players that are spared.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 pm

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In post 180, Elements wrote:
In post 175, volxen wrote:With the Pacifist route scum can only win when the core is reached if both scum are among the four or five players that are spared.
did it again, I meant to write this:
the pacifist core scum only win *instantly* if they are both spared, it's still possible for them to win if there's only one scum in the original 4 spared
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:14 am

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Where’s Deb when you need him
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:26 am

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Votecount 1.4
Kill votes:

Something_Smart -----(0)
Gamma Emerald -------(0)
chennisden ------------(1) Oversoul
Elements -------------(0)
Oversoul --------------(0)
DrDolittle --------------(0)
Dr Easy Bake ----------(0)
volxen -----------------(0)
Chemist1422-----------(0)
Adorable----------------(0)
Emperor flippyNips-----(0)

Spare votes:

Something_Smart -----(2) Something_Smart, Dr Easy Bake
Gamma Emerald -------(0)
chennisden ------------(4) chennisden, Elements, volxen, Adorable
Elements -------------(1) Chemist1422
Oversoul --------------(0)
DrDolittle --------------(0)
Dr Easy Bake ----------(0)
volxen -----------------(0)
Chemist1422-----------(0)
Adorable----------------(0)
Emperor flippyNips-----(0)

Voting for a Kill (1):
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Oversoul
Voting for a Spare (7):
: Something_Smart, Elements, chennisden, Dr Easy Bake, Adorable, Volxen, Chemist1422
Not voting at all(3):
Gamma Emerald, DrDolittle, Emperor flippyNips.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to make a choice.


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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:07 am

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In post 3, popsofctown wrote:
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A more formal "Alive/Dead" list is coming later today.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:16 am

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In post 49, chennisden wrote:Maybe not NOW NOW but definitely sometime in D1 where we've had enough time to sort some people and we have enough time to decide on a counterclaim if scum decides to throw
You do realize setup notes say early claiming is anti town right
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:18 am

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In post 54, DrDolittle wrote:and if there is a cc, then we go into day 3 in a 5-1?
What is this math
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:23 am

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In post 73, chennisden wrote:if we're playing the spare game then we've changed scum's job entirely.
How? Scum would then want to kill the towniest player to avoid them being spared. Different end but same means.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:23 am

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Gamma do you town read me
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:25 am

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In post 80, chennisden wrote:rather than driving town to their deaths they have to drive themselves for the spare.

it's much harder to pretend you're arguing in good faith when you have to push yourself as the towniest player in the game.

in a LOT of setups scum can stop going for the agenda that they're the towniest player at some point. even fakegod's dance setup which is prolly the most townsided game i've seen in a while gives some room for that. this setup is townsided if we play this way because we don't give scum the room to do that, EVER.
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@Oversoul idk, I think DDL and Chenny are town rn though
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:29 am

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Then Heal Chennis

I think town list is Volxen, Chennis at the top followed by DDL and Ele
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:35 am

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In post 108, chennisden wrote:
In post 106, Oversoul wrote:You said that once and I do not believe you especially when you mentioned Gamma Emerald as one of those players.
GE is usually transparently town oversoul so idk what you're talking about?
Oversoul kinda feels like Srarry Night Oversoul rn
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:36 am

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In post 114, Something_Smart wrote:Actually no. The fifth player to be spared will also be confirmed town, so scum can already kill a conftown in pacifist.
How
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:36 am

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Deb free me from this reality
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:38 am

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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:47 am

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In post 177, popsofctown wrote:You're not required to vote the mod to change your vote, even if your vote is transitioning across the two types of votes. You're only required to vote the mod to put yourself in a state where you are not voting anything at all.
Can't you just UNVOTE:
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:48 am

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Oversoul why are you buddying DEB
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:51 am

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I’ll answer that question. For a price
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:55 am

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Watcha want?
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:56 am

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Hurt Chennis

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