Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Persivul]

I can be confirmed by my shot or by your red flip, but keep saying that

Neither green nor red flips confirm you. SK is against both factions.

[Persivul]

What’s weird is you haven’t really denied being scum

That's not weird, that's normal. People generally don't go about saying "I'm town" or "I'm not scum."

[gobbledygook]

Literal scum claim

So they can string me up after I really don’t care. As long as they flip your mafia behind they can do whatever they want with me regardless of whether or not they believe my claim. I will at least have done my job and set them down the right path.

Persivul, is it still called tunneling if a townie does it to a mafia?

[Persivul]

And hell, if they don’t believe it down the road

they can string me but not before you buddy boy

Literal scum claim

So they can string me up after I really don’t care. As long as they flip your mafia behind they can do whatever they want with me regardless of whether or not they believe my claim. I will at least have done my job and set them down the right path.

Persivul, is it still called tunneling if a townie does it to a mafia?

Funny thing is that if you hadn't claimed unnecessarily, you could simply shoot me tonight.

Why did you claim while I was defusing your wagon?

[Chemist1422]

We’re not lynching the vig claim

We make them shoot consensus targets or die, and if they’re scum they’ll be mechanically outed by flips

[Persivul]

We’re not lynching the vig claim

We make them shoot consensus targets or die, and if they’re scum they’ll be mechanically outed by flips

He can be mechanically outed - or cleared - right now, via pgo/venge claims.

[gobbledygook]

1. I thought your unvote was disingenuous after I told Fish to unvote if he was town
2. You never said don’t claim, or anything like that, even after I had said I would be claiming a L-2
3. Your half hearted attempt at defusing by going after Sakura felt forced because you had no problem with it at the time she made it

Anyway off to work. Get me, get Persivul, I don’t really care anymore. This town refuses to work with people and this game has become a chore and frustrating

[Chemist1422]

We’re not lynching the vig claim

We make them shoot consensus targets or die, and if they’re scum they’ll be mechanically outed by flips

He can be mechanically outed - or cleared - right now, via pgo/venge claims.

Or we can do the same without minimizing a PR’s usage by having patience

[Persivul]

Why did you claim, thereby potentially being blocked?

[Sakura Hana]

I actually agree with persivul

I am not PGO or Vengeful

UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

1735 Is a good plan imo.

[Sakura Hana]

Also gob reacting like this when persivul is voting me instead of them, lol.

[Persivul]

Remaining to claim:

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

[James Brafin]

I’m neither. I want sky lynched though (unless I missed a claim somewhere). They’re behaving super opportunistic here and I don’t like it.

[Persivul]

Remaining to claim:

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

[Sakura Hana]

if you look at it this way, scum wont know which of the 2 it is, and probably wont shoot them anyway in fear of the player shooting them back as a PGO.

[Gamma Emerald]

In a past run of C9++ davesaz made a deep run doing this iirc

In C9++, it's easier to do, because a vig can exist by itself.

In this setup, a vig means there must also be a 1X PGO or Vengeful.

We have a simple mechanical solve on gobble that does no harm to us.

These people haven't claimed:
Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Persivul
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

Every one of these should claim whether they are or are not PGO/Vengeful.

If claiming positively, don't specify which one you are.

If no one claims PGO/Vengeful, then gobble is a SK pulling a vig gambit.

If someone does claim PGO/Vengeful, then
- that person and gobble are near conftown, as a 2-scum gambit is very highly unlikely
- scum don't know if the claimant is PGO or vengeful, so they don't know if the person is safe to kill - no harm done.

I am NOT PGO/Vengeful.

Everyone on the list should claim one way or the other, or explain why this plan does more harm than good.

Gamma Emerald
Skygazer
James Braffin
Sakura Hana
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

Not PGO/Vengeful

[Gamma Emerald]

Also gob's reaction was unbelievably shitty

[Persivul]

Remaining to claim:

Skygazer
Rick Dalton
Formerfish

[Sakura Hana]

Also gob's reaction was unbelievably shitty

I agree.

[Skygazer]

im not pgo/vengeful

[Persivul]

Just need to hear from Rick and fish.

[gobbledygook]

I’m SK and I shit Implosion, Scum shot me and i lost my BP. Persivul is scum for going hard at this and not scumhunting else where i think my analysis still checks out for {JB, Fish, Persivul} with outside chance of Drew. I am happy to shoot them dead for town and then get strung myself.

Discuss.

[Persivul]

Persivul is scum for going hard at this and not scumhunting else where

I started the day on Drew. As he continued talking, he seemed townier, so I left his wagon. Then I got on you. When I (incorrectly) determined that you were cop, I left you, and pushed Hana. If you would have left well enough alone, I would have had your back until the real cop/tracker flipped or claimed (and likely still be with you in the case of a claim). Instead, you made a stupid fakeclaim, and I ran it down. I get that you're butthurt over that, but your narrative that I haven't scumhunted elsewhere is demonstrably false.

Why did you claim vig anyway?

VOTE: gobble

[gobbledygook]

Cop/tracker is Gamma by the way